MSI's Lower Cost 4K OLED Gaming Monitor is Going Global

[Chomiq]

Yeah and pretty sure it is 4K @120hz, and 1080p @240hz, anyways...

There are multiple 4K 240 Hz OLEDs out there and only few of them are DP 2.1 (and even fewer with UHBR20).

Also, there are no QD-OLEDs with dual mode. Only W-OLED support doubled refresh rate at 1080p.


Case in point:

Same panel, also DP 1.4, fully supports 240 Hz with DSC enabled.

 

[R-T-B]

Ok, I wasn't sure if they had enabled the HDMI 2.1 / DP 1.4 DSC circuitry. Some don't opt for that, especially on hdmi.

Do i care? No! DSC exists and looks FINE. If it was noticible to most people, like upscaling, it would be off by default and the option to turn it off would be obvious.

There are varying grades of DSC. DSC seems fine indeeed for stuff like DP 1.4a doing 4K @ 120hz but doubling that? It's probably going to have noticable artifacts IMO.

 

[Onasi]

Ok, I wasn't sure if they had enabled the HDMI 2.1 DSC circuitry. Several don't opt for that.

Even if they didn’t, it would still have been able to run 4K 240Hz over DP, so not like it matters. I am overall a bit confused by this talking point in the thread.

 

[R-T-B]

Even if they didn’t, it would still have been able to run 4K 240Hz over DP, so not like it matters. I am overall a bit confused by this talking point in the thread.

I kinda am too tbh, its not like I was claiming it couldn't run that, just that some monitor makers configure it that way. I guess this one doesn't? Good if so.

 

[Onasi]

@R-T-B
Yeah, if we believe MSI own spec sheet (in Chinese, but easily readable) it’s 4K 240 on both DP and HDMI, so I suppose no real benefit in a more expensive model unless one really gets a stroke from running DSC for some reason.

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/monitor/cn/MAG-272UP-QD-OLED-X24.pdf

 

[TSiAhmat]

@R-T-B
Yeah, if we believe MSI own spec sheet (in Chinese, but easily readable) it’s 4K 240 on both DP and HDMI, so I suppose no real benefit in a more expensive model unless one really gets a stroke from running DSC for some reason.

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/monitor/cn/MAG-272UP-QD-OLED-X24.pdf

the more expensive model provides more power over usb-c 98W instead of 15W, some people like that feature for charging their laptops (and probably some other uses i don't currently know) but in my case it wouldn't impact the decision in buying a more expensive model.

 

[Onasi]

@TSiAhmat
Sure, it’s a feature, I just don’t see in what world it’s a nearly 450 dollar feature. I would rather buy a cheaper model and a UGreen GAN charger or something and pocket the difference.

 

[TSiAhmat]

@TSiAhmat
Sure, it’s a feature, I just don’t see in what world it’s a nearly 450 dollar feature. I would rather buy a cheaper model and a UGreen GAN charger or something and pocket the difference.

same goes for me. It is good (for us) we get a model that's a lot cheaper for very similar performance.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Wouldn't hurt to translate to a relatable currency.
So, that's $760.

The problem is that it doesn't translate well, since the prices for these kind of things tend to be very different there than in the rest of the world.
The MPG 272URX QD-OLED has an MSRP of 6,999 RMB which is about US$962, i.e. a lot cheaper than in the rest of the world.

Just to clarify: The main differences between this one and the pricier ($1200?) monitor are DP 1.4a -> DP 2.1a, 15W -> 98W charging over USB and KVM support? I have a feeling KVM support is mostly about software/drivers (which they have already made for the other monitor), so in reality we are talking about 2 slightly more expensive chips for DP and USB? And for those 2 chips we are being charged $440??!!?

KVM is about zero drivers. However, without the second USB input and USB hub, you can't use it as a KVM, even if it has multiple display inputs.

Ok, I wasn't sure if they had enabled the HDMI 2.1 / DP 1.4 DSC circuitry. Some don't opt for that, especially on hdmi.


There are varying grades of DSC. DSC seems fine indeeed for stuff like DP 1.4a doing 4K @ 120hz but doubling that? It's probably going to have noticable artifacts IMO.

How so? I do 160 Hz with DSC, no issues at all.

@R-T-B
Yeah, if we believe MSI own spec sheet (in Chinese, but easily readable) it’s 4K 240 on both DP and HDMI, so I suppose no real benefit in a more expensive model unless one really gets a stroke from running DSC for some reason.

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/monitor/cn/MAG-272UP-QD-OLED-X24.pdf

The English datasheet wasn't good enough?

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/monitor/global/MAG-272UP-QD-OLED-X24.pdf

 

[Onasi]

The English datasheet wasn't good enough?
https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/monitor/global/MAG-272UP-QD-OLED-X24.pdf

Hey, blame Google, it was what it gave me when I requested a spec sheet for the model.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Hey, blame Google, it was what it gave me when I requested a spec sheet for the model.

It's on the product page that the news post links to... Just saying...

 

[Onasi]

It's on the product page that the news post links to... Just saying...

I guess if you read the article on the TPU site proper. On the forum copy? No such thing. And I read it via the thread.

 

[nageme]

The problem is that it doesn't translate well, since the prices for these kind of things tend to be very different there than in the rest of the world.

I know different markets have different pricing considerations.
But at least it gives some indication. And people might try to extrapolate.

And after all, the article did mention the local price. So it's just a sort of unit conversion for readability.

The MPG 272URX QD-OLED has an MSRP of 6,999 RMB which is about US$962, i.e. a lot cheaper than in the rest of the world.

BTW, Amazon.com currently sells the MPG272URX for $1000.

 

[arduum]

550$ - not bad!

 

[Rover4444]

It's nice to see OLEDs getting more affordable. It's just funny people keep falling into same trap as always. High resolutions, high refresh rates, no one taking into consideration GPU requirements needed to drive displays at ideal performance. When affordable 4K LCD monitors dropped, everyone rushed for them not realizing hardly any graphic card can run it, especially those owned by normies.

Even currently, it's better to buy a native 1440p OLED that you can drive at 240 framerates to really drive the refresh rate to the max to really experience the speed and responsiveness over "wow how sharp the image is" and game barely runs at 60 fps at which most people have to use such high levels of DLSS/FSR the image looks like poop.

Buy monitors smart to not put all the burden on owning expensive GPU to run it or to be forced to constantly upgrade GPU's because they have problems keeping up with games on high resolution monitors. Coz even 1440p is sometimes hard to drive fast on high end graphic cards, let alone 4K...

If your GPU can't drive your monitor fast enough for games then it means your monitor won't be replaced for the next decade. It's a good thing.

Those people who bought 4k monitors can still use them today and be happy, even as a second monitor. I can't go back to my 1080p 60hz panel.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I know different markets have different pricing considerations.
But at least it gives some indication. And people might try to extrapolate.

And after all, the article did mention the local price. So it's just a sort of unit conversion for readability.

Generally yes, but not when it comes to pricing in xina.

BTW, Amazon.com currently sells the MPG272URX for $1000.

That's not MSRP though, is it?

 

[dyonoctis]

Thanks for giving the focus on the DP connectors and not to the MSI marketing hoax

https://www.msi.com/Monitor/MAG-272UP-QD-OLED-X24/Specification

Pay attention to the up to phrase. up to means = nothing. Seems MSI is another Hoax brand.

Looking for the 1.4a specs is not easy. Not sure if that is the right page but nope: https://www.displayport.org/faq/#tab-general-faqs

It's sad to rely on 3rd party unverified nonsense like wikipedia, although there seems to be displayport homepage.
that hbr3 means the display maybe be able to do 97 or 120Hz @ fake 4k resolution -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort

So sad MSI is another hoax brand. Fancy 240 Hz sticker and a connector which may provide half of the advertised speed.

-- MSI homepage advertises a flaw in the panel. That monitor looks even worse when checking the homepage. It seems that monitor has issue with static images and brightness of certain things. Fancy promoting certain color features but do not provide a calibration certificate for delta smaller 1 from the factory. 3 years warranty is not much.

• Pixel shift.
• Panel Protect
• Taskbar protection -> i doubt this will work for non windows operating systems, who have top and bottom. or left and botton, and so on configuration with customiseable pixel width for the "notifcation" / "taskbar" panel
• You may look there yourself: https://www.msi.com/Monitor/MAG-272UP-QD-OLED-X24

My current Monitor runs for 12 hours non stop - without such fancy software demands.

Just an observation: I feel like you have a tendency to fish for controversy and criticize things that you don't always seem to understand.
Every OLED monitor does that. Because Static content and high brightness are what create OLED burn-in. So, Monitor makers implemented a few tricks to reduce the chance of burn-in. You will have to wait a few more years if you want an OLED screen that doesn't need to do all those things.

But please, for the love of everything sacred, take a bit of your time to learn about those technologies, and why they do the things that they do, before saying that X brand is a hoax for doing what is necessary to protect your screen from early damage.

MSI isn't the only to use "up to" or (max) in their spec sheets. It's because depending on what you use you might not be able to run the monitors at their max specs. Like if you use it with a console, you won't reach those 240hz no matter what. MSI still use "up to" on DP 2.1a screens. DP1.4a can reach 4K 240hz if DSC is being used. If MSI advertise 4k 240hz, that means that DCS is used. What you should be mad about is that unlike Asus or DELL, MSI doesn't precise that DSC is being used on DP.

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For the colors, the screen is advertised to be under delta 2, which is already good for a gamer screen. Just wait for independent reviews. Also worth noting that MSI never had the habit of mentionning when a calibration report is included even they do give you one.

 

[MCJAxolotl7]

Ok, I wasn't sure if they had enabled the HDMI 2.1 / DP 1.4 DSC circuitry. Some don't opt for that, especially on hdmi.


There are varying grades of DSC. DSC seems fine indeeed for stuff like DP 1.4a doing 4K @ 120hz but doubling that? It's probably going to have noticable artifacts IMO.

My monitor (The PG32UCDM) is running 4k@240 through DP 1.4. My card (3080 TI Dell OEM) only has DP 1.4a anyways. I game at 4k native on my indie games, and might use upscaling on Satisfactory, which with UE5 and a large factory, is a suprisingly good GPU/CPU stress test.

 

[nageme]

That's not MSRP though, is it?

Yeah, there's a $1100 price crossed out.
It's at least close enough to the Chinese price that random sales might equalize it.

The current sale price has been in effect for about a week.
Pretty quick to have a sale, considering it's a new product that's been listed for only 2 months or so.

 

[R-T-B]

How so? I do 160 Hz with DSC, no issues at all.

Just what I have heard, never tried it personally. It could be anything from placebo effect to hypersensitive individuals.

My monitor (The PG32UCDM) is running 4k@240 through DP 1.4. My card (3080 TI Dell OEM) only has DP 1.4a anyways. I game at 4k native on my indie games, and might use upscaling on Satisfactory, which with UE5 and a large factory, is a suprisingly good GPU/CPU stress test.

What was your opinion of it? Any noticable artifacts from DSC at all?

Until now I only had one user in my survey of opinions admitedly, lol.

 

[MCJAxolotl7]

Just what I have heard, never tried it personally. It could be anything from placebo effect to hypersensitive individuals.


What was your opinion of it? Any noticable artifacts from DSC at all?

Until now I only had one user in my survey of opinions admitedly, lol.

Literally cannot tell. It's just a way to get the display signal I need.

 

[RejZoR]

If your GPU can't drive your monitor fast enough for games then it means your monitor won't be replaced for the next decade. It's a good thing.

Those people who bought 4k monitors can still use them today and be happy, even as a second monitor. I can't go back to my 1080p 60hz panel.

It doesn't work that way. With your logic, you're not really using its benefits today and in 5 years when you'll finally make an upgrade, new OLEDs will cost less and be way better. So you just spent money on expensive OLED that you didn't made any good use of and it'll be obsolete by the time you can. It's better to just keep that LCD you already have then.

 

[R-T-B]

Literally cannot tell. It's just a way to get the display signal I need.

That's generally what we like to hear.

 

[Rover4444]

It doesn't work that way. With your logic, you're not really using its benefits today and in 5 years when you'll finally make an upgrade, new OLEDs will cost less and be way better. So you just spent money on expensive OLED that you didn't made any good use of and it'll be obsolete by the time you can. It's better to just keep that LCD you already have then.

But it does work that way. In older games that aren't as demanding you can use them to their full capability and the only thing keeping current games from being old ones is time. 4K isn't going obsolete in five years, it's just going to get more affordable, and that's a good thing.

Nobody who has purchased an LG C1 or an M28U are going "Man, this monitor sucks ass now. I pushed it to it's limits but I can do more with my hardware." And if you really want to play at 1080p 4K monitors aren't stopping you, most scale losslessly just change the settings.

 

[JustBenching]

It's nice to see OLEDs getting more affordable. It's just funny people keep falling into same trap as always. High resolutions, high refresh rates, no one taking into consideration GPU requirements needed to drive displays at ideal performance. When affordable 4K LCD monitors dropped, everyone rushed for them not realizing hardly any graphic card can run it, especially those owned by normies.

Even currently, it's better to buy a native 1440p OLED that you can drive at 240 framerates to really drive the refresh rate to the max to really experience the speed and responsiveness over "wow how sharp the image is" and game barely runs at 60 fps at which most people have to use such high levels of DLSS/FSR the image looks like poop.

Buy monitors smart to not put all the burden on owning expensive GPU to run it or to be forced to constantly upgrade GPU's because they have problems keeping up with games on high resolution monitors. Coz even 1440p is sometimes hard to drive fast on high end graphic cards, let alone 4K...

4k dlss Q looks vastly better than 1440p native while having almost identical performance. So no reason to get a 1440p monitor instead of a 4k regardless of your GPU.