XFX & Acer Radeon RX 9060 XT Graphics Cards Leaked by Retailers - Starting at "$450"

[JustBenching]

Yes and no.

I was one of those people waiting on a 4070 Ti Super (at the time easily the best mid-range 16GB card with good RT and upscaling). Problem is it never dropped in price.

By the time the 9070 cards released, waiting on the 4070 Ti Super to become cheaper no longer made any sense. Especially with no new models available so I'd have to buy used for the same price I can buy a new 9070.

If I go to ebay right now, I still can't get a used 4070 Ti Super at a cheaper price than I can get a new 9070. These cards have the exact same raw perf and aren't so different in RT and upscaling (not to the degree that would justify paying the NVIDA premium). There's just no reason to buy the 4070 Ti Super unless you plan on using cuda for AI work.
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That chart isn't indicative, check the actual reviews. The 9070xt is 5% faster than the 4070ti s in raster and 5% slower in rt. So pretty much identical cards. For sure you could buy a 4070ti S for the price of the 9070xt.

AMD actually not good value for money.

Fake MSRP: AMD's Radeon 9070 XT $600 Launch Price Was a Fantasy

Two months after launch, the Radeon RX 9070 XT is still nowhere near its advertised $600 price. With global supply stabilizing, it's time to examine the real...

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So tldr, everyone was blaming nvidia for "fake msrp" but in reality their cards are well below that while amd cards are way above that. Ngreedia

 

[blinnbanir]

I am confused.Is Amazon.com. AMD? Why are we blaming AMD for what Amazon is charging?

 

[Hecate91]

I am confused.Is Amazon.com. AMD? Why are we blaming AMD for what Amazon is charging?

Rage bait articles only criticizing AMD, as usual.

 

[JustBenching]

I am confused.Is Amazon.com. AMD? Why are we blaming AMD for what Amazon is charging?

For the same reason everyone was blaming nvidia for the price retailers were charging.

 

[Hecate91]

Nah it doesn't. Lots of people bought 9070xt which is basically a 4070ti super a year later. They bought it just because it's amd, else they would have bought a 4070ti s last year.

People bought the 9070XT because it's basically the same as a 5070Ti, but cheaper, at launch it was $200 less for those who could grab one for MSRP.

AMD sells the brand. Nvidia sells the "it just works", that's why net Cafes, prebuilts etc are using it. They don't want to deal with the increased costs of support for silly driver situations. Yes you'll keep going about the 5xxx drivers, but a single bad launch doesn't change the overall picture.

You have that backwards, Nvidia sells the brand, they will always sell based on brand recognition. The net cafes, and SI's are likely getting special deals from Nvidia to buy cards in bulk.
Nvidia is having plenty of those silly driver situations, black screens, crashing, cards bricking, breaking temp sensors. Not even including other issues like missing ROPs, and melting connectors.

That chart isn't indicative, check the actual reviews. The 9070xt is 5% faster than the 4070ti s in raster and 5% slower in rt. So pretty much identical cards. For sure you could buy a 4070ti S for the price of the 9070xt.

The 9070XT is only 5-6% slower overall than the 5070Ti. I don't understand why anyone would want to buy a last gen card when they could have gotten a 9070XT for $200 less than the price of a 4070Ti Super.

 

[blinnbanir]

For the same reason everyone was blaming nvidia for the price retailers were charging.

Yes but Nvidia has their own Founders Edition.

 

[JustBenching]

People bought the 9070XT because it's basically the same as a 5070Ti, but cheaper, at launch it was $200 less for those who could grab one for MSRP.

The 4070ti s is only 5% slower (in raster, and faster in RT), came a year earlier and had the same price as the 9070xt. I don't know why anyone wanted to wait to buy an identical product if not brand. Check pricehistory in pcpartpicker, the 70ti S was going for 809 - 829$ last year, actually cheaper than the current 9070xt price, lol.

You have that backwards, Nvidia sells the brand, they will always sell based on brand recognition. The net cafes, and SI's are likely getting special deals from Nvidia to buy cards in bulk.
Nvidia is having plenty of those silly driver situations, black screens, crashing, cards bricking, breaking temp sensors. Not even including other issues like missing ROPs, and melting connectors.

No, amd sells the brand. A lot of people just don't want to buy an nvidia card, which isn't the case with amd. People buying nvidia just want the fastest, people buying amd just don't want nvidia.

 

[Hecate91]

The 4070ti s is only 5% slower (in raster, and faster in RT), came a year earlier and had the same price as the 9070xt. I don't know why anyone wanted to wait to buy an identical product if not brand. Check pricehistory in pcpartpicker, the 70ti S was going for 809 - 829$ last year, actually cheaper than the current 9070xt price, lol.

Citing last years prices for the 4070Ti Super, but current prices for the 9070XT, double standards much?

No, amd sells the brand. A lot of people just don't want to buy an nvidia card, which isn't the case with amd. People buying nvidia just want the fastest, people buying amd just don't want nvidia.

How does AMD sell based on the brand? It's weird how you insist people blindly buy AMD, but Nvidia is the company with nearly 90% market share. A majority of consumers, average people only know what Nvidia is continue to buy Nvidia because of the brand recognition. Those who decide to buy an AMD card are enthusiasts who do their own research and decide what they want or need from a GPU upgrade.

 

[JustBenching]

Citing last years prices for the 4070Ti Super, but current prices for the 9070XT, double standards much?

Uhm, what? Yes, that's the point, you could buy a similar card LAST year for cheaper. So the only reason not to do that and get a 9070xt instead this year was not wanting to buy NVIDIA. Which is fine, thank god we have choices. Choices are good.

How does AMD sell based on the brand?

Simple, there is a group of people that don't want to buy nvidia - no freaking matter what - for ideological reasons whatever that means. So they have to buy amd.

It's weird how you insist people blindly buy AMD, but Nvidia is the company with nearly 90% market share. A majority of consumers, average people only know what Nvidia is continue to buy Nvidia because of the brand recognition. Those who decide to buy an AMD card are enthusiasts who do their own research and decide what they want or need from a GPU upgrade.

I did not say people blindly buy amd. I said they buy amd cause they dont like nvidia. Hence the repeated "ngreedia this and that" posts all around every forum. Yes, normal people don't love or hate companies like forum lurkers, so they buy what's best, hence the 90% marketshare.

 

[Red Hood]

They won't sell well at those absurd prices

People buying nvidia just want the fastest

So people buying nvidia only buy the flagship cards?

 

[JustBenching]

So people buying nvidia only buy the flagship cards?

The best - they can afford. Sorry, I thought it's obvious people can't buy things they can't afford.

 

[Hecate91]

Uhm, what? Yes, that's the point, you could buy a similar card LAST year for cheaper. So the only reason not to do that and get a 9070xt instead this year was not wanting to buy NVIDIA. Which is fine, thank god we have choices. Choices are good.

Yeah and you could've gotten a 9070XT for less months ago, but those are past prices, the 4070Ti Super got discontinued, and the 9070XT is constantly selling out especially when it sells for closer to it's MSRP.
Choices are there, you don't have to buy from Nvidia no matter what.

Simple, there is a group of people that don't want to buy nvidia - no freaking matter what - for ideological reasons whatever that means. So they have to buy amd.

The irony is you're saying people have to buy from Nvidia no matter what because someone could've bought an Nvidia card a year ago.
And maybe people didn't want to pay $800 for a mid range GPU, so a lot of people waited and bought a 9070XT for less.

I did not say people blindly buy amd. I said they buy amd cause they dont like nvidia. Hence the repeated "ngreedia this and that" posts all around every forum. Yes, normal people don't love or hate companies like forum lurkers, so they buy what's best, hence the 90% marketshare.

I bought Nvidia cards for years, they've gotten too greedy, and no I don't like them as a company.
Normal people will buy the more advertised brand, the brand all of the influencers push as being better because it has DLSS. Also no company gets to having 90% marketshare by playing fairly, Nvidia got there by sponsoring games, dev studios, and the media while convincing the average buyer they don't have any other choice for playing games on PC.

 

[JustBenching]

Yeah and you could've gotten a 9070XT for less months ago, but those are past prices, the 4070Ti Super got discontinued, and the 9070XT is constantly selling out especially when it sells for closer to it's MSRP.
Choices are there, you don't have to buy from Nvidia no matter what.

The irony is you're saying people have to buy from Nvidia no matter what because someone could've bought an Nvidia card a year ago.
And maybe people didn't want to pay $800 for a mid range GPU, so a lot of people waited and bought a 9070XT for less.

I bought Nvidia cards for years, they've gotten too greedy, and no I don't like them as a company.
Normal people will buy the more advertised brand, the brand all of the influencers push as being better because it has DLSS. Also no company gets to having 90% marketshare by playing fairly, Nvidia got there by sponsoring games, dev studios, and the media while convincing the average buyer they don't have any other choice for playing games on PC.

Bullcrap, nvidia got here by consistently having better cards year after year after year. It's been at least a decade (2015!) - cause I don't really remember what was going on beforehand - that amd has been dropping the ball. During the whole pascal generation amds fastest card was..the rx480. Then vega came a year too late - super underwhelming (no where near the 1080ti) and super expensive (the only way you could get one with decent pricing was to buy those GPU + Mointor offers). Then we got the Radeon VII, lol. Then again, for the next year and a half the fastest card amd had was the 5700xt.

But yeah, for sure, nvidia got to 90% by sponsoring games. And yet in reality, the most popular AAA games are amd sponsored. Take a look and then tell me about the nvidia sponsoring games part

https://www.amd.com/en/gaming/featured-games.html

And anyways you made my point for me, you are not buying nvidia because you don't like them as a company. That's exactly what I was saying

 

[Red Hood]

The best - they can afford. Sorry, I thought it's obvious people can't buy things they can't afford.

People buying nvidia just want the fastest

Sorry I figured it was obvious people read the stuff they type before they post it

 

[Hecate91]

Bullcrap, nvidia got here by consistently having better cards year after year after year. It's been at least a decade (2015!) - cause I don't really remember what was going on beforehand - that amd has been dropping the ball. During the whole pascal generation amds fastest card was..the rx480. Then vega came a year too late - super underwhelming (no where near the 1080ti) and super expensive (the only way you could get one with decent pricing was to buy those GPU + Mointor offers). Then we got the Radeon VII, lol. Then again, for the next year and a half the fastest card amd had was the 5700xt.

But yeah, for sure, nvidia got to 90% by sponsoring games. And yet in reality, the most popular AAA games are amd sponsored. Take a look and then tell me about the nvidia sponsoring games part

https://www.amd.com/en/gaming/featured-games.html

So you're insisting people only buying Nvidia always buy the flagship card.
As for sponsored games, most AAA titles out there are Nvidia sponsored, and there has to be over 1,000 games which have DLSS.

 

[JustBenching]

So you're insisting people only buying Nvidia always buy the flagship card.
As for sponsored games, most AAA titles out there are Nvidia sponsored, and there has to be over 1,000 games which have DLSS.

Sure bud, 5 out of 27 amd sponsored games have DLSS (all are sony's ports!!), 21 out of 25 nvidia games have FSR. Ngreedia paying devs to implement FSR I guess. They are even running the upgraded FSR 2 compared to amd's own games that are still on FSR1 mostly!!!

 

[NSR]

That chart isn't indicative, check the actual reviews. The 9070xt is 5% faster than the 4070ti s in raster and 5% slower in rt. So pretty much identical cards. For sure you could buy a 4070ti S for the price of the 9070xt.

Not brand new, it's discontinued and remaining stock is overpriced. The 9070 filled the gap and at a cheaper price. Like I said, I wanted a 4070 Ti Super, it was just too expensive so I was waiting for it to drop. The 9070 gave the same product at a much better price which made it an instant buy for me.

If you really want to make a case to buy the 4070 Ti Super here, talk about AI. It's not convincing in gaming alone as a used card that's still more expensive than a 9070. Prices differ per region so this may not map to your local pricing.

Cheapest Buy Now 4070 Ti Super on Ebay UK and it's from an OEM machine. Comes with no box or cables and future support can basically be dismissed. The branded used cards are either more expensive or on bids.

Cheapest Brand New 9070 and 9070 XT

9070: £580 - 20% VAT = £465 = 620$ (55$ above MSRP)
9070 XT: £660 - 20% VAT = £528 = 700$ (100$ above MSRP)

Even accounting for hidden fees, these are still above MSRP so no excuses for AMD there...But they're still cheaper than a used 4070 Ti Super and a new 5070 Ti. To buy those two cards instead I'd want to make use of CUDA for AI tasks. Otherwise I don't see why I'd pay extra.

Just to be clear, if the 9060 cards release above the 5060 cards then NVIDIA is in the same position as the 9070, just in the class below. They'd rightfully dominate even though they're priced high. The alternative would just be an even worse deal from AMD.

 

[JustBenching]

Not brand new, it's discontinued and remaining stock is overpriced. The 9070 filled the gap and at a cheaper price. Like I said, I wanted a 4070 Ti Super, it was just too expensive so I was waiting for it to drop. The 9070 gave the same product at a much better price which made it an instant buy for me.

If you really want to make a case to buy the 4070 Ti Super here, talk about AI. It's not convincing in gaming alone as a used card that's still more expensive than a 9070. Prices differ per region so this may not map to your local pricing.

Cheapest Buy Now 4070 Ti Super on Ebay UK and it's from an OEM machine. Comes with no box or cables and future support can basically be dismissed. The branded used cards are either more expensive or on bids.
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Cheapest Brand New 9070 and 9070 XT
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9070: £580 - 20% VAT = £465 = 620$ (55$ above MSRP)
9070 XT: £660 - 20% VAT = £528 = 700$ (100$ above MSRP)

Even accounting for hidden fees, these are still above MSRP so no excuses for AMD there...But they're still cheaper than a used 4070 Ti Super and a new 5070 Ti. To buy those two cards instead I'd want to make use of CUDA for AI tasks. Otherwise I don't see why I'd pay extra.

Just to be clear, if the 9060 cards release above the 5060 cards then NVIDIA is in the same position as the 9070, just in the class below. They'd rightfully dominate even if they're priced high.

Im not suggesting buying it right now. Im saying you could have bought it last year, for the same price as the 9070xt currently has. So what would be the point of waiting for a nigh identical card a year later other than the fact that someone just didn't want to buy nvidia?

 

[wheresmycar]

Told you guys. I'm not running defense for leather jacket man.

lol what? I've never accused anyone of slipping into any brand cultist underwear - even if the lines are hardly blurred, I just don't feel its my place to dish out wedgies.

loool, speaking of wedgies, the last thing I wanna see is full grown men strutting around in red or green underpants

The street prices on those cards is probably gonna be on this range even if MSRP isn't, considered you cannot get a 9070 XT for less than 800 these days.

More importantly, once the dust settles, the real concern is how MSRP aligns with those market realities moving forward. In the UK, it seems the dust seems to settle more quickly. The 9070 XT can be had for £660+ (in stock) and recently we're seeing the 5070 TI for £730+ (in stock). In the grand scheme of things, still expensive for what they are but something I don't mind splurging on (when the time calls for it).

For the mainstream consumer (or current Gen lower-end performance GPUs), where budgets are tight, wallets are thin and bank accounts are constantly battling expenses, I'm less forgiving. IMO, MSRP at this level should always be more considerate. If AMDs idea of MSRP is anywhere near those leaked prices - its time to call for a WAR-ROOM meeting.

Best case scenario it's an intentional leak to stir conversation and then announce something more reasonable (like with the 9070). Worst case scenario they price a 9060 XT only $25 below their 9070 GRE, lol.

I had the same first impression but with Nvidia overpricing the 60-series and AMD typically following closely, it does dampen the mood. That said, it also implies AMD would stay in line with Nvidias pricing, not exceed it - which is why these leaks feel unrealistic. But then again, street pricing vs MSRP... ah toss it, lets wait and see how everything plays out.

 

[NSR]

Im not suggesting buying it right now. Im saying you could have bought it last year, for the same price as the 9070xt currently has. So what would be the point of waiting for a nigh identical card a year later other than the fact that someone just didn't want to buy nvidia?

The 4070 Ti Super was never as cheap, brand new, as the 9070 cards are, even with their fake MSRP. Otherwise I would have bought one. That's what I'm trying to say. It's still not cheaper now.

Though, could be a local pricing thing, maybe they reduced to $650-$700 brand new in the US.

 

[JustBenching]

The 4070 Ti Super was never as cheap, brand new, as the 9070 cards are, even with their fake MSRP. Otherwise I would have bought one. That's what I'm trying to say. It's still not cheaper now.

Though, could be a local pricing thing, maybe they reduced to $650 brand new in the US.

I checked price history on pcpartpicker us. The 4070ti super was cheaper than the current 9070xt price. The 9070xt is 5% faster in raster and 5% slower in RT, so pretty much identical cards.

 

[NSR]

I checked price history on pcpartpicker us. The 4070ti super was cheaper than the current 9070xt price. The 9070xt is 5% faster in raster and 5% slower in RT, so pretty much identical cards.

Fair enough then if that's how it is in the US. I agree if you could've gotten the same card for the same price last year or earlier than that was the better choice. My point is just that wasn't the situation here. I recall the 4070 Super (non Ti) being our £600 option, whereas now it's the 9070, so quite a different experience.

 

[JustBenching]

Fair enough then if that's how it is in the US. I agree if you could've gotten the same card for the same price last year or earlier than that was the better choice. My point is just that wasn't the situation here. I recall the 4070 Super being our £600 option, whereas now it's the 9070, so quite a different experience.

You are right, the 2 refresh models (4070ti S and 4080S) were pretty expensive for some time, but the last couple of months before the launch of the 5 gen prices dropped like a rock.

 

[NinJaLoOtEr]

An 8gb card shouldnt be over $300 USD, As for 16gb I think within $350-500 USD. Only if there was a Price control standard on stuff like this.

 

[oddrobert]

What an absolute shitshow!

Leave it to AMD to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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