Intel Cuts MSRP of "Arrow Lake" Core Ultra 200S Processors by $100

[LittleBro]

Zen 6 is what I'm holding on for it's got the potential to be a cracking chip. I'm hoping for a 24 core all x3d cache 10950x3d but probably zero chance but even a 12 core 10800x3d with new memory controller would be fantastic. Memory controller upgrade is key though as it's holding the chips back.

Don't expect 24-core CPU with 3D cache on both chiplets.
You can expect at least 25-30% more regular L3 cache with Zen 6 CCDs with 12-cores. Add 64/96 MB L3 cache on top of that. That's more than enough.

 

[sudothelinuxwizard]

Only for 265K/KF. And this was already happening gradually. All others are unchanged. Get the 225F down to 99 and cheap ITX out already

Considering the 225F's performance and that it's manufactured on an extremely expensive 3nm node that ain't happening

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

It's actually insane. 20 cores - 284$, holy cow.

Yeah, and 6 of them are worth it! LOL

What would be the point? You'll overspend now to get a cpu as fast as the 265k, and then you'll overspend again within a year to get the new zen 6 - which you have no idea how it will perform anyways. You are just gambling at this point.

Just save that money and replace your motherboard when you see fit.

Just checked the prices, 320 for 265k, 460 for a 9900x...you are paying through the nose for that upgradability

Agreed, upgrading is pretty pointless unless you go AM4, going from a 1700 to a 5800x3d would be worth it, if it wern't for the motherboard incompatibilities and having to scream at AMD to get AGESA code. Even then, it wasnt cost effective, you wind up spending more than if you'd just gone with a 9700k in the first place.

But how often does that happen? Ryzen on AM4 was laying catch up, now that its got the low hanging fruit we're stuck with zen5%. And modern CPUs easily last a decade now.

 

[Onasi]

Yeah, and 6 of them are worth it! LOL

Depends. For workloads that benefit from more cores it’s literally a 9900X for a bit more than half the price. An absolute bargain.

 

[JustBenching]

Yeah, and 6 of them are worth it! LOL

Meaning?

 

[neatfeatguy]

I honestly forgot about Intel's offerings. Not simply because I'm not looking to upgrade myself, but because when I see people posting on forums and asking about CPU suggestions it's always been AMD as of the past 6+ months. I don't think any price drop at this point in time is going to make a difference in the long run.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Meaning?

Its a core count joke.

 

[Broken Processor]

Don't expect 24-core CPU with 3D cache on both chiplets.
You can expect at least 25-30% more regular L3 cache with Zen 6 CCDs with 12-cores. Add 64/96 MB L3 cache on top of that. That's more than enough.

I still remain hopeful that AMD see's the light and supply all x3d flagship part. And also wouldn't hurt to get two full x16 pcie but I think they are afraid of hurting threadripper.

 

[tien113]

Zero upgrade path does count.

we don't upgrade cpu every year.

 

[LittleBro]

AMD said they already tested multiple CCD 3D cache variant and compared to single CCD 3D variant, performance difference was negligible.
I think we will get into reasonable L3 cache territory (48+96 MB). More L3 cache is always better, but sometimes more L1 and L2 cache can be of much higher benefit.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Arrow lake i7 has been priced at $299 at microcenter since it's inception. 7800x3d is still $380 and 9800x3d currently not in stock. 5080 is $1300 easy.
I really hope Intel can bring something to the table in the next few years because otherwise Lisa and Jensen are going to squeeze everyone dry. Paying over $500 for an 8 core cpu is just unacceptable.

 

[Woomack]

Intel actually lowered prices a week ago and this promo is available since 29th of April, just announced today. What's more, it activated on my CPU purchased some months ago. What's the only issue is that the suggested promo software is different from what you actually get and there is no info in the promo terms about what games you get with which CPU (if there is even any difference, as I can't check that).
This is how it looks for the 265K. Those who think that will get Civilization VII or Dying Light The Beast as the promo page suggests will be disappointed.

 

[Raffles]

There is 0 upgrade path confirmed on every platform, no? Plus who the hell is going to upgrade this next year. Intel cpus are so cheap and amds so expensive that you are effectively saving money for a new mobo when you decide to upgrade

Agreed, I've never understood this point of view. I'm not sure I've ever upgraded to a new CPU without buying a new mobo/RAM too.

Are people upgrading their CPUs every year or something? Then you have an old CPU just hanging around with no mobo

 

[_roman_]

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one of the free software i also had ages ago in my gnu gentoo linux

Why would they give away open source software? o.o

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Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Vmin Shift Instabilty Update - New Microcode Update (0x12F)

As part of its effort to continually improve its products, Intel is releasing a new microcode update (0x12F) supplementing the 0x12B microcode update released in September 2024. This new microcode further improves system conditions that can potentially contribute to Vmin Shift Instability on...

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link taken from: https://www.computerbase.de/news/pr...erden-mit-microcode-0x12f-ausgeliefert.92517/

 

[blinnbanir]

Agreed, I've never understood this point of view. I'm not sure I've ever upgraded to a new CPU without buying a new mobo/RAM too.

Are people upgrading their CPUs every year or something? Then you have an old CPU just hanging around with no mobo

You know you can sell CPUs? I sold my 5800X3D to pay for my 7900X3D. Then I sold my X670E to help pay for my X870E. With AM5 X670E is just fine but I wanted specific features.

 

[_roman_]

Swaping a cpu a few years later and to get maybe 30€ for the old processor is sometimes better as to buy new mainboard, new processor, new dram, new case, new power supply unit and new graphic card.
Sometimes you do not even need to reinstall your operating system. Sometimes you do not even need to move your data. windows sometimes has such issues because of ... ... ... ... ...

 

[Raffles]

You know you can sell CPUs? I sold my 5800X3D to pay for my 7900X3D. Then I sold my X670E to help pay for my X870E. With AM5 X670E is just fine but I wanted specific features.

Fair enough, I assumed that had to be one use case. I've never sold a CPU. For the price you'd get for a used CPU, I'd rather keep it and use it for a spare workstation, or games machine in the living room etc.

The example you gave still doesn't really make sense though, as you still had to buy a new AM5 motherboard So yes you could sell your CPU, but the whole "upgrade path" was not even relevant.

 

[zzd911]

Motherboard still expansive

 

[holyprof]

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one of the free software i also had ages ago in my gnu gentoo linux

Why would they give away open source software? o.o

I guess it's the very useful OPENVINO Intel AI library which is open source, but only has hardware acceleration on Intel AI CPU/GPU. It runs OK on my Ryzen 3700X + RTX2080Ti, but it's quite slow.
https://www.audacityteam.org/download/openvino/
The effects are like real magic. Anyone that edits audio should try them.