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RTX 5060 - No Reviews?

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TPU does that too.

I know. I was very aware of that fact. They are just as guilty of the clickbait culture and they are influencers. They will probably censure this posts, but that won't change the facts.
But HUB seems to be the worst offender in this particular problem.
 
Doom the dark ages use over 10gb in 1440p medium
That's what they sell DLSS for, just render at 540p instead. :)

And to be fair, 1080p DLSS transformer at performance (360p) looks impressive. Playing at native resolution isn't really a flex anymore especially above 1080p. VRAM conversation is more about being able to turn up settings where your GPU can handle it.
 
That's what they sell DLSS for, just render at 540p instead. :)

And to be fair, 1080p DLSS transformer at performance (360p) looks impressive. Playing at native resolution isn't really a flex anymore especially above 1080p. VRAM conversation is more about being able to turn up settings where your GPU can handle it.

Impressive is putting it mildly. I'm more than willing to bet that these two images will look indistinguishable from each other in most normal sized computer monitors, especially the sort that doesn't reproduce motion as perfectly and faithfully as an OLED. Particularly if you're actually playing the game instead of glossing over the finest details.

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Where is the here? I can find it in EU for 317. In stock of course, no preorders.

Ohhhhh hey I was looking at the 5060ti, I am braining mightily mighty now. Only some stores have listed prices (Sweden), a quick look says €330... That does change things honestly, if that holds and maybe even comes down a bit. "Given the state of things" still applies though, which sure is the only way to judge things but people should be salty about that state.
I know. I was very aware of that fact. They are just as guilty of the clickbait culture and they are influencers. They will probably censure this posts, but that won't change the facts.
But HUB seems to be the worst offender in this particular problem.

It's called benchmarks for a reason.
 
It's called benchmarks for a reason.

the problem isn't the benchmarks, it's the conclusions and the context. 8GB is fine for 1080p, the rest is clickbait, drama sells, truth doesn't. That's why HUB keeps making those clickbait videos over and over and are amongst the most watched and commented.
 
The 5060's street price is $400+. I'm trying to understand how a $400+ gpu with 8gb is okay. What would it have cost nvidia to put 12gb on it? An extra $40 max? Then put 12gb on it and sell it for 40 more dollars. That's what they should have done since I don't consider a $400 gpu entry level.
I don’t understand this armchair economics. What kind of question is “how is this okay”? Maybe it’s not, in your view. But IT IS WHAT IT IS. I said in my post, that’s what the market is, that is what NVidia decided to sell. What they should have done in your view is immaterial. This is like shouting at the sun demanding it not to shine. They saw that the 4060 was the best selling card of the 40-series. They also saw that putting 16 gigs on the 4060Ti did fuck all, despite all the demands and grumbling. So, in their view, the action is completely logical. They might rethink their strategy if, somehow, the bottom just falls out and they completely lose the midrange market this generation. This is highly unlikely, but that’s what it would take… maybe. Maybe they just wouldn’t care, since, as I pointed out in another thread, NV seemingly increasingly getting tired of being in the consumer market and may just consider it a liability.
 
the problem isn't the benchmarks, it's the conclusions and the context. 8GB is fine for 1080p, the rest is clickbait, drama sells, truth doesn't. That's why HUB keeps making those clickbait videos over and over and are amongst the most watched and commented.

I'm afraid that they genuinely believe what they are saying. I had engaged them through the comments and they seem to be smart enough for hardware testing. Though, it is not first time when I hear very questionable things from tech youtubers. Tech 'leakers' are a lot worse. In recent years, I had completely lost trust in them. I assume this is also part of a reason why companies and corporations had lost trust in them either. I see latest Nvidia move with RTX 5060 just as a complete breakdown of business relationship between tech youtubers and businesses.
 
Impressive is putting it mildly. I'm more than willing to bet that these two images will look indistinguishable from each other in most normal sized computer monitors, especially the sort that doesn't reproduce motion as perfectly and faithfully as an OLED. Particularly if you're actually playing the game instead of glossing over the finest details.

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Yeah, this might as well be the same picture duplicated. :laugh:

It's one thing I can give NVIDIA props for this generation and it's the one feature that's available on all their cards anyways.
 
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I'm afraid that they genuinely believe what they are saying. I had engaged them through the comments and they seem to be smart enough for hardware testing. Though, it is not first time when I hear very questionable things from tech youtubers. Tech 'leakers' are a lot worse. In recent years, I had completely lost trust in them. I assume this is also part of a reason why companies and corporations had lost trust in them either. I see latest Nvidia move with RTX 5060 just as a complete breakdown of business relationship between tech youtubers and businesses.
Are these things factually questionable or clickbait, or are people complaining about clickbait because they don't agree with the conclusion with the reviewer that 8GB cards are DOA and too expensive for the product offers?
And the relationship between Nvidia and tech youtubers hasn't been a very good one for years, according to all of them who have talked about it, the scary thing is Nvidia doesn't want reviewers they want paid reps to sell their products. But I'm sure someone will just say it's "drama rage bait".
Anyway, no I wouldn't recommend a 5060, the used market isn't much better, however I'd rather buy a good condition used card rather than hand Nvidia at least $300 for an 8GB card in 2025.
 
Buy what you need, who cares what literally anyone says when it is your money, your life. They don't have to use the machine.
 
I'm afraid that they genuinely believe what they are saying. I had engaged them through the comments and they seem to be smart enough for hardware testing. Though, it is not first time when I hear very questionable things from tech youtubers. Tech 'leakers' are a lot worse. In recent years, I had completely lost trust in them. I assume this is also part of a reason why companies and corporations had lost trust in them either. I see latest Nvidia move with RTX 5060 just as a complete breakdown of business relationship between tech youtubers and businesses.

100% agree
 
Why do we need to make stuff up man? Did you actually check the prices? Its 299$, you can find it on stock at that price
I checked pcpartpicker earlier and the cheapest was $400 but now it's saying $300. Regardless, $300 is too much for an 8gb gpu. I've seen several newer games that use more than 8gb vram after about 10 to 30 minutes of playing even though it starts out fine. Maybe a memory leak, I don't know. I had a 3060 ti for a while and 8gb is just not enough unless we're talking entry level which should be $200.
 
I checked pcpartpicker earlier and the cheapest was $400 but now it's saying $300. Regardless, $300 is too much for an 8gb gpu. I've seen several newer games that use more than 8gb vram after about 10 to 30 minutes of playing even though it starts out fine. Maybe a memory leak, I don't know. I had a 3060 ti for a while and 8gb is just not enough unless we're talking entry level which should be $200.
Man, you just claimed that a 5060 with 12gb should cost 440$ and youd be fine with it, while also arguing that an 8GB 5060 should cost 200.... Okay, i think i need to start quoting king theoden, some peoples hatred makes it impossible to have a reasonable conversation
 
Buy what you need, who cares what literally anyone says when it is your money, your life. They don't have to use the machine.
THIS^

Page #5, OFFICIALLY ;)

That's what they sell DLSS for, just render at 540p instead. :)
I will NEVER go below 100% render resolution :peace:
 
Are these things factually questionable or clickbait, or are people complaining about clickbait because they don't agree with the conclusion with the reviewer that 8GB cards are DOA and too expensive for the product offers?
And the relationship between Nvidia and tech youtubers hasn't been a very good one for years, according to all of them who have talked about it, the scary thing is Nvidia doesn't want reviewers they want paid reps to sell their products. But I'm sure someone will just say it's "drama rage bait".
Anyway, no I wouldn't recommend a 5060, the used market isn't much better, however I'd rather buy a good condition used card rather than hand Nvidia at least $300 for an 8GB card in 2025.

I mean, Nvidia doesn't owe anyone anything. Getting pre-launch hardware is a courtesy. This is why it is a relationship and a balancing act. They could easily make what Nvidia wants, highlight their selling points and then add or do separately their own video. However, they don't want to do any compromises and take this relationship for granted. It reminds me of internet culture and 'us poor gamers against big corporations' which we hate, but treat like they are part of our family, of us, of our clan. They are also act in completely one sided way of doing what is best for their channel in tapping the outrage and ripping those companies apart over anything, but don't want to do what their partners want.

Hardware Unboxed isn't the biggest offender in my eyes. Their conclusions are mostly fine. However, they do tell very questionable things. Like 16 GB is what we should get. 12 GB being the bare minimum for an entry level card. They then cherry pick results from wrong resolutions. They went from being tech reviewers to content creators. Content to entertain masses, because drama and outrage sells a lot better to public than dry and factual data. Merely stating that product is 'okay' doesn't sell nor is interesting to their audience. I really loved how they went tin foil hats and claimed that Nvidia is purposefully scalping those GPUs and AMD is going to save them. Then they got used by AMD as chills to promote their products. Then AMD just raised prices of their products to where they are no better than Nvidia products. In the end, it is Nvidia products which went down to their MSRP the fastest at least in my region.

As for RTX 4060/5060. Those cards always brought the best value for budget, low end gaming. Most people have 1080p and they don't play latest AAA titles. It is more than enough. Those cards provide the best performance per euro by far usually. Like I said before, it is really non issue and I support Nvidia's stance on it. Casual buyers just want what is cheapest and can run their old games. Enthusiast will be able to choose and pay for better performing parts.

I'm also little perplexed how these people don't understand concept of inflation. Since Pascal era there was tons of inflation. Microchips exploded in costs. However, gamers never adjusted their expectation of what they should receive for 300 dollars. Guys, at least inflation adjust your expectations. GTX 1060 6GB costing 250 dollars now is almost 350 dollars! I feel like I'm seeing how people get old and out of touch. Like an old man yelling at the cloud. They lived in good times. Got used to it and never since wanted to adjust their expectations. Getting stuck in the past reminiscing with rose goggles at how things used to be.
 
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I mean, Nvidia doesn't owe anyone anything. Getting pre-launch hardware is a courtesy
Amen. Said it a couple of days ago, it's entitlement at it's finest.

EG1. Regarding inflation, 250$ for a 1060 is too much. 250$ used to get you a house :D
 
Hardware Unboxed isn't the biggest offender in my eyes. Their conclusions are mostly fine. However, they do tell very questionable things. Like 16 GB is what we should get. 12 GB being the bare minimum for an entry level card. They then cherry pick results from wrong resolutions. They went from being tech reviewers to content creators. Content to entertain masses, because drama and outrage sells a lot better to public than dry and factual data. Merely stating that product is 'okay' doesn't sell nor is interesting to their audience. I really loved how they went tin foil hats and claimed that Nvidia is purposefully scalping those GPUs and AMD is going to save them. Then they got used by AMD as chills to promote their products. Then AMD just raised prices of their products to where they are no better than Nvidia products. In the end, it is Nvidia products which went down to their MSRP the fastest at least in my region.

Their conclusions are mostly fine... but also cherry picked, questionable, only for entertainment purposes, drama and outrage chasers, and they don't pay actual respect to factual data. Your words.

How is this statement reasonable at all?
Everyone should be asking for better from these influencers, ambulance chasers of the tech world.
 
Whoever is old enough (well, not that old but still) would remember the times when public opinion was that nvidia and amd release higher vram cards to milk their spec oriented customers since they offered 0 benefits over their lower vram versions (countless of examples from both amd and nivida the last 10-15 years). You were generally advised to skip the higher vram models and grab the lower ones for cheaper. Nowadays people are actually screaming that companies should not even release the lower vram products and suggest people to just splurge for the higher vram ones. What happened? :eek:
 
I feel that in isolation the 5060 is a decent product. I'll give an example: a friend of mine currently runs a GTX 660 and will build a whole new rig. I'd easily recommend him a bnib 5060 (locally at ~2600 bucks) over a still available locally bnib 3060 (~2200), 4060 8G (~2400), 3060Ti or B580 (~2500). The second on my recommendation list would be either a 7600 or a B570 at roughly 1800, though.
If he already had a 3060 and was looking into upgrading, though, I'd recommend him to just keep the card if staying at 1080p. Were it a 3060Ti, I'd slap him in the face if he bought a new 60. And thinking of upgrading a 60 card after 4 or 5 years wasn't something absurd. Heck, the consecutive jumps from 960 to 1060 to 2060 in shorter spans than that left people spoiled, but the tier half-stagnated.
 
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OMG. another one who claims 8Gb VRAM is enough.

I will not explain how a graphic card works. And what to look for. If you own a 800€ mainboard, 600€ desktop cpu, 400€ DRAM, 300€ 1TB NVME than maybe 8GB VRAM are fine. There is a hidden hint in that line here. Second hint - maybe the previous hint is too hard to grasp: Pay attention on how it its tested. Third hint: check the recent smal computer unit with proper 4 Zen Cores and another 4 zen cores with less cache. That will also explain a bit.
 
OMG. another one who claims 8Gb VRAM is enough.

I will not explain how a graphic card works. And what to look for. If you own a 800€ mainboard, 600€ desktop cpu, 400€ DRAM, 300€ 1TB NVME than maybe 8GB VRAM are fine. There is a hidden hint in that line here. Second hint - maybe the previous hint is too hard to grasp: Pay attention on how it its tested. Third hint: check the recent smal computer unit with proper 4 Zen Cores and another 4 zen cores with less cache. That will also explain a bit.
I have a 6 year old CPU (3700x) on a 97€ mobo and a 9 year old ssd with el cheapo ram. 8gb is still fine. What are you talking about?
 
I mean, Nvidia doesn't owe anyone anything. Getting pre-launch hardware is a courtesy. This is why it is a relationship and a balancing act. They could easily make what Nvidia wants, highlight their selling points and then add or do separately their own video. However, they don't want to do any compromises and take this relationship for granted. It reminds me of internet culture and 'us poor gamers against big corporations' which we hate, but treat like they are part of our family, of us, of our clan. They are also act in completely one sided way of doing what is best for their channel in tapping the outrage and ripping those companies apart over anything, but don't want to do what their partners want.

Hardware Unboxed isn't the biggest offender in my eyes. Their conclusions are mostly fine. However, they do tell very questionable things. Like 16 GB is what we should get. 12 GB being the bare minimum for an entry level card. They then cherry pick results from wrong resolutions. They went from being tech reviewers to content creators. Content to entertain masses, because drama and outrage sells a lot better to public than dry and factual data. Merely stating that product is 'okay' doesn't sell nor is interesting to their audience. I really loved how they went tin foil hats and claimed that Nvidia is purposefully scalping those GPUs and AMD is going to save them. Then they got used by AMD as chills to promote their products. Then AMD just raised prices of their products to where they are no better than Nvidia products. In the end, it is Nvidia products which went down to their MSRP the fastest at least in my region.

As for RTX 4060/5060. Those cards always brought the best value for budget, low end gaming. Most people have 1080p and they don't play latest AAA titles. It is more than enough. Those cards provide the best performance per euro by far usually. Like I said before, it is really non issue and I support Nvidia's stance on it. Casual buyers just want what is cheapest and can run their old games. Enthusiast will be able to choose and pay for better performing parts.

I'm also little perplexed how these people don't understand concept of inflation. Since Pascal era there was tons of inflation. Microchips exploded in costs. However, gamers never adjusted their expectation of what they should receive for 300 dollars. Guys, at least inflation adjust your expectations. GTX 1060 6GB costing 250 dollars now is almost 350 dollars! I feel like I'm seeing how people get old and out of touch. Like an old man yelling at the cloud. They lived in good times. Got used to it and never since wanted to adjust their expectations. Getting stuck in the past reminiscing with rose goggles at how things used to be.
A company sending out a product for a fair assessment isn't an owed thing or any sort of entitlement, it's how the review process has always worked with tech products, and now that Nvidia isn't even trying and knows their cards at the low end are garbage they suddenly want to break the relationship with every tech reviewer for not being a paid sellout.
I take it you haven't seen any of the coverage discussing on what Nvidia is trying to do with unbiased reviews, the tech press can't maintain their impartiality and take the money from the leather jacket man, Nvidia only wants videos where the presenter talks about DLSS And MFG 4X, while comparing the card to a 2060 and a 3060, both cards which lack MFG 4X. But it is baffling to think anyone would seriously accept a review from someone essentially being a marketing arm for a multi-trillion dollar company.
HUB isn't my favorite tech channel, I don't like their video thumbnails, and they are rather biased towards Nvidia with directing more harsh criticism towards AMD, only the Nvidia fans think they're shilling for AMD. By the way, Nvidia has been purposely limiting supply since the 30 series, it isn't some tin foil hat conspiracy, they did it for crypto, now they're artificially limiting supply to keep the demand higher than the supply.
I have yet to see anyone point out how their testing isn't factual, but the whining about using the "wrong" resolutions is ironically cherry picking, while defending to gatekeep people on a budget to be stuck on 1080p medium and low for years now, because Nvidia has refused to be the market leader pushing forward with 10-12GB cards on the midrange segment, since if Intel can sell a 12GB card with a $250 MSRP, then Nvidia with their 70% margins sure can. And the 3060 12GB sold at a reasonable price, but Nvidia probably regrets selling a midrange card with sufficient VRAM, it definitely makes the 4060 8GB and 5060 8GB look silly as those cards run out of VRAM well before they run out of GPU rendering power.
The 4060 and 5060 sell well enough because they're cheapest option in a green box, the average gamer will always buy the cheapest cards that the influencers are selling, even though the tech press said the 4060 wasn't enough of an uplift over the 3060, and a waste of sand compared to the 3060 12GB. And now the 5060 is just another 4060Ti, pointless like all of the 50 series have been below the 5090.
As for the inflation excuses, crypto also happened right after the Pascal generation, every company seen they can charge more for the same product, and now with AI things have gotten even worse, throw in some buzzwords to inflate the price. Also while prioritizing AI, gamers get the scraps, being told to run upscaling and frame gen to get a higher frame rate.
Calling someone old because they aren't celebrating how shit the market has become is an interesting take, then again it feels like people are worshiping the leather jacket while refusing to accept that a company stagnating the market to pay console prices for a graphics card could ever possibly be greedy.
 
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Whoever is old enough (well, not that old but still) would remember the times when public opinion was that nvidia and amd release higher vram cards to milk their spec oriented customers since they offered 0 benefits over their lower vram versions (countless of examples from both amd and nivida the last 10-15 years). You were generally advised to skip the higher vram models and grab the lower ones for cheaper. Nowadays people are actually screaming that companies should not even release the lower vram products and suggest people to just splurge for the higher vram ones. What happened? :eek:

there is a balance to be struck here. And neither Nvidia or the influencers are doing consumers any good at this moment. It's all over the place.
AMD seems to be much more reasonable imo, making a 9060 8gb doesn't shock me at all, more options is always better. Discussing prices, that's another issue.
 
there is a balance to be struck here. And neither Nvidia or the influencers are doing consumers any good at this moment. It's all over the place.
AMD seems to be much more reasonable imo, making a 9060 8gb doesn't shock me at all, more options is always better. Discussing prices, that's another issue.
Under normal circumstances there shouldn't be an amd and an nvidia, there should be a 5060 and a 9060xt, we shouldn't be talking about brands but MAN, unhinged posts like the one above you makes it hard for me to buy or suggest anyone to buy amd. Unhinged people make me hate the company, lol. Fans are just ruining pc gaming, what can you do...
 
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