The 9070 XT graphics are terrible

[Sunny and 75]

Currently playing DOOM: The Dark Ages

More like DOOM: The Early Ages

 

[Lew Zealand]

FWIW I have:

Arc B580
RTX 3060
RX 6700 XT

The images they produce are the same in all games as far as I can tell. There is an interesting graphical glitch from one of the vendors in the old Ark: SE with the UI overlay which shows up in all their cards so it's not even limited to one generation or GPU, but it's no big deal. Otherwise identical.

Or I'm blind, could be that too.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe 20 years ago, there is 0 difference in image quality rendering with AMD or Nvidia GPU's these days in the same game, the OP is either incompetent or trolling at this point

Not, I've seen it. That's how I know that AMD's default driver config is less than optimal. It is a minor issue with a reasonable solution, but some don't know what's wrong or how to resolve it. Just because you are not aware of something doesn't mean they are trolling. It's very likely they didn't know how to fix the issue.

FWIW I have:

Arc B580
RTX 3060
RX 6700 XT

The images they produce are the same in all games as far as I can tell. There is an interesting graphical glitch from one of the vendors in the old Ark: SE with the UI overlay which shows up in all their cards so it's not even limited to one generation or GPU, but it's no big deal. Otherwise identical.

Or I'm blind, could be that too.

Do you leave the AMD drivers at their defaults or do you customize?

 

[Sunny and 75]

DDU FTW!

 

[DaemonForce]

I've heard about this. The way the AMD driver renders things and the way NVidia drivers do the same can result in very distinct image qualities.

This reveals itself in certain HMDs but I haven't known there to be any difference on any of my stuff.
Just as I hear complaints about color washout on my Nixeus VUE monitor but I only see issues with my Surface.
At the end of the day, people are polarized to whatever they trust works the way they expect.

 

[lexluthermiester]

At the end of the day, people are polarized to whatever they trust works the way they expect.

That is possible. There's also the fact that no one has the same eyes, the same brain or the same ears. As such everyone perceives the world slightly differently, and in some cases dramatically. Ask anyone who's colorblind or has a severe eyesight problem.

 

[Marcus L]

That is possible. There's also the fact that no one has the same eyes, the same brain or the same ears. As such everyone perceives the world slightly differently, and in some cases dramatically. Ask anyone who's colorblind or has a severe eyesight problem.

And seeing something that isn't there. there is no discernible difference in IQ between GPU manufacturers regardless if AMD/NV or even Intel, it's not a thing that is mentioned in reviews these days as it's non-existent, as I said, that was maybe a thing 20 years ago with Radeon and Geforce, but games these days render the same exact IQ regardless of GPU, only difference will be in performance (FPS) and your own monitor/colour settings, Anything else is nonsense.

 

[Aquinus]

AA and Anisotropic filtering did help, but made everything slightly blurry, making fps like Counter-Strike unplayable.

With a 9070 XT class card, all your settings can be maxed and your FPS should be through the roof for CS2. Assuming we're not being trolled, I think the OP has a defective card or something is very wrong with the driver being used. If issues like this were widespread, I feel like we would have heard about them. So my bet is on a defective card.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Anything else is nonsense.

And you are welcome to your opinion. I have personally seen otherwise and understand the OP's complaint.

 

[Marcus L]

And you are welcome to your opinion. I have personally seen otherwise and understand the OP's complaint.

What reviews mention the difference in image quality between AMD/Nvidia with the same game/settings? they don't because games are rendered as they are programmed, there is no difference in the image quality whatsoever unless you are changing stuff in the monitor/colour/driver settings, prove me wrong, like I said it was a thing 20 years ago, it's no longer

GTA5, Cyberpunk, Doom, Fortnite, Call of Duty, Baldurs Gate etc etc all have no perceivable difference in IQ between different GPU manufacturers, that is fact, they all render the game the same way, the only difference is in performance whether that's FPS, RT, etc saying that a game looks different on an AMD GPU than it does on NV or Intel is ridiculous lol it's the exact same, no driver tweaks, no cheats just the game as it is "meant to be played"

 

[lexluthermiester]

prove me wrong

I don't need to prove you wrong. Stop reacting with your ego.

 

[Marcus L]

I don't need to prove you wrong. Stop reacting with your ego.

Stop chatting BS then

 

[Ruru]

FWIW I have:

Arc B580
RTX 3060
RX 6700 XT

The images they produce are the same in all games as far as I can tell. There is an interesting graphical glitch from one of the vendors in the old Ark: SE with the UI overlay which shows up in all their cards so it's not even limited to one generation or GPU, but it's no big deal. Otherwise identical.

Or I'm blind, could be that too.

3080 and 6700 XT here, if I play the same game with reasonable settings (that the 6700 XT won't struggle), I wouldn't know which card is running the game.

 

[Hecate91]

I don't need to prove you wrong. Stop reacting with your ego.

This isn't a matter of ego or feelings. You brought up the claims of image quality being different between gpu manufacturers,so maybe provide proof of why you think so?
Everyones eyes and how we may perceive colors is different but if there were some differences in IQ with Nvidia, AMD, and Intel there would been someone making technical analysis on it by now.

 

[Dr. Dro]

3080 and 6700 XT here, if I play the same game with reasonable settings (that the 6700 XT won't struggle), I wouldn't know which card is running the game.

This has been my experience as well, and I think that owning a laptop with AMD+NV combo where I am always experiencing both would have brought up some pretty noticeable results?

 

[Sunny and 75]

I have personally seen otherwise

DLSS is superior to FSR in terms of overall IQ.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Not, I've seen it. That's how I know that AMD's default driver config is less than optimal. It is a minor issue with a reasonable solution, but some don't know what's wrong or how to resolve it. Just because you are not aware of something doesn't mean they are trolling. It's very likely they didn't know how to fix the issue.

That's interesting, I'm curious what you see. Sometimes there are things that annoy some people greatly while others don't even notice it.

Until they're pointed out. And then become very annoying!

Do you leave the AMD drivers at their defaults or do you customize?

I don't customize any visual settings in any drivers though I did need to turn off Radeon Image Sharpening about a year or so ago (they defaulted it to on at one point - damn it was ugly!), but that hasn't happened recently. Additionally I used to need to set Nvidia's drivers to 10-bit at one point when banding was a noticeable issue but I haven't touched that setting in at least a year, probably longer.

And I swap out cards about every 2 months or so (yeah, I'm weird) so I'm DDU-ing a lot and starting with fresh settings every time, and those above issues aren't issues any longer.

The real fun part is what I do customize: every card (I have lots...) is undervolted and given custom curves (also for Fans) and I have most of them memorized now. I really don't want to know what's been jettisoned from my memory to retain that extremely useful information, lol.

 

[Redwoodz]

That is possible. There's also the fact that no one has the same eyes, the same brain or the same ears. As such everyone perceives the world slightly differently, and in some cases dramatically. Ask anyone who's colorblind or has a severe eyesight problem.

QFT. You just got caught trying to jump on the bandwagon. Clearly was a software issue do to driver conflicts.

 

[Sunny and 75]

You just got caught trying to jump on the bandwagon.

XD!

Assuming we're not being trolled

The fact that you felt the need to state that at the beginning ...

Meanwhile, the case got closed rather quickly.

The thread's title is definitely out of place, though.

The 9070 XT graphics are ANYTHING but terrible!

 

[Frick]

I do, and it was a freaky mess. To be fair, AMD and NVidia have again changed they way they render visuals enough that differences are possible. For the OP, the default AMD driver config is less than optimal and if they didn't know what settings to change to improve it, NVidia's default config might appeal to them better.

What settings should be changed to improve it? FWIW I went from a 3060ti to a 6950xt and haven't noticed anything.

 

[sLowEnd]

Has that old thing come back? Remember the "image quality" arguments from way back in the day?

That stemmed from the method of anisotropic filtering Nvidia used for Geforce 6 and 7. (re https://www.anandtech.com/show/2116/14)
Over time people somehow lost the original rationale and it turned into a stupid generalization that still sometimes pops up from time to time.

 

[Frick]

That stemmed from the method of anisotropic filtering Nvidia used for Geforce 6 and 7. (re https://www.anandtech.com/show/2116/14)
Over time people somehow lost the original rationale and it turned into a stupid generalization that still sometimes pops up from time to time.

Wasn't it an earlier thing as well? I have a memory of "Nvidia is faster but ATi has better IQ" stuff around the Quake 3 era.

 

[Waldorf]

@lilhasselhoffer
please read all post next time, and you would have seen OP said it was driver/os issue fixed after cleaning and not related to gpu hw.

@lexluthermiester
sorry, meant ppl helping in the forum that (should) know about ddu, not the OP's asking for help.

@Marcus L
lol, love how ppl tell others what to do, while neither being the parent/grandparent/partner, or mod/admin.

 

[Jacky_BEL]

Just saying , DDU was suggested in post #3 within 30 minutes of the original post.

And flashing a Gigabyte card with a MSI bios? I think OP's rationale is terrible rather than the 9070 XT.

 

[io-waiter]

Wasn't it an earlier thing as well? I have a memory of "Nvidia is faster but ATi has better IQ" stuff around the Quake 3 era.

There was a lot of this back on the Voodoo vs Others and also Nvidia vs other in the days when the colour depth was different, 16vs32bit internally and also in the output.
tried to find a nice link but all I found was this IQ comparison within the voodoo family, https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=36548.

Much if it in the end was made worse with how the screen captures were done and most reviewers where to lazy to do it right and we as a community was as happy to argue about minor difference then as now, and the differences are way lesser today.

The differences between the upscalers today can be seen by most and some care, then there would be edge cases with sensitive/golden eye users with "edge case" settings.
And by edge case I here refer to games that have heavy driver intervention on settings for tessellation, forced anti aliasing etc that varies between brands.

Im luckily not to sensitive for IQ as long as there is enough eye candy and I do what I can to avoid getting sucked into seeing those differences =)

Our brains are flexible and in many cases we only see the improvement in comparison (if even then) and can save a shitload of money and energy on not listening to the best of the best speakers, monitors etc and get infected by FOMO...