Microsoft Forces Automatic Windows 11 24H2 Update on Pro and Home PCs

[Onasi]

Sadly, yeah it does. Pathetic isn't it?

Amidst counting their money, and thinking how to make more, Microsoft has forgotten that an operating system has one job: to run programs. Less is more. That's where Linux comes in.

What’s funny to me is that you look at the LTSC IoT edition and it’s just… an OS. It comes barebones, it works well, the defaults are fine, there’s no bloat. Windows 11 itself, at its core, is a perfectly competent OS that isn’t any worse than the hailed GOATs like XP and 7. It’s just that, for reasons of sheer stupid stubbornness started by the “we wanna be Apple too” phase of MS they stringently refuse to actually sell it directly to normal consumers. I think me and @lexluthermiester had already talked about this ages ago in the Win 11 thread, but just selling a license (even not upgradable to the next OS, if that’s a concern) of said LTSC as a Windows 11 Expert or whatever would do wonders for enthusiasts. But no.

 

[AusWolf]

What’s funny to me is that you look at the LTSC IoT edition and it’s just… an OS. It comes barebones, it works well, the defaults are fine, there’s no bloat. Windows 11 itself, at its core, is a perfectly competent OS that isn’t any worse than the hailed GOATs like XP and 7. It’s just that, for reasons of sheer stupid stubbornness started by the “we wanna be Apple too” phase of MS they stringently refuse to actually sell it directly to normal consumers. I think me and @lexluthermiester had already talked about this ages ago in the Win 11 thread, but just selling a license (even not upgradable to the next OS, if that’s a concern) of said LTSC as a Windows 11 Expert or whatever would do wonders for enthusiasts. But no.

I don't think anyone doubts that Windows can do the job. But like you said, the problem is that commercial versions do many other things than just "the job", which contributes to a horrible user experience, imo.

 

[mechtech]

Wife's laptop has been choking on this since day 1, I think its the partition size error, and I am not editing any partitions so have a nice day MS.

No there isn't. I've been using it and debloating since the early beta days in May 2021. It's got a few challenges, but so did 10(still does). For those willing to make the effort to debloat and customize, Windows 11 is delightful, and this is coming from a Windows 7 diehard.

You have to put the right kind of effort in, just like with Windows 10. IMPO, Windows 11 is a solid improvement over 10. I would sooner, and easily, go back to Windows 7 then to go back to 10.


On mobile, Linux is the present(Android is Linux). On desktop? Maybe. People have been saying that for decades and yet here we are..

Keywords.

If you were using a bone stock MS default unaltered in anyway W11 Home, would you still agree? My wife's laptop won't update due to partition error, and I'm not editing any partitions. For the amount of time, money, resources, experience MS has I would have to say there are many issues with default W11 home. Maybe not broken, but issues, that there shouldn't be.

Amidst counting their money, and thinking how to make more, Microsoft has forgotten that an operating system has one job: to run programs. Less is more. That's where Linux comes in.

well two, ensure it works excellently with a plethora of different hardware as well and that all the hardware works as intended.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If you were using a bone stock MS default unaltered in anyway W11 Home, would you still agree?

No. I would not. It is one thing to say the Win11 is a royal PITA in it's stock-from-microsoft config. It's completely another to say it is trash altogether. When properly debloated and configured, Windows 11 is delightful.

 

[mechtech]

No. I would not. It one thing to say the Win11 is a royal PITA in it's stock-from-microsoft config. It's completely another to say it a trash altogether. When properly debloated and configured, Windows 11 is delightful.

That's fair. Let me know when you put up a W11 tweaking guide in the forums.

I'm going to need it around October

 

[Baru68]

Maybe that was a TPM or SecureBoot thing? If you use Rufus to create your Win11 install drive, you can apply bypasses. That requires a fresh install but will be worth it.

Yup! I had to update my bios, enable "secure *something*", then also had to remove my m.2 SSD because it had a master boot partition on it from the pc I pulled it from and oddly at about 79% install saying "Rebooting" a windows popped up saying "Windows 11 install has failed". Luckily I read on a microsoft forum and another bloke mentioned having to remove his m.2. So what a little bit of a chore, but looking forward to more stable 1% lows in games. At least that's what I've seen from DX12 vs DX11 comparisons. Thanks for correcting me mate!

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's fair. Let me know when you put up a W11 tweaking guide in the forums.

I'm going to need it around October

The problem with a guide is that microsoft is constantly moving the goal posts. So when you're getting close to needing a custom ISO, chime in over in the Win11 general discussion thread with what you want and don't want and I'll help you get there.

Yup! I had to update my bios, enable "secure *something*", then also had to remove my m.2 SSD because it had a master boot partition on it from the pc I pulled it from and oddly at about 79% install saying "Rebooting" a windows popped up saying "Windows 11 install has failed". Luckily I read on a microsoft forum and another bloke mentioned having to remove his m.2. So what a little bit of a chore, but looking forward to more stable 1% lows in games. At least that's what I've seen from DX12 vs DX11 comparisons. Thanks for correcting me mate!

No worries! Glad you got it sorted!

FYI; The following is the thread in question. A lot of people beside myself often help out with questions and tips.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/windows-11-general-discussion.284164/
Feel free to come join us.

 

[AusWolf]

No. I would not. It is one thing to say the Win11 is a royal PITA in it's stock-from-microsoft config. It's completely another to say it is trash altogether. When properly debloated and configured, Windows 11 is delightful.

The problem is, there are other OSes that are perfectly fine in their stock form - and are completely free, too. The only reason anyone should have Windows these days is if they rely on a specific Windows-only software for work.

 

[DaemonForce]

microsoft is constantly moving the goal posts. So when you're getting close to needing a custom ISO, chime in over in the Win11 general discussion thread

To what, turn it into a revolving door code snip dump like the 911CD days?
These people aren't building WinPE, though that's a really good idea right now.
If I've learned anything from putting Bart in the hole, people can't deal with this.
What they need are tools to deploy Windows like I do: image ROM + answer file.

If people aren't able to build a basic bootrom, they're not going to know this either.

 

[AusWolf]

A rhetorical question: If you have a nicely unbloated W11 on your system, how long will it take for Microsoft to turn it back into the bloated spying mess they want it to be through updates? It seems like a pointless windmill fight to me.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The problem is, there are other OSes that are perfectly fine in their stock form - and are completely free, too.

Agreed, but they're not Windows and as such are unsuitable as a main OS or daily driver. I'm stuck in the Windows ecosystem and I'm far from alone. So the answer is, customize and debloat. That's been the answer since the release of XP..

If you have a nicely unbloated W11 on your system, how long will it take for Microsoft to turn it back into the bloated spying mess they want it to be through updates?

If you manually manage your updates, never. I don't have the problem you just described because I manually manage my updates. Most people don't and it requires a unique brand of vigilance.

 

[AusWolf]

Agreed, but they're not Windows and as such are unsuitable as a main OS or daily driver.

Why? I've been daily driving Bazzite for half a year now with no intention of looking back. My experience is so much better than it ever was on Windows 10. I used to swear by Windows, but I've completely turned.

I'm stuck in the Windows ecosystem and I'm far from alone.

Again, why?

I'm not trying to pick apart your argument - I'm just trying to understand, as the "I'm stuck" kind of mentality is completely alien to me. If there is a will, there is a way, especially with Wine and Proton.
Unless you need Windows for a work-related Windows-only app, which I understand.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why? I've been daily driving Bazzite for half a year now with no intention of looking back. My experience is so much better than it ever was on Windows 10. I used to swear by Windows, but I've completely turned.

And that is excellent! I would suggest that everyone give that kind of thing a go if it'll work for them. I'm not in that position. Trust me, if I could, I would switch to Mint in a heart-beat and never look back.

Again, why?

I'm not explaining that as any such explanation would result in a problem I'm not going to create for myself. It's my business and no one else's, I need not explain it. It doesn't matter why either. The fact is that I am and thus I do what I do.

I'm not trying to pick apart your argument - I'm just trying to understand

Totally get that, no worries.

as the "I'm stuck" kind of mentality is completely alien to me.

Welcome to the reality a lot of people face.

If there is a will, there is a way, especially with Wine and Proton.

That presumes it's all about gaming, it's not. Though that is a factor. Many of the games I like to play don't run well or at all on Linux regardless of config. Have tried, no bueno.

Unless you need Windows for a work-related Windows-only app, which I understand.

That is part of it, but no all of it.

 

[AusWolf]

And that is excellent! I would suggest that everyone give that kind of thing a go if it'll work for them. I'm not in that position. Trust me, if I could, I would switch to Mint in a heart-beat and never look back.

Mint is a nice all-around system, but there might be cases when another one is better. Bazzite handles my hardware and games much better, for example (although I love Mint, too).

I'm not explaining that as any such explanation would result in a problem I'm not going to create for myself. It's my business and no one else's, I need not explain it. It doesn't matter why either. The fact is that I am and thus I do what I do.

Well, I'm flabbergasted. Since you told us that you're stuck, I thought you'd be equally happy to share why. You're not helping me understand your reasoning here.

Welcome to the reality a lot of people face.

As the good old Qui-Gon Jinn said, "your focus determines your reality". Whether your focus is trying your best to make things work, or making excuses is your choice.

That presumes it's all about gaming, it's not. Though that is a factor. Many of the games I like to play don't run well or at all on Linux regardless of config. Have tried, no bueno.

When did you try the last time? Linux has come a long way with games in recent years, mostly thanks to Valve being heavily invested in it.

If you have other reasons (like work-related programs), that's understandable.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You're not helping me understand your reasoning here.

To help you understand I would need to explain something I'm not willing to disclose. This is just the way it is.

When did you try the last time? Linux has come a long way with games in recent years, mostly thanks to Valve being heavily invested in it.

A few months ago when it was discussed elsewhere in the forum, I actually recommended it to someone after trying it out myself. I totally agree with you, Bazzite is most excellent!

However, we're meandering from topic just a bit here..

 

[otieze]

Are you assuming what people do with their computers? You say that like people who use Windows, use it exclusively

no I ain't, I re-read the post 4 times and I see no signs of what you said, can't figure out how you made that interpretation.

 

[Baru68]

The problem is, there are other OSes that are perfectly fine in their stock form - and are completely free, too. The only reason anyone should have Windows these days is if they rely on a specific Windows-only software for work.

I gotta say my win11 install is quite smooth. Fortnite now running in DX12 is definitely a smoother experience. Granted the new OS install could contribute to that, but I'm happy with the reduction of jitters and higher min FPS. Haven't tested other games yet. Also, DX12 fortnite is so much prettier, the lighting in particular over DX11. The chests glow better and standout more from far away.

 

[AusWolf]

I gotta say my win11 install is quite smooth. Fortnite now running in DX12 is definitely a smoother experience. Granted the new OS install could contribute to that, but I'm happy with the reduction of jitters and higher min FPS. Haven't tested other games yet. Also, DX12 fortnite is so much prettier, the lighting in particular over DX11. The chests glow better and standout more from far away.

I never said that Windows can't run games - it would be quite a debacle if that was the case.

What I said is that Windows does many other things that I'd rather it didn't. I'm not paying for an OS to tell me what to do (install updates, upgrade to 11, run Defender, set up backup, check out new features, etc.).

Bazzite also runs my games, and doesn't bother me with any of that crap, nor does it run things in the background without my permission.

 

[DaemonForce]

Win11 is now jumpscaring my favorite streamers with game ads while working.
In the middle of working in Godot, little guy gets spooked by this:

He has since turned off all notifications for Suggested content but we know that won't be the end of it.
How long will it be before he notices these clicks become a mundane useless uphill battle?

Why is it unacceptable for creators to stay on a time tested and "safe" build of Win10?
The only argument is a ticking support timebomb slated for October 14.

Why herd everyone into Win11 slop when they need their shit to WORK oob and NOT LIVE DOX them?
I am 3000% convinced that Microsoft is out to cost everyone MONEY. They are being malicious with Windows IP.
I hope Proton or something soon bridges the gap between my VR hardware and linux because this is unacceptable.
Otherwise if I ever start steady scheduled streams from a Windows box, it will have to be some old Windows Server.

 

[LittleBro]

If you manually manage your updates, never. I don't have the problem you just described because I manually manage my updates. Most people don't and it requires a unique brand of vigilance.

How do you manually manage updates since Win8? They removed options for users to choose which updates will be installed.
In Win8+ you can choose to install optional updates only. Do you use showhidetool?

 

[lexluthermiester]

How do you manually manage updates since Win8?

Same as always, the update catalog. This is how many system admins apply updates.

They removed options for users to choose which updates will be installed.

No they didn't, you just have to know how to get around it.

Do you use showhidetool?

Nope.

 

[mechtech]

Win11 is now jumpscaring my favorite streamers with game ads while working.
In the middle of working in Godot, little guy gets spooked by this:
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He has since turned off all notifications for Suggested content but we know that won't be the end of it.
How long will it be before he notices these clicks become a mundane useless uphill battle?
View attachment 399376

Why is it unacceptable for creators to stay on a time tested and "safe" build of Win10?
The only argument is a ticking support timebomb slated for October 14.

Why herd everyone into Win11 slop when they need their shit to WORK oob and NOT LIVE DOX them?
I am 3000% convinced that Microsoft is out to cost everyone MONEY. They are being malicious with Windows IP.
I hope Proton or something soon bridges the gap between my VR hardware and linux because this is unacceptable.
Otherwise if I ever start steady scheduled streams from a Windows box, it will have to be some old Windows Server.

I'm getting those in W10 pro as well.............