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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 8 GB

Both Radeon Software and GPU-Z report 3W "idle" power consumption on the Radeon RX 9070.
And this is not the lowest deep sleep power state.

I have proved it, but no one sees it.


And anyone even remotely familiar with this subject already knows that idle power is a fickle mistress, 100% dependent on display setups and models and other hardware. So, with that in mind, what exactly did you do that actually proves w1zz's specific testing numbers are incorrect? Keep coping.......?
 
Complaining about bad companies not being fair is literally their job.

No, journalists report on them being bad companies. They don't complain they didn't gave them free shit.
 
hmmmm $460 beaver bucks (not incl tax) so double the price I paid for an RX6600, and after tax more than I paid for my RX6800
pass
Probably good at video
@W1zzard
any future plans of perhaps doing a small video review? like encode/decode power/fps for 1080p/4k for H.264/265/AV1/VP9?
 
No, journalists report on them being bad companies. They don't complain they didn't gave them free shit.
That is kind of a baseless statement. If companies didn't give out product then their would be no incentives for anyone to review them. No reviews or word of mouth no sales. It is a circle.

If it didn't work that way then Nvidia would for instance just give early purchase access to reviewers to purchase them. That isn't how it works though.
 
Nvidia, bringing you tiny upgrades over each generation for an even higher price. And, sometimes, less VRAM too!
 
I see a fundamental difference between the VRAM offerings of Nvidia and AMD at the low end here. Somewhat separated from which card's faster, etc. which some are getting hung up on.

In the 60 class, Nvidia offers:

$430 - 16GB 5060 Ti
$380 - 8GB 5060 Ti
$300 - 8GB 5060

So if you want 16GB, pay up for the next half tier. You have no option for extra VRAM at a less expensive price point.

AMD will offer:

$350 - 16GB 9060 XT
$300 - 8GB 9060 XT

You will get the option of 16GB on the entry-level tier. That means you have the choice to (theoretically) save $ and get less VRAM, but still the same performance in non-VRAM limited games or without turning down textures. Or get the same performance without those compromises for a little more $. You do not have the same choice at the bottom from Nvidia, instead you need to pay a half tier extra and then you have the option to pay extra again to get 16GB.

IMO this is about market appearance and AMD is giving the appearance of offering you a better choice. You could instead argue that Nvidia is giving you an extra lower tier and that may well be the case when we finally get the price/performance numbers of the 9060 XT models. But that's a week in the future.

Interesting times.
 
Both Radeon Software and GPU-Z report 3W "idle" power consumption on the Radeon RX 9070.
And this is not the lowest deep sleep power state.

I have proved it, but no one sees it.
No one cares about that minutia of a detail. Quit with the whining.

That is kind of a baseless statement.
Incorrect, it's completely factual. Companies are under zero obligation to hand out samples for review, especially when they know they're just going to be blasted with negativity. Any good journalist offers objective information regardless of input from involved parties and regardless of whether or not a company offers free samples.

W1zzard was sent a sample from Zotac on this instance, but he bought the Gainward 5060ti 8GB model he tested and he's presumably bought the MSI 5060 8GB model that will be reviewed soon. He's kept it objective and impartial during the key parts of the review and reserved his personal perspectives for the conclusion. This is proper journalistic integrity.
 
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That is kind of a baseless statement. If companies didn't give out product then their would be no incentives for anyone to review them. No reviews or word of mouth no sales. It is a circle.

If it didn't work that way then Nvidia would for instance just give early purchase access to reviewers to purchase them. That isn't how it works though.
Companies don't do it because some of them want favourable reviews.
Youtubers like HUB/GN don't care because the actual review brings in more revenue than 'getting a freebie' because they 'have to use our pr spin, game choices, settings'
The incentive to get the review out is being earlier to the market than others with the review and thus draw more of the traffic around the product to their review.
 
Companies don't do it because some of them want favourable reviews.
Youtubers like HUB/GN don't care because the actual review brings in more revenue than 'getting a freebie' because they 'have to use our pr spin, game choices, settings'
The incentive to get the review out is being earlier to the market than others with the review and thus draw more of the traffic around the product to their review.
We are talking about one instance. If say Nvidia said hey we aren't giving out samples anymore. The whole community could be like cool. We will just review Intel and AMD GPU's.

You are cherry picking instances over looking at what would happen big picture if Nvidia and its partners just flat out stopped giving cards for free. Just as Nvidia isn't obligated to give free cards, reviewers aren't obligated to cover news, driver news, or review anything from anyone. Which is why I said it is a big circle. What do you think Nvidia investors would think if all the tech sites, YouTubers etc all blacklisted Nvidia didn't cover announcements, drivers, or any other news from Nvidia. Took them completely out of the news cycle. Think that would impress Nvidia investors? I mean EVGA gave up almost their whole business because they couldn't stand working with the people from Nvidia. That is what we call toxic.
 
AMD will offer:

$350 - 16GB 9060 XT
$300 - 8GB 9060 XT
Yeah just like the 549$ for the 9070 and the 599$ for the xt model, personally i wouldn't believe it until i see it.
 
I have an ASRock B550 mobo. Would it be wise to try to sell this off and maybe get the 5060? It’s only 10$ more than what I paid for the 3070
3070 pros:
+ ~5-10% higher performance overall (add 2% to this review's 3070 for the FTW3's factory OC, and subtract 1% from this review's 5060 because you would run it at PCIe 4.0)
+ Better, quieter cooler
+ $10 cheaper
+ You already have it in your hands

5060 pros:
+ Frame gen
+ Lower power consumption
+ DisplayPort 2.1b
+ Warranty from a company that still sells graphics cards
+ Better NVENC and faster NVDEC
+ ~10% Higher performance than 3070 when running DLSS Transformer model ray reconstruction
+ Possibly better support for neural textures, if they ever catch on
 
+ Better, quieter cooler
No. The 3070 is hotter and noisier than the 5060 as shown below.

It also draws less power.

While I agree with you that no one who has a 3070 should be buying a 5060, if you're going to state information as talking points, make sure it's accurate. Otherwise it looks like you're being deliberately deceptive.
 
We are talking about one instance. If say Nvidia said hey we aren't giving out samples anymore. The whole community could be like cool. We will just review Intel and AMD GPU's.

You are cherry picking instances over looking at what would happen big picture if Nvidia and its partners just flat out stopped giving cards for free. Just as Nvidia isn't obligated to give free cards, reviewers aren't obligated to cover news, driver news, or review anything from anyone. Which is why I said it is a big circle. What do you think Nvidia investors would think if all the tech sites, YouTubers etc all blacklisted Nvidia didn't cover announcements, drivers, or any other news from Nvidia. Took them completely out of the news cycle. Think that would impress Nvidia investors? I mean EVGA gave up almost their whole business because they couldn't stand working with the people from Nvidia. That is what we call toxic.

Going with your cancel culture narrative, MSI stopped selling Radeon, does that mean RTG was toxic toward MSI?

No mega corporation is your friend anyway, just pick whatever product that suit your need.
 
MSI stopped selling Radeon, does that mean RTG was toxic toward MSI?
Quite the opposite, MSI made garbage Radeon cards for years, reusing Geforce coolers on Radeon cards, poor PCB and thermal pad quality. Radeon had no reason to send them chips, but MSI took it a step further and only uses Intel on their handhelds, it almost seems out of spite with everyone else using AMD APU's.
No mega corp is your friend, but a lot of fans act like PR for their favorite brand, especially with the price/performance argument while leaving out performance of cards a gpu generation ago, or a faster card from 5 years ago.
 
That's the 16GB model. With the 8GB model there is a loss.



Competition will be here in 8 days. We just have to wait and see if it is any good.



The competition I mentioned coming in 8 days has a full x16 link. That would be ideal for PCIe 3.



Depending on the game there can be a noticeable drop in performance:


The German review that videocardz is paraphrasing concludes that there's no difference between PCI-E 4.0 or 5.0 unless the card runs out of VRAM, in which case you'd be looking at bad (5.0) or worse (4.0). You don't really want to be running the card beyond its VRAM limits regardless of the PCI-E version.
 
I mean EVGA gave up almost their whole business because they couldn't stand working with the people from Nvidia. That is what we call toxic.
Have you noticed that the worldwide leader in PC’s (Lenovo) no longer sells systems with AMD cards? Let’s check the leader in gaming systems…Nope no AMD cards to be found there in Dell systems.

Good news though, HP Omen will sell you a system with a four year old 6700XT.

What were you saying about Nvidia being toxic? Because it sure appears any OEM that matters doesn’t want anything to do with Radeon.
 
Going with your cancel culture narrative, MSI stopped selling Radeon, does that mean RTG was toxic toward MSI?

No mega corporation is your friend anyway, just pick whatever product that suit your need.
I mean EVGA was vocal about it. So were EVGA employees or ex employees. I believe even KINGPIN talked about it. He is now with PNY. MSI never said anything to my knowledge. I am not the biggest MSI fan as I used them for some components with game promos and rebates and even with repeated submission and contact they have always refused all of them. Their tech support is garbage and so is their help team.

Reviewers are who help you find out what suits your needs. Otherwise if I just based it on Nvidia's info I would believe that a 5070 is as fast as a 4090.

 
Not true. Dell offers whatever card you want in the custom options section of a system purchase, as does Lenovo.

However, we're getting off topic, so I digress.

Not in the US.

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Have you noticed that the worldwide leader in PC’s (Lenovo) no longer sells systems with AMD cards? Let’s check the leader in gaming systems…Nope no AMD cards to be found there in Dell systems.

Good news though, HP Omen will sell you a system with a four year old 6700XT.

What were you saying about Nvidia being toxic? Because it sure appears any OEM that matters doesn’t want anything to do with Radeon.

I would say that ibuypower, cyberpower, and skytech sell more Pre-builts than just about anyone via Best Buy, Walmart, and even Costco among other outlets.
 
It's purely because those low end GPUs sell themselves, you don't need to market them or even make them better than last gen. People with limited budget desperate for a new GPU will buy whatever you drop at them (wouldn't be the case if AMD flooded the market with ridiculously good value offerings). However, higher tier GPUs are the enthusiast zone and these people are more nitpicky about what they buy so NV can't get away with so many counts of murder on this end.

Not really. The 3050 outsold the 6600 by a huge margin despite being considerably slower and priced similarly. Plenty of that was probably prebuilts but I'd bet a lot was also from Nvidia being the market leader and advice from family/friends who have only used Nvidia.

The issue is that Lovelace was a terrible launch. Then Nvidia fixed with Super series some cards. Then they launched Blackwell and fixed the low end how it should had been. The core issue here is that we are on the same node. We never see great performance jumps just from architectural changes and companies often release marginally better products at lower price. We had such meh generations way in the past too. So it is understandable why progress was so slow. Chip shortage, TCSM monopoly and all that.

However, if it is so easy to do better, why B580 and most likely RX 9060 don't outperform it? The issue is systematic rather than one company simply not giving you stuff for no reason. The good news that situation is likely to improve with time. Manufacturers are investing heavily in expanding chip production. Intel is trying to become a player again and their 18A shows promise if it won't get delayed again. Then next generation will finally go to 3 nm as demand for it subsides and node matures. We are going to see proper gains due to that alone. Then GDDR7 chips had received 3 GB modules and they are becoming more available. So going further Nvidia GPUs are likely to have more VRAM. I have no doubt that tech youtubers are going to celebrate as their victory rather than it starting to make sense from manufacturing side of things.



Tech media is often out of touch with average gamers. The thing with people is that they don't want to spend a lot on GPU and they don't need all that performance. It is not that they don't have money even, it is that their needs aren't that great and people naturally want to spend the least amount of money. My both friends are fully satisfied by budget class (RTX 3060 12 GB and RX 7600) GPUs. Years since purchase they never played anything which would tax them. Likewise, all those 50s card class which youtubers love to pile on have a real purpose. RTX 3050 6 GB for example is a terrific card, because it offers massive performance gains for builds without power connector. It can be fueled solely from motherboard and have low profile models. Previously we had way worse GPUs for that purpose. Likewise, there is a good reason why I ended up with RX 6500 XT out of all things. Each tier has its own requirements and their buyers. It is not as simple as 'get better FPS/dollar'.

It's been done before. Look at the 780 Ti vs the 980 Ti. The 980 Ti is much faster despite being on the same 28nm node. Zen 3 was much better than Zen 2 despite both being on 7nm. I'm sure it isn't easy, but there is proof it can be done.

Yeah just like the 549$ for the 9070 and the 599$ for the xt model, personally i wouldn't believe it until i see it.

Fake MSRP's aren't limited to AMD. A quick check shows the cheapest 5060 Ti at $419 and the cheapest 5060 Ti 16GB at $479. So even if the $350 9060 XT 16GB ends up at $419 that's probably a win. Depending on reviews of course.
 
Quite the opposite, MSI made garbage Radeon cards for years, reusing Geforce coolers on Radeon cards, poor PCB and thermal pad quality. Radeon had no reason to send them chips, but MSI took it a step further and only uses Intel on their handhelds, it almost seems out of spite with everyone else using AMD APU's.
No mega corp is your friend, but a lot of fans act like PR for their favorite brand, especially with the price/performance argument while leaving out performance of cards a gpu generation ago, or a faster card from 5 years ago.

Radeon group is extra good at pissing off their so called partners. When the number one OEM supplier won’t do business with you anymore - essentially cutting you out of the prebuilt market - you know you’ve messed up good.
 
The German review that videocardz is paraphrasing concludes that there's no difference between PCI-E 4.0 or 5.0 unless the card runs out of VRAM, in which case you'd be looking at bad (5.0) or worse (4.0). You don't really want to be running the card beyond its VRAM limits regardless of the PCI-E version.

As soon as you run out of VRAM you are in for a world of hurt, sure. It's just a bit less hurt with PCIe 5. Cutting the PCI lanes to x8 just seems like penny pinching. AMD has done it too but are going back to the full x16.
 
I mean EVGA was vocal about it. So were EVGA employees or ex employees. I believe even KINGPIN talked about it. He is now with PNY. MSI never said anything to my knowledge. I am not the biggest MSI fan as I used them for some components with game promos and rebates and even with repeated submission and contact they have always refused all of them. Their tech support is garbage and so is their help team.

Reviewers are who help you find out what suits your needs. Otherwise if I just based it on Nvidia's info I would believe that a 5070 is as fast as a 4090.


I bought a couple MSI for friend builts, like the 4090 SuprimX and 4080S GamingX (with promo game Black Myth Wukong that I redeemed without issue). Overall no issue with MSI as they offer very well made products.

Btw Nvidia's marketshare actually increased once EVGA left the chat, so EVGA can complain all they want but gamers are happy buying other brands.

Back to the 5060, as Nvidia offer solid features like DLSS4 and MFG, outlets like GN and HUB would get you think that the gaming experience is not that great, but once you tune some settings DLSS4 and MFG will offer great gaming experience, like mentioned in TPU review
 
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