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I dont understand the phone OS world.....

You have to consider that an Iphone specifically has been offering user-centric features earlier than Android did. So it gained some traction especially with people that didn't really know their way about smartphones.
And what user centric features would those be would it be I can't make a phone call because I'm holding the phone wrong or flimsy chassis that bent to easily and broke the phone or could it be the shitty slow USB speeds because Apple seem to think you only need USB2.0 and 480Mbps even though it's now using a USB type C connector unless you pay for the top most tare iPhone or removing the 3.5mm headphone jack because those really weren't great user centric features
 
And what user centric features would those be would it be I can't make a phone call because I'm holding the phone wrong or flimsy chassis that bent to easily and broke the phone or could it be the shitty slow USB speeds because Apple seem to think you only need USB2.0 and 480Mbps even though it's now using a USB type C connector unless you pay for the top most tare iPhone or removing the 3.5mm headphone jack because those really weren't great user centric features
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Then why does everyone copy Apple? Including removal of the headphone jack.

Keep in mind I am a PC user lol.. Apple is not my life, it’s just who made my phone.
 
And what user centric features would those be would it be I can't make a phone call because I'm holding the phone wrong or flimsy chassis that bent to easily and broke the phone or could it be the shitty slow USB speeds because Apple seem to think you only need USB2.0 and 480Mbps even though it's now using a USB type C connector unless you pay for the top most tare iPhone or removing the 3.5mm headphone jack because those really weren't great user centric features

That is a Samsung ISSUE. My SAMSUNG A52s 5g has cost a fortune, more than my mainoard or my cpu. Sluggish USB speed.
3.5"mm 4 contact plug is on my Samsung, but not on many other later released Samsung phones. That is a market thing to remove plugs and to remove SD-Card Slots and to have build in batteries (accumulators).

Other brands barely exists on the android section. Sony? who? Xiaomi? who? Huawaii? who?

I just checked reddit today for my Samsung Smartphone. People just buy the next Samsung A5X phone. You get screwed over and buy the next SXX or AXX class Samsung phone. No OS Support - just buy the next Samsung phone.

Xiaomi and Google Android one did not had any offers ~36 months ago. The other brands do not even sell spare parts ~36 months ago. I repaired a lot of smartphones. The availability of affordable spare parts (samsung is very pricy) also matters. Custom rom support and snapdragon matters. Some weird cpu with questionable "malware" in some brands makes it not easier to buy something else as samsung. Apple is not an option for myself. Before I buy with my own money Apple I'll learn FreeBSD / BSD. I repaired apple notebooks and desktops which were older. I was obliged to use apple smartphones for some time at work.
 
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Other brands barely exists on the android section. Sony? who? Xiaomi? who? Huawaii? who?
What? They are literally the second biggest Android vendor after Samsung.
 
What? They are literally the second biggest Android vendor after Samsung.
Also, just because a brand has a low market share, it doesn't prevent you from buying one. My phone is a Blackview, a brand no one has even heard about, and it's great.
 
That is a Samsung ISSUE. My SAMSUNG A52s 5g has cost a fortune, more than my mainoard or my cpu. Sluggish USB speed.

If you think a Samsung A series handset costs a fortune... I got news for you, lol. It's literally their cheap line. And Xiaomi's the second biggest Android device vendor.

I have a S24 regular with oneui7. Works totally fine for me. Not everyone is living on their phones 24/7.

The Galaxy S24 is still one of the best phones money can buy, though. Comes off as a weird flex, it's just last year's flagship in the standard size. It's kind of like, "hey, I have a RTX 4090, not everyone needs a good GPU" lol
 
If you think a Samsung A series handset costs a fortune... I got news for you, lol. It's literally their cheap line. And Xiaomi's the second biggest Android device vendor.



The Galaxy S24 is still one of the best phones money can buy, though. Comes off as a weird flex, it's just last year's flagship in the standard size. It's kind of like, "hey, I have a RTX 4090, not everyone needs a good GPU" lol
No I don't flex at all. There is no need to do that. Young people do that. I am talking about some things just work for some people and most adults do not spend all there time nonstop on phones. I have a basic small phone that does the job and I have no issues. That is all I am saying. Sometimes, things just work and there is no bitching. My phone works for me and I have no issues that seemingly tons of people do. It just works. Flexing over a cell phone? LOL yeah ok. Why bother? It's a freaking cheap trinket. No thanks. Who flexes in life anyways? Says a lot about the mentality of people who do. LOL. Be proud of working hard. That is something.
 
I used to have a requirement that my phone must be able to unlock its bootloader for me to at least allow me to root it so I could enjoy other 3rd party OSes, those are during early days of Android. Nowadays I just happy with what ever did I use.

My Oppo Reno7 5G has serve for more than 3 years, the screen has been scratched when I use my phone as a light while I'm working on my car at night I accidentally scrape the screen on the floor, the top speaker grille is gone for a few months now, the screen itself also has been separated from its body but already glued it together again (but the proximity sensor is wonky everytime the is call screen is dark till I cover up the sensor with finger :laugh:. Few times I thinking of upgrading but phone nowadays are boring. The only requirement I wanted it to have is 3.5mm jack. Only flagship I saw that still have that is Sony Xperia. I might buy Xperia 5 IV or 1IV, not the latest VI mind you, usually older flagship is cheap and gave 99% of what the new flagship offers.

EDIT: I helped my sister iPhone (can't remember which one, she bought it at around the same time I bought mine about 3-4 years ago) I'm happy that it didn't requires any additional software like iTunes which was mandatory before to transfer files.
 
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Pixel / Google ?

Utterly irrelevant in a global scale due to low geographical availability

No I don't flex at all. There is no need to do that. Young people do that. I am talking about some things just work for some people and most adults do not spend all there time nonstop on phones. I have a basic small phone that does the job and I have no issues. That is all I am saying. Sometimes, things just work and there is no bitching. My phone works for me and I have no issues that seemingly tons of people do. It just works. Flexing over a cell phone? LOL yeah ok. Why bother? It's a freaking cheap trinket. No thanks. Who flexes in life anyways? Says a lot about the mentality of people who do. LOL. Be proud of working hard. That is something.

I know what you meant, it's just that a Galaxy S24 isn't an "ordinary" phone at all. It's a dang good one.
 
Utterly irrelevant in a global scale due to low geographical availability
Sounds kinda like Xiaomi in Canada's odd southern brother state...
 
I wonder how many people have kept their phone land lines. Nowadays everything(TV, phone, internet) is just bundled together through the same cable at overinflated prices. I hear there's still a few outliers using pigeons. The flying shit houses use Bird Feed and Magnetism for their OS.
I'll have to get a cheap cell phone at some point. Its always better have have it & not need it rather than to need it & not have one. :laugh:
 
Then why does everyone copy Apple? Including removal of the headphone jack.

Keep in mind I am a PC user lol.. Apple is not my life, it’s just who made my phone.
As with most things, there's a lot of nuance to the subject :)
And as most often is the case, its all true in some capacity.

Those are getting ripped out.
Really? Why? Its much cheaper leaving the copper in the ground, not to mention redundancy in case of Ze Russians
 
That is a Samsung ISSUE. My SAMSUNG A52s 5g has cost a fortune, more than my mainoard or my cpu. Sluggish USB speed.
No, it's a model specific issue. Given that you thought it was expensive (ie possibly didn't buy it on a whim) I'm surprised that you didn't do any research regarding the USB speed.
My eight year old S8+ did over 600 MB/s seq read, although nothing special in itself.

That is a market thing to remove plugs and to remove SD-Card Slots and to have build in batteries (accumulators).
True, Sony stands out here, they still have both even on the latest models.

Other brands barely exists on the android section. Sony? who? Xiaomi? who? Huawaii? who?
I don't even know that that means, Xiaomi is huge and the only one relevant today of those three, Huawei was huge but is complicated now. Sony is tiny, but their biggest drawback is ridiculously short SW support.

You left out the former BBK brands, which make up the market share right below Apple, Samsung and Xiaomi. So yeah, Huawei and Sony is somewhere below those.

I just checked reddit today for my Samsung Smartphone. People just buy the next Samsung A5X phone. You get screwed over and buy the next SXX or AXX class Samsung phone. No OS Support - just buy the next Samsung phone.
Nothing's stopping anyone from buying a different brand, and the amount of SW support is usually specified in both years and number of Android version upgrades. I don't think low end phones are Samsungs strongest suit anyway.
 
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Really? Why? Its much cheaper leaving the copper in the ground, not to mention redundancy in case of Ze Russians

No it's not, because in a lot of places all over the world those lines are old at this point. Repair/maintain or sell for scrap?
 
No it's not, because in a lot of places all over the world those lines are old at this point. Repair/maintain or sell for scrap?
Its likely going to be one of those decisions much like us selling all of our tanks over here, and now scrambling to find them back when the shit hits the fan.

In a world where they already put the drones on a wire to keep them functional... my god we are stupid.
 
Its likely going to be one of those decisions much like us selling all of our tanks over here, and now scrambling to find them back when the shit hits the fan.

In a world where they already put the drones on a wire to keep them functional... my god we are stupid.

Yeah I was gonna say it's not smart, but here we are. It's like when the swedish government started to sell all our military surplus stuff, and all of our emergency stores (as in foodstuffs, healthcare stuff, fuel) so now we have none of that, and we also didn't want to pay for the ability to mass producing vaccines so now we can't do that either. A power outage that the Iberian peninsula experienced would be much worse over here.
 
Utterly irrelevant in a global scale due to low geographical availability
A lot more brands are available globally than you'd think. :)
Just perhaps not at your country's major retailer.
 
Those are getting ripped out.
I'm sure those old copper wire lines are long gone by now in most areas. I was referring to the cable lines that are jacked in to the house. A lot of people I've spoken to over the past several years have gotten rid of their land lines and just rely on a single cell phone. I absolutely hate the new lines because whenever a line is down, it knocks out all three services(TV, internet, phone). Its just astounding how despite technology's growth, those services have become more fragile. Years ago, electric, cable, and phone services were quite robust, and if the power went out, you could still use the phone. I actually had to invest in a generator because whenever the power goes out here, it could be anywhere from 12 hours to a week before we get it restored. The cable & power companies are just too cheap to do preventative maintenance on their lines and just wait for shit to break. :mad:
 
So here is something that is often done away with "its not possible, it cant be done" but I dont get it...
It's not that it's impossible, it's simply very very very niche and realistically nobody cares about it.... least of all "phone enthusiasts". Ok, maybe 5 or 6 people care about it worldwide, but those are mostly paranoid uber-nerds that want to run freebsd on everything.
You are either very young, or you've missed the whole fun over the past 10-15 years. We already had all that: phones with Ubuntu touch, dual-boot tablets, dual-boot phones, windows on phones and tablets, linux on phones and tablets, android on desktops, etc.etc.etc. The thing is - there is no demand for it, so independent devs simply stopped porting stuff to phones. Heck, I still have an old ASUS Vivotab that runs Debian (I still want to use it as a 3D Printer brain/screen, once I get to rebuilding that monstrosity), but outside that niche use case - it's just collecting dust on top of my server rack.
On modern phones it's a bigger problem, since you have various security features that depend on bootloader being locked and phone not being rooted. The reason why it's like that - is the wild west of early 2010s, when you could easily buy a cheap chinese Android phone with root and enabled USB debugging right out of the box, and you were lucky if it did not come with malware as a bonus. You can flash an alternative firmware and keep root access, but you can't use any banking/payment apps or like in my case - local apps with my digital ID and govt services. Plus most modern phones have things akin to SecureBoot, and even more pain in the ass to get around it.

There's also a case of hardware variability between phones. You may have two phones with identical specs on paper, but in reality each one has its own device tree with its own can of worms. Different captouch IC - no touchscreen for you. Different gyro - no autorotate. Custom proximity sensor (or lack thereof) - screen will be stuck on or off. etc. etc. etc. So, if you are making, let's say, a linux distro or custom Android build for a phone - you are usually making it for a very specific phone model.
Another big problem - lack of drivers and hardware documentation. It's slowly changing, with various ARM chipsets going to laptops and chromebooks, but back in a day an SoC manufacturer may only put up one version of the "open-source" driver that's not really open-source and has many prebuilt binary blobs, and because of that it will only work on one specific Linux kernel. That's the same reason older phones had much smaller update cycle.
Lets take Microsoft OS, Windows, I can install Windows 10 on ANCIENT hardware, like a Core 2 Duo or even a Pentium 4, this is perfectly normal that you can do that.
You can doesn't mean you should. At some point even the most stubborn software companies begin to implement features that may use newer hardware features (as an example - FMA or AVX instructions), and things stop working "smoothly". That's why back in a day I had to give up on my Westmere rig: it was still usable, but some things were orders of magnitude slower than even on the cheapest at the time Core i3-6100.
 
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No, it's a model specific issue. Given that you thought it was expensive (ie possibly didn't buy it on a whim) I'm surprised that you didn't do any research regarding the USB speed.

I accept your opinion.

I did bought several SAMSUNG devices with android. The homepage barely showed any specs for those devices. I talk about hard specs.

I do agree with your statement that I was forced to buy the device. I had limited choices. I did research and I paid more than I wanted. I wanted something in the 200€ range. The xiaomi mi a2 was something around 150€ what i remember with google android one programm. My samsung Smartphone was something around 400€

You should never compare a "nvidia 4090" with a "nvidia 710" graphic card. You did similar with your S8+ Samsung Smartphone comparison regarding usb speed with my currend SAMSUNG A52s 5g smartphone.

I do not like Samsung or pay them any attention. I'm sure that is the high end modell years ago which was 3 or 4 times the usual price.
I bought a medium priced Smartphone. Ignoring those 2000€ smartphone which also already existed.

-- In Europe most smartphones I see advertised are SAMSUNG. Other brands change too often and I barely see them. FAKE Nokia, not the old Nokia, maybe tried it for a short time. It's about samsung or not samsung.

Whoever wrote I should check before for custom rom support:
I bought qualcom snapdragon on purpose. I think there was barely any custom roms available at the time of purchase. The smartphone was over a year on the market.

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Another example and why it is important to talk about it

It was hard to determine before buying if the ROM even works in Austria. ROM = Read only memory, they mean the operating system and the configuration. It was not a 5 minute job to determine that at the point of purchase for myself. I came to the conclusion the device may work to 60%. And Spain gets a the charger wall plug and Austria does not get a charger when buying the device.
Yes it's possible, to order samsung android tablets with shipping fees which work in Austria for a better price.


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When you are able to find all specs, everything in less than 5 minutes, I'm glad. I know in my experience with Samsung devices it's not that easy and clear.
 
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Personal computers, as a platform, are designed with the basic assumption of interoperability. It didn't start as such, but eventually we got to the point where you can expect any hardware to be *ATX, ACPI compliant, to use a standard form of connection (SATA, PCIe, etc), and more importantly: development of operating systems standardise driver development; WDM et al -for example- make drivers (somewhat) OS version independent. Linux is trickier, I think. But the fact that they prefer drivers to be included with the kernel not distributed individually (guess why everyone hates Nvidia?) alleviates the issue somewhat. Not to mention that many hardware can be run with "generic" drivers (USB HID, what Microsoft offers by default with Windows, etc), and you have the ton of work reverse engineering and FOSS alternatives for closed source ones.

Now with Androids (and iOS too, but it's less perceivable because Apple makes nearly everything on it and their software support is relatively generous), it's a different story. Want to compile the latest release on a 7 y.o. device? Tough! Quallcomm does not provide the drivers for its various SoC components anymore, or the camera doesn't, or x doesn't, or y doesn't. Sure, one can pay them to do so (and to compile, test and maintain the OS for a specific model), but who would? The Phones' OEMs? No incentive, and not just because it's more profitable for them, it's also because there is absolutely no demand for this (other than a handful of activists and people who can see the economic/climatologic/societal shitstorm were heading into).

To be honest, notebook PCs would have ended the same way if they didn't start (and still are largely made) as IBM-compatible desktop PCs with batteries attached. See e.g. those Android tablets masquerading as notebooks.
I hate Linux more than Nvidia. There is nothing too HARD to download driver separately then install it, thing is there are should be drivers for the XX OS.

Because Android ecosystem is extremely fragmented, manufacturers have no incentive to maintain their devices (quite contrary - besides, they got your money already) and the OS itself is of exceptionally poor quality. Phone manufacturers have thrown hardware at the problem over the years, but until when is that feasible?

In any case, I have many things to say about Android, not a single one of them is nice. Many people don't like being told negative things about their purchasing decisions and that's the sole reason they get away with it. If Android disappeared overnight it'd only have done the world a service. It happened to Symbian, it can happen to Android too, and I'm all too happy to do my part.



Highly secure and very well maintained for Android phone standards, nothing to complain about. Scamsung gave 3 years to the S10+, and now they claim they will support devices for up to 7 but you only get 3 major Android updates anyway because... you know, an S25 Ultra is a weak device and updating a phone is hard.
well, I'm better with "outdated" OS as long as SOFTWARE I need WORKS, then like iFruit devices - I have "latest and greatest" OS version which LAGS hardly with "not latest" hardware lol.
 
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