NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 8 GB

[Macro Device]

The RX 9060XT?

Can you buy it today? No? Then this GPU is pointless as of now.

 

[dlgh7]

I really think most people are disappointed in the price of this card not just the fact that it's 8gbs, should be like $150 to $180.
It's anywhere from -2% to 5% faster than a 2080 ti. that doesn't feel like enough considering it's the 4th RTX card.
What do older cards come to when looking at 4th generation card?

My biggest problem is if you look at charts they are actually getting generational leaps or close to it each gen in the xx70 series and higher. This is literally a case of Nvidia and let's be honest AMD as well purposely releasing all cards under $500 or maybe even $550 without any significant jumps in performance.

While none of the cards reach the marks Nvidia claimed in marketing by far the fact is the xx70 series cards and higher are getting pretty legit leaps. The main problem is the xx70 series used to be like $300-$350 or less and now they start at $550.

 

[JustBenching]

It definitely is when Nvidia advertises the card for RT, that is a weird double standard for Nvidia.

And it doesn't matter what nvidia advertises, for crying out loud why do you care? I judge the product based on it's merit not based on what nvidia advertises it for, you are stack up on the advertising part cause for some goddamn reason you are itching to find a reason to complain about nvidia. Stop it man, it's not healthy.

A 299$ gpu not managing a good experience on cp77 with RT on is fine.

My biggest problem is if you look at charts they are actually getting generational leaps or close to it each gen in the xx70 series and higher. This is literally a case of Nvidia and let's be honest AMD as well purposely releasing all cards under $500 or maybe even $550 without any significant jumps in performance.

While none of the cards reach the marks Nvidia claimed in marketing by far the fact is the xx70 series cards and higher are getting pretty legit leaps. The main problem is the xx70 series used to be like $300-$350 or less and now they start at $550.

Yeap, that's why I liked the jayz review you posted. All this talk about vram completely miss the point, cause the 5060ti with all it's glorious 16gb of vram it's not a worthwhile upgrade for someone that has a 3070. Vram is completely irrelevant here, even the 5060 could have 12 or 16 and it would still be a meh upgrade.

 

[pequod]

So with all this talk abut the 8 gb on this card not been enough, how come the 5060 ti 16gb gets ONLY like 12 and 14 more fps on Cyberpunk and Elden Ring for example. I dont get it. When the double VRAM starts to make a difference ?

 

[N/A]

So with all this talk abut the 8 gb on this card not been enough, how come the 5060 ti 16gb gets ONLY like 12 and 14 more fps on Cyberpunk and Elden Ring for example. I dont get it. When the double VRAM starts to make a difference ?

Generally speaking, it starts to matter when influencers try to find the most absurd settings for the game and it crashes because 30-60 FPS is considered playable. Also, the 5060 Ti has 20% more shaders and here the 8GB is actually faster than the 16GB version by 0.4 - 2.6 FPS. lol, maybe the tight memory timings. I rarely see more than 6GB at playable settings and it's really stuck there.

 

[W1zzard]

So with all this talk abut the 8 gb on this card not been enough, how come the 5060 ti 16gb gets ONLY like 12 and 14 more fps on Cyberpunk and Elden Ring for example. I dont get it. When the double VRAM starts to make a difference ?

Alan Wake 2 with RT is a good example. page 35, note how all 8 GB cards run considerably slower than the cards with more memory. Solution? Turn off RT, now, at 1080p, page 7, no more performance issues, but the overall FPS are still fairly low (for all cards in the comparison group), solution, turn on DLSS upscaling in quality mode, still looks great and suddenly the game is perfectly enjoyable

 

[Macro Device]

8GB is actually faster than the 16GB version by 0.4 - 2.6 FPS. lol, maybe the tight memory timings

The 16 GB version has twice as many VRAM chips. Less power budget for the die so it clocks lower than in the 8 GB version. The only reason why 8 GB is faster.

When the double VRAM starts to make a difference

Every game (ideally) has built-in garbage management that destroys data that's no longer useful, freeing the system resources. In many a game, waste management isn't ideal and at some point you run out of your 8 GB buffer and the game goes from butter smooth to shaky at best. When you have double the VRAM it's no longer an issue and you have solid experience. That's why CP77 with RT is running okay on 8 GB cards for some time and minutes later the VRAM is used in fully and you start seeing framerate's nosedive.

That's why buying an 8 GB card today is far from ideal. It's fine if you got it for 200 dollars or cheaper but 300 upwards? Gimme a break.

 

[chrcoluk]

Good selling point for all new GPU's (maybe even including AMD assuming latest FSR is as good) is I have been playing FF13-2 with DLDSR down sampled from 4k, and its not miles off from SGSSAA quality with much less resource usage. The standard DSR I also tried and DLDSR is a big improvement so SGSSAA > DLDSR >>>>>> DSR. have become a fan of DLAA and DLDSR now.

 

[Am*]

AMD: "We will make affordable GPUs affordable again!"
Also AMD: release a whole lot of nothing in sub-600 USD area.

That's why it is what it is. "Bad" "greedy" NVIDIA are at least offering something in this segment, unlike "good guys" AMD. And since it's the best price to performance card as of now it's not THAT bad. Sure, 8 GB for 300 bucks is horrible. Sure, what NVIDIA did to the reviewers is unforgivable. But the SKU exists and is available. And nothing, I repeat, NOTHING dares to compete with it.

Sorry but I genuinely can't tell if you're being sarcastic or genuinely this much overdosed on copium.

Before 2020, a new 60 class SKU would be matching or beating the previous gen 80 or at least a 70 class SKU -- even in eSports or MMO titles that aren't GPU limited in low resolution (with maybe only the RTX 2000 series being the exception due to the additional wasted die space for ray tracing hardware):

A 2 generation old 60 SKU should be so far behind it shouldn't even show up on the chart. But this POS can't even beat its 2 generations old direct predecessor -- the RTX 3060, that's coming up to 5 years old on a dud process node that even Ngreedia admits was a mistake (which I'm still running in my old rig). That's not just bad -- it's literally ewaste and should be a crime to release garbage like this. It's so bad, Nvidia fanboys are going to buy up the almost 5 year old RTX 3060 (still the number 1 card on the Steam charts) and making the price of it go above what I paid for it almost 3 years ago just after the scalpocalypse.

Even AMD's last gen $200 ewaste GPU (RX 7600 8GB) is managing to show up with some sort of a result and beat it instead of just crashing -- the cheaper Intel B580 even more so...but even putting that aside and Nvidia's completely garbage drivers, of all the things to rag on AMD for, them not releasing overpriced waste first is the only thing they should be commended for. Let the arrogant Ngreedia take the consumer backlash and do the free market research for you, then release what you have in line with the competition instead of releasing with an inflated MSRP, getting negative reviews and then readjusting down accordingly. And at no point did AMD even say they wouldn't release anything below $600 -- 9060 and the 9060XT are well on their way, so your entire "muh good guys" tirade is complete nonsense.

At this point, I'm convinced that Nvidia zealots are sadomasochists -- because literally every year since 2020, Nshittia craps out a worse and more overpriced turd than last gen with a new sticker and nonsensical gimmick attached and every time Nvidia fanboys trip over themselves to run damage control and claim how much "it's really not so bad" whilst literally losing to its 5 year old direct predecessors...even if we lived in a world without any competition in the market from AMD or Intel. It's beyond embarrassing at this point and the current market is exactly what these brand zealots deserve.

 

[JustBenching]

Sorry but I genuinely can't tell if you're being sarcastic or genuinely this much overdosed on copium.

Before 2020, a new 60 class SKU would be matching or beating the previous gen 80 or at least a 70 class SKU -- even in eSports or MMO titles that aren't GPU limited in low resolution (with maybe only the RTX 2000 series being the exception due to the additional wasted die space for ray tracing hardware):

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A 2 generation old 60 SKU should be so far behind it shouldn't even show up on the chart. But this POS can't even beat its 2 generations old direct predecessor -- the RTX 3060, that's coming up to 5 years old on a dud process node that even Ngreedia admits was a mistake (which I'm still running in my old rig). That's not just bad -- it's literally ewaste and should be a crime to release garbage like this. It's so bad, Nvidia fanboys are going to buy up the almost 5 year old RTX 3060 (still the number 1 card on the Steam charts) and making the price of it go above what I paid for it almost 3 years ago just after the scalpocalypse.

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Even AMD's last gen $200 ewaste GPU (RX 7600 8GB) is managing to show up with some sort of a result and beat it instead of just crashing -- the cheaper Intel B580 even more so...but even putting that aside and Nvidia's completely garbage drivers, of all the things to rag on AMD for, them not releasing overpriced waste first is the only thing they should be commended for. Let the arrogant Ngreedia take the consumer backlash and do the free market research for you, then release what you have in line with the competition instead of releasing with an inflated MSRP, getting negative reviews and then readjusting down accordingly. And at no point did AMD even say they wouldn't release anything below $600 -- 9060 and the 9060XT are well on their way, so your entire "muh good guys" tirade is complete nonsense.

At this point, I'm convinced that Nvidia zealots are sadomasochist -- because literally every year since 2020, Ngreedia releases a worse and more overpriced turd than last gen with a new sticker and nonsensical gimmick attached and every time Nvidia fanboys trip over themselves to run damage control and claim how much "it's really not so bad" whilst literally losing to its direct predecessors...even if we lived in a world without any competition in the market from AMD or Intel. It's beyond embarrassing at this point and the current market is exactly what these brand zealots deserve.

That's cute and all and I actually agree that the situation is crap for 3060 / 3060ti / 3070 owners but criticizing nvidia exclusively (like you are just doing) - and then calling other people fanboys is asinine. Everything you said applies to amd as well. Unless you are expecting the 9060xt to be crashing those 5 year old ampere GPUs. Cause I got news for you, it won't.

 

[Am*]

That's cute and all and I actually agree that the situation is crap for 3060 / 3060ti / 3070 owners but criticizing nvidia exclusively (like you are just doing) - and then calling other people fanboys is asinine. Everything you said applies to amd as well. Unless you are expecting the 9060xt to be crashing those 5 year old ampere GPUs. Cause I got news for you, it won't.

Your damage control is "cute and all", but it's literally stating facts, because only the green fanboys come running to defend this nonsense and I don't see anyone doing the same for Intel or AMD.

Everyone from all sides happily piles on AMD when they screw up -- as they should. 7600 8GB was garbage when it came out and priced barely below a discounted 12GB 6700 XT and I said that myself before and at launch. But Nvidia fanboys making excuses for this 8GB turd literally dragged the whole GPU market down with them to where AMD and Intel would be stupid not to join in on the scalping. 8GB SKUs shouldn't even exist past the $200 tier in 2025 -- but instead, we're down to Pascal levels of VRAM when it is barely scraping by minimum requirements for gaming at 1080p.

 

[JustBenching]

Your damage control is "cute and all", but it's literally stating facts, because only the green fanboys come running to defend this nonsense and I don't see anyone doing the same for Intel or AMD.

And again, you are repeating the same stuff - why are you criticizing nvidia for all of that? Isn't amd releasing yet another 8gb vram card? Does it cost 200$? Why don't you go over the 9060xt thread and post EXACTLY what you just did above for that one?

There is no defending anyone here, they are both equally crap, amd gets extra crappy points from me because they themselves brought it upon themselves by "focusing on the midrange this time around to gain marketshare". And generally I expect more from them simply because - well, they are the ones about to go extinct in the GPU space. It is expected and maybe even acceptable from a near marketshare monopoly to ***k around until they found out, it's neither expectable or acceptable from a 10% and dropping marketshare company to do that.

It's just common sense really, I expect nvidia to release the crappiest products possible that they can get away with. If it turns out badly in terms of sales - they still have a commanding lead and can fix it with super refreshes or with the new generation. AMD doesn't have that luxury and yet they act like they do, that's why im wondering how is it possible for thinking human beings to be more critical with nvidia is all.

 

[Macro Device]

Sorry but I genuinely can't tell if you're being sarcastic or genuinely this much overdosed on copium.

I'm being read by a person that can't read. I made it totally clear as vodka I absolutely, genuinely, overwhelmingly loathe what we have for a 60-class product the second time in a row. But should I send all the gaol tickets to nVidia? No I should not. They face negative amounts of resistance from Intel (this I can understand) and from AMD (this I cannot).

There was no AMD GPU to beat the crap outta 4060.
There is no AMD GPU to beat the crap outta 5060.
There WILL be no AMD GPU to beat the crap outta 6060, 7060 etc.

Why? Because AMD either truly enjoy being El Numero Dos or they are just oblivious to what the reality actually is. If AMD put actual pressure and not ~3% better value raster / ~10% worse value RT / +inf worse value PT GPUs previous two gens and not fake MSRP low stock nonsense this gen we could probably see a GPU with the specs of 5070, maybe 3% slower, getting called a 5060 and priced at 300ish USD.

I am not here to defend nVidia. I hate them even more than you do. It's just I at least understand why they do what they do. This doesn't mean I condone it.

 

[nguyen]

Your damage control is "cute and all", but it's literally stating facts, because only the green fanboys come running to defend this nonsense and I don't see anyone doing the same for Intel or AMD.

Everyone from all sides happily piles on AMD when they screw up -- as they should. 7600 8GB was garbage when it came out and priced barely below a discounted 12GB 6700 XT and I said that myself before and at launch. But Nvidia fanboys making excuses for this 8GB turd literally dragged the whole GPU market down with them to where AMD and Intel would be stupid not to join in on the scalping. 8GB SKUs shouldn't even exist past the $200 tier in 2025 -- but instead, we're down to Pascal levels of VRAM when it is barely scraping by minimum requirements for gaming at 1080p.

Well you are free to buy the Intel B580 at 300usd or the 5060 at the same 300usd LOL, see which one give you better gaming experience

 

[JustBenching]

I am not here to defend nVidia. I hate them even more than you do. It's just I at least understand why they do what they do. This doesn't mean I condone it.

Exactly this.

And what I don't really get - how are they going to gain marketshare by excusing themselves from the high end? They are as competitive as they were last gen, only this time around they don't even have a halo product, which last time around (according to steam database) was their best seller. WHAT?

 

[Am*]

And again, you are repeating the same stuff - why are you criticizing nvidia for all of that? Isn't amd releasing yet another 8gb vram card? Does it cost 200$? Why don't you go over the 9060xt thread and post EXACTLY what you just did above for that one?

There is no defending anyone here, they are both equally crap, amd gets extra crappy points from me because they themselves brought it upon themselves by "focusing on the midrange this time around to gain marketshare". And generally I expect more from them simply because - well, they are the ones about to go extinct in the GPU space. It is expected and maybe even acceptable from a near marketshare monopoly to ***k around until they found out, it's neither expectable or acceptable from a 10% and dropping marketshare company to do that.

It's just common sense really, I expect nvidia to release the crappiest products possible that they can get away with. If it turns out badly in terms of sales - they still have a commanding lead and can fix it with super refreshes or with the new generation. AMD doesn't have that luxury and yet they act like they do, that's why im wondering how is it possible for thinking human beings to be more critical with nvidia is all.

Because it's the market leader who always sets the trend for the rest of the market. Every phone even under $100 used to come with cheapo headphones, a 3.5mm jack and a charger in the box before CrApple took them away. Everyone expected a backlash or at least a fall in sales -- which never came, because their fanboys were damaged controlling for them. What did the rest of the market do? Follow the leader -- even Scamsung who made commercials making fun of the trend doesn't ship phones with either anymore, because they'd be stupid not to. It's leaving free money on the table. Now, even the Chinese phone brands who made throwing the fastest charger in the box their brand image (like OnePlus) I've gotta pay extra and buy a charger separately for. And me getting pissed off at smaller phone brands over 6 years after the trend caught on and went mainstream isn't going to reverse that -- and why Ngreedia shouldn't be getting away with this, with all the backlash directed at them first, then AMD and Intel. A fall in sales will be a loud and clear message to both companies not to follow suit.

 

[Macro Device]

Also 9060 XT won't impact 5060 because the AMD card is doomed to be too much more expensive.

 

[JustBenching]

Because it's the market leader who always sets the trend for the rest of the market. Every phone even under $100 used to come with cheapo headphones, a 3.5mm jack and a charger in the box before CrApple took them away.

There is no such thing as setting the trend. It wasnt the trend that forced amd to release an 8gb 9060xt that is going to be battling it out with 5 year old ampere, it was their own choice.

What you are describing even with your apple example is that every other company is just as crappy and greedy as apple, but they were just too afraid to do it first. But how is that really an excuse? Is amd such a greedy company that they have to be forced by nvidia to do better, even though their marketshare is dwindling? My brain is telling me its the other way around, amd is the one that needs to be keeping nvidia in check, they just refuse to do so cause they are even more greedy.

 

[Calicifer]

I'm seeing this ridiculous notion that RTX 5060 would be fine if it would had costed 200 dollars max. Guys, inflation exists. GTX 1060 3 GB costed 200 dollars. It is 270 dollars equivalent now. RTX 60 series in my region sometimes fall below MSRP. Why it is so hard to understand inflation? That even back in Pascal era, for this amount of money you still were getting VRAM compromised product. This is the way you are going to become old men complaining how things were used to be back in your day pretty fast.

And this attitude that Nvidia is holding everything back reeks of entitlement. Why Nvidia has to give you anything? Why you treat corporation as your bro who owes you one? Like seriously, corporations are not your friends. Our relationship with them are strictly that of buyer and seller. Ironically, if you would had treated Nvidia as someone who should listen to you, you would had invested into its stock back then and now you would be getting free 90 series cards from your returns. It is just people have expectations from Nvidia like they would be investors and owners of it, but act like consumers. It is a very confused anger for a corporation and it is rare that any other electronics manufacturer has to deal with this type of client. Even when it comes to phones, people just buy the newest phone every two years or so without half of what we go through with Nvidia.

The entire issue is that people had tied 60s series cards to 300 dollars. Money lose value over time. Days when silicone became faster and cheaper are long gone now. Now silicone becomes faster and more expensive. VRAM also went up in price. It then needs better thermal solutions which then increases price. Then we went to PCIE gen 5 which also has tighter tolerances and thus is more expensive. To top it off, we need more VRAM, more bus width which also costs money.

The real problem with Blackwell lineup is RTX 5060 Ti which is a bad place right now. It is considerably more expensive than RTX 5060, but offers marginal performance increase without any more VRAM. Higher VRAM version is then again quite a bit expensive. IF we are buying 16 GB version then why not just buy RTX 5070? That card is a bad place and it is likely candidate for a refresh. RTX 5060 Ti Super with either more binned silicone or least performant 70s dies and 3 GB modules resulting in 12 GB VRAM buffer is what we need right now. Other than that, Nvidia's lineup is in pretty good place as it is.

 

[Hecate91]

While none of the cards reach the marks Nvidia claimed in marketing by far the fact is the xx70 series cards and higher are getting pretty legit leaps. The main problem is the xx70 series used to be like $300-$350 or less and now they start at $550.

I disagree, the 5070, 5070Ti, and 5080 have all been criticized by reputable sources for not being enough of a performance uplift over the 4000 series. But the main problem with the 5070 is indeed pricing, the 5070 is just too expensive for 12GB of VRAM, but still not enough of a jump over someone with a 4070.

And it doesn't matter what nvidia advertises, for crying out loud why do you care? I judge the product based on it's merit not based on what nvidia advertises it for, you are stack up on the advertising part cause for some goddamn reason you are itching to find a reason to complain about nvidia. Stop it man, it's not healthy.

A 299$ gpu not managing a good experience on cp77 with RT on is fine.

It does matter because the average buyer who will buy a 5060 will see Nvidia claiming it can run all their favorite titles with RT on in 1080p, and buy it to only be disappointed because some games with RT on are an awful slideshow. I'm not itching to find a reason, you're grabbing at straws to defend Nvidia.
A $300 GPU in 2025 should be well capable of running a 5 year old Nvidia sponsored title, the free passes you give is just sad, come on.

Yeap, that's why I liked the jayz review you posted. All this talk about vram completely miss the point, cause the 5060ti with all it's glorious 16gb of vram it's not a worthwhile upgrade for someone that has a 3070. Vram is completely irrelevant here, even the 5060 could have 12 or 16 and it would still be a meh upgrade.

Except people with a 3070 aren't going to upgrade to a 5060Ti, they're going to be upgrading to a 5070, if you're going to compare cards at least compare them in the same product tier.

But should I send all the gaol tickets to nVidia?

Yes, you should since they're the market leader pulling all of this BS manipulating reviews while pushing out another 8GB card that doesn't pull ahead of the previous gen x60Ti card.

There is no AMD GPU to beat the crap outta 5060.

There will be if you wait less than a week.

I am not here to defend nVidia. I hate them even more than you do. It's just I at least understand why they do what they do. This doesn't mean I condone it.

You say this but you set a 30 story high bar for AMD while you put the bar for Nvidia on the floor.

Also 9060 XT won't impact 5060 because the AMD card is doomed to be too much more expensive.

Can I borrow your crystal ball please?
If the 9060XT will be more expensive, then it'll be because it's faster, but no AMD is supposed to take a loss on their cards while Nvidia fans hope of Nvidia lowering prices, but they're going to buy an Nvidia card anyway.

There is no such thing as setting the trend. It wasnt the trend that forced amd to release an 8gb 9060xt that is going to be battling it out with 5 year old ampere, it was their own choice.

What you are describing even with your apple example is that every other company is just as crappy and greedy as apple, but they were just too afraid to do it first. But how is that really an excuse? Is amd such a greedy company that they have to be forced by nvidia to do better, even though their marketshare is dwindling? My brain is telling me its the other way around, amd is the one that needs to be keeping nvidia in check, they just refuse to do so cause they are even more greedy.

There is, and most of it is through marketing and mindshare. And you're saying AMD has to launch a x60 card that competes with a 5090? What logic is that?
What they are describing is how a company has a near monopoly over a market, like apple does with phones, every one else will follow because the apple buyers will see a phone with a headphone jack and think it's "outdated". The same thing I see when people react to the 9070 and 9070XT having GDDR6 VRAM, for some reason people think it's "outdated" even though those cards compete with cards having faster VRAM and larger dies.

And this attitude that Nvidia is holding everything back reeks of entitlement.

Again with the entitlement nonsense? If we're so entitled, then why should Nvidia sell consumer graphics cards at all? Then Nvidia should just go off to make AI & datacenter cards, and stop selling 8GB garbage that is causing market stagnation, leave Intel and AMD to compete for the gaming market.

 

[JustBenching]

A $300 GPU in 2025 should be well capable of running a 5 year old Nvidia sponsored title, the free passes you give is just sad, come on.

Oh really? But a 520€ GPU (7800xt) getting a whopping 26 fps in this game at 1440p is fine. Yeah, im the one giving free passes

There is, and most of it is through marketing and mindshare. And you're saying AMD has to launch a x60 card that competes with a 5090? What logic is that?

I'm saying a company that wants to gain marketshare can release a 6c/12t CPU for 199$ vs their competitors 4c/4t cpu that costs 280$. Got it? We clear? Did the "trend setting and the mindshare" stop amd from outgunning intel back in 2017? Do you see anything like that happening in the GPU space?

every one else will follow because the apple buyers will see a phone with a headphone jack and think it's "outdated".

So you are saying that AMD released an 8gb vram card with mediocre performance cause if it had 16gb and was actually fast people would think it's outdated. Gotcha.

The same thing I see when people react to the 9070 and 9070XT having GDDR6 VRAM, for some reason people think it's "outdated" even though those cards compete with cards having faster VRAM and larger dies.

Uhm, no they don't. Nvidia cards achieve much higher performance with much less transistors. This is a fact, they achieve more with less. Period. You can be as biased as you'd like but please don't lie.

 

[Am*]

Is amd such a greedy company that they have to be forced by nvidia to do better, even though their marketshare is dwindling? My brain is telling me its the other way around, amd is the one that needs to be keeping nvidia in check, they just refuse to do so cause they are even more greedy.

You're mistaken. It's not any company's job to keep any other company in check -- a company's job is to make money for their shareholders. That's it.

AMD is literally matching Nvidia like for like -- to the point of ditching their entire old naming scheme for one matching Nvidia's: their 9070XT vs 5070 TI, their 9070 non XT vs the 5070 non TI and now the 9060 XT vs the 5060 TI...so yes, Nvidia is directly setting the trend for the rest of the market, whether you believe it or not. Especially with the lack of competition in the GPU space compared to something like the phone market, where the barrier to entry is infinitely lower (even more so with Nvidia controlling far more of the GPU market than Apple does of the phone market).

 

[Macro Device]

Yes, you should since they're the market leader pulling all of this BS manipulating reviews while pushing out another 8GB card that doesn't pull ahead of the previous gen x60Ti card.

AMD do the same. So what, they ain't at fault because nVidia did that first?

There will be if you wait less than a week.

9060 XT being faster than 5060 is no surprise to me. I know it's gonna be significantly faster. I also know it's gonna be more expensive and by a BIGGER margin. Also it's not about how soon till it comes out, it's about it not coming out before nVidia's release in the first place. Like, it's perfectly easier to wait till the leader shows their hand and then release the barest of minimums, just enough to make it look like an AMD product is better, than to do the first move.

NV released the whole stack before AMD made Navi 48 cards accessible worldwide. NV released the whole stack before AMD released Navi 44 cards. Yes, prices are absurd; yes, this connector is hot bollocks; yes, the driver situation stinks; yes, they did a lot wrong to the public with their lies and manipulation. But sure, they're the only bad guys here, that's for certain. No questions asked.

You say this but you set a 30 story high bar for AMD while you put the bar for Nvidia on the floor.

I set no bars. I just witness the following situation:
• NV fans acknowledge their favourite brand fucked up.
• AMD fans are adamant NV are the only ones to do so.

All while BOTH parties failed to deliver. NV failed to make quality products for us to see no black screens, no ROP shortages, no melting connector shenanigans, we should've had legit GPUs on the shelves. Preferrably without 5070=4090 scams but that's really too much to ask. AMD, however, defeated their own purpose by introducing 0 (zero, null, nothing, nada) products for the mass buyer until now. Sure, they eveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeentually released and somehow someway in some select countries even managed to provide some stock for their higher end cards but not a lot can afford it. They still miss the 300 dollar market. They had ONE job and they failed miserably.

 

[JustBenching]

You're mistaken. It's not any company's job to keep any other company in check -- a company's job is to make money for their shareholders. That's it.

AMD is literally matching Nvidia like for like -- to the point of ditching their entire old naming scheme for one matching Nvidia's: their 9070XT vs 5070 TI, their 9070 non XT vs the 5070 non TI and now the 9060 XT vs the 5060 TI...so yes, Nvidia is directly setting the trend for the rest of the market, whether you believe it or not. Especially with the lack of competition in the GPU space compared to something like the phone market, where the barrier to entry is infinitely lower (even more so with Nvidia controlling far more of the GPU market than Apple does of the phone market).

I'm not saying it isn't happening, I'm saying there is no such thing as an invisible force called "trend" that amd is forced to follow. They are doing it on their own volition. Nobody forced AMD to release the 9070xt at 600$ MSRP instead of a 350$ MSRP, and nobody forced them to actually be lying about that MSRP which turns out it's 750$ instead of 600. Do I really need to keep reminding people that the R5 1600 6c/12t chip was 199$ MSRP, almost matching a 2c/4t CPU from the competition?

 

[Calicifer]

Again with the entitlement nonsense? If we're so entitled, then why should Nvidia sell consumer graphics cards at all? Then Nvidia should just go off to make AI & datacenter cards, and stop selling 8GB garbage that is causing market stagnation, leave Intel and AMD to compete for the gaming market.

Here you go. Your prayers might be answered after all:
"Nvidia should just go off to make AI & datacenter cards"

It is thinking that you, youtubers or buyers can dictate what cards are being made from those companies. First of all, there are manufacturing reasons why we got so little VRAM from Nvidia or why there is such a small performance uplift. Since it is the same node, Lovelace and Blackwell should be treated like one, big generation of GPUs which was constantly refreshed and upgraded through its lifespan.