AMD Silently Releases the Ryzen 5 5500X3D CPU

[SSGBryan]

Aw hell nevermind it looks like 5700X3Ds are gone or overpriced now, guess I'm running my Zen 2 into the ground or getting a 5700X.

A 5700x is a fine gaming CPU; the difference between the x3d & the x model is 1% lows and power consumption - the 5700x is a 65 watt part - the x3d is a 105 watt part.

Makes no sense. I beg you AMD, AM4 was a nice platform, let it die with honour and start bringing TRUE entry level products to AM5. DDR5 is quite cheap now, the only part impeding that is you.

5700X3D is already the exit point for the “bad” bins of 5800X3D. 5600X3D is the exit point for even worse bins.

This is literally selling trash at close to 200USD. Even for LATAM this makes little sense when they could have just lowered the price of their existing lineup. I could probably stand it a bit better if fans of this company stopped giving moral lessons to other consumers. Specially when they are acting like intel if not worse when they are leading the pack.

AMD isn't a charity. They are not in the business of selling at a loss - if the silicon is available, sell it. If it goes into Latin America, what is the competition cost?

As far as the 5500x3d - I am sure it will be a fine budget gaming cpu. The 5600x3d was the recommended budget option for quite some time; pair this with an inexpensive B550 motherboard, and you can have a nice gaming PC for not a lot of money. For most poeple, gaming is a luxury, not a necessity.

I haven't moved up from AM4 because it is still well over $1,300 to move up, while staying on the same performance tier. The performance uplift to either the 7950x (13% IPC over Zen3 for $490) or the 9950x (16% over 7950x for $517) isn't worth the price to me, and those are best case scenarios. Moving from a 5700x to a 5900xt ($299 - $270 now) was - 16 cores means I can have all my poorly coded adobe apps open, rather than 2 or 3. Yes, the 5900xt has 16 cores - I would have called it the 5950, but AMD didn't ask me.

Desktop DDR5 may be dropping in price, but 128gb of ECC DDR5 memory starts at $650 or so. Yes, I need all of it.

Then there is the whole "there is no AM5 motherboard equivalent to the WS X570-ACE" issue for me. I need PCIe slots and PCIe bifurication, and those seem to be non-existent on the AM5 platform.

 

[RaphaelOne]

Can’t imagine wanting to game with a 6 core CPU, even consoles have been 8 cores (...)

The polished ZEN3 Ryzen5 (6C/12T) is still very comfortable IMO. One condition: the processor must be well-fed with fast DRAM memory with low access time.
Example: 65-watt Ryzen5 5600X + DDR4 4000/CL16 (sync) with a ratio of MHz/CL=250 runs with a DRAM access time of 55ns. This, combined with a fast PCI-E Gen4 SSD, gives a very comfortable responsiveness of the OS and software. Fast, cool and quiet.

P.S. The storage of this Gen4 system can be effectively accelerated by installing fast Gen5 SSDs. The linear transfer limits will remain at the Gen4 level, but the IOPS performance will increase and is important for the OS performance.

 

[LastDudeALive]

Are we ever going to get leftover AM4 chips? AM4 is eternal. AM4 will outlive you. In 10,000 years when humanity is conquering the stars, AMD will release the new Ryzen 3 5300X3D with leftover silicon.

I don't have access to all of AMD's sale data, but at a certain point, just trashing all the remaining AM4 stock has to be the right financial decision instead of dripping out the 5800XT and now this, letting it continue to steal market share from AM5.

 

[wNotyarD]

Considering the 12400F still sells like hotcakes here down south, this may be a very compelling option even for new builds. AM5 is still too expensive, not to mention LGA1851.

 

[lexluthermiester]

How exciting...

While you say that in jest, it really is. Solid final(maybe??) entry for the AM4 platform.

 

[Makaveli]

Aw hell nevermind it looks like 5700X3Ds are gone or overpriced now, guess I'm running my Zen 2 into the ground or getting a 5700X.

or buy now instead of waiting.

the longer you wait the worse it will get.

 

[SSGBryan]

Considering the 12400F still sells like hotcakes here down south, this may be a very compelling option even for new builds. AM5 is still too expensive, not to mention LGA1851.

Still a pretty good seller on aliexpress as well, I paid $95 for my 12400f, paired it with a $55 B760m motherboard & it makes a great pairing with my B580.

 

[freeagent]

Still waiting on a 5900X/5950X3D..

They will put X3D on Zen 2 before they release those chips

 

[_roman_]

For new builds, a modern AM5 processor like the Ryzen 5 7600X or 9600X would be a better choice, offering more future upgrade paths.

May 2023 when i finally bought am5 after selling am4 there was only the ryzen 7600x.

these days i would get ryzen 7700 for a few dollars more. Or ryzen 7500f or 7400f when i get anyway a dedicated radeon graphic card.
Before that the obvious choice was the cheapest of these three, ryzen 7600x or 7600 or 7500f.

-- Is the ryzen 5800X3d such a crap cpu when i see long boot times comment? January 2023 and before my ryzen 5800x with a MSI B550 gaming edge wifi with corsair 2x32gib (lpx?) DRAM booted very fast.

-- those cpu news can be ignored. they are not sold to austria, only regionally in germany for example. small numbers of cpus with high price and limited use.

haven't moved up from AM4 because it is still well over $1,300 to move up, while staying on the same performance tier. The performance uplift to either the 7950x (13% IPC over Zen3 for $490) or the 9950x (16% over 7950x for $517) isn't worth the price to me,

I made a sidegrade in may 2023. Performance wise it was nearly 100% ryzen 5800x vs 100% ryzen 7600x

These days the ryzen 7600x is more on top. I also tuned my dram more.

the gnu toolchain is better for comparing. I ran the same gnu userspace with same linux kernel and compared. A bit unfair for the ryzen 7600x as the processor has more instructions and other compiler settings which the ryzen 5800x is unable to.

Note: 8 core am4 vs 6 core am5.

 

[Rover4444]

or buy now instead of waiting.

the longer you wait the worse it will get.

Absolutely not. For the same price or a hundred bucks more I can get Microcenter bundles from AMD.

 

[Pumper]

I thought the 5700X3D was the sub-$200 CPU.

It was, before the prices went up 30%.

 

[HDZ77]

I confess the fast boot and lack of memory training is something I miss somewhat from my 5800X3D, even with a 9800X3D. I'd consider Intel just for that reason, plus more fun to tweak.

You need to Update your Bios to the new AGESA to ComboAM5 PI 1.2.0.3d., AM4 has memory training, its just super fast and the new Bios just released does the same thing, Asus figured it out and my PC X670E Hero Board now boots in less then 10 seconds, other Board vendors are now releasing it so make sure if your Board brand has the Bew Bios and update it.

 

[Cheeseball]

Buddy...

Six cores are fine for the budget sector this chip is aimed at, paired with a cheap GPU, not the 5090 we bench with. It's a legacy gen previous socket chip with a 2020 architecture ffs.

AM5 retains training settings if you keep power connected. I power off at the wall every night. Most motherboards also enable memory context restore by default, which is a shortcut that can occasionally lead to instability, noticeable or not, since DDR5 has basic error correction it just gets slower when unstable, not necessarily causes blue screens. Furthermore, it's a "solved" problem if you're running the base RAM support, so 5600/3600 MT, or even if you're running 6000/30 with 2*16 for the "sweetspot" which is not guaranteed and is OC.

I, however, am running 2*32 at 6000/28, with an all core 5.5 GHz OC, aren't using any cheats like MCR, aren't brute forcing with voltage, and power cycle every night. For my 2*2R config guess what the AMD validated speed is? DDR5-5600, drops to DDR5-3600 if you're running 4x16.

Wait, why do you have MCR off? I have MCR on that same ROG X870-I for the 9800X3D (I put the 7950X3D back in the Taichi Lite X870E, also with MCR on), fast boot off and I get around:



The point of MCR is to keep a copy of the "trained" settings and not keep retraining every time you boot up. I don't think there are any performance differences with it on or off (aside from boot speed, duh), and I say this with big capacity DDR5-6000 EXPO CL30s and DDR5-5600 JEDEC CL46s.

 

[umeng2002]

We really want them to keep cranking out 5800X 3D chips.

 

[efikkan]

Great AMD! The AM4 is gold nowadays.

Well, these are just different SKUs from almost 5 year old CPUs, so AMD is getting some cheap publicity and selling out their old stocks.

I really hope people aren't considering upgrading an existing system or buying a new system with a Zen 3 CPU unless they have a very good reason, they will be paying good money for something that's essentially two generations old (roughly Coffee Lake/Comet Lake class performance), and while a system like this might be okay for now, it will become obsolete very quickly. By the looks of it, it wouldn't be long before this class of CPU is noticeably slow for web browsing.

Can’t imagine wanting to game with a 6 core CPU, even consoles have been 8 cores for generations. You’re just asking for frametime issues and the 5700x3d is already reasonably priced.

Most games will be just fine on 6 cores.
The console argument is silly; those cores are much weaker, and 6 faster cores will beat 8 slower cores every time whether it's gaming or general use of interactive applications.

Who cares about memory training my b850 / 9800x3d boots in under 10 seconds just like my old b550/ 5800x did. Something is up with your mobo and ram if it doesn’t. Make sure you flash latest bios and have expo enabled because it’s a solved problem.

Or just stick with JEDEC speeds and avoid all these problems.
And for those paying for extra expensive RAM on an obsolete platform would be ludicrous; you'll get much more performance and stability by running a newer platform at the speed its designed for.

I haven't moved up from AM4 because it is still well over $1,300 to move up, while staying on the same performance tier.<snip>

Desktop DDR5 may be dropping in price, but 128gb of ECC DDR5 memory starts at $650 or so. Yes, I need all of it.

Then there is the whole "there is no AM5 motherboard equivalent to the WS X570-ACE" issue for me. I need PCIe slots and PCIe bifurication, and those seem to be non-existent on the AM5 platform.

It sounds like you should consider the new Threadripper coming next month.
If you're in the position where IO is even a concern, then AM5 is a poor choice. (Arrow Lake is slightly better for IO, but only gets you a little further). And while Ryzen AM5 CPUs "supports" ECC, they aren't validated for it, so it's questionable at best whether it's worth it. Getting a high-end workstation might be worth it, as you may keep the system for much longer.

 

[azrael]

Seems like AMD is trying to clear its stock of Zen3 X3D chips. When there weren't enough 8-cores left fit for the 5800X3D, the 5700X3D picked up the slack. Likewise with the 5600X3D, we now get the 5500X3D. They're still going to sell, though it will get harder all the time with AM5-based solutions being affordable now. Only motherboards are still priced too high, compared to both CPUs and DDR5 memory.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Then there is the whole "there is no AM5 motherboard equivalent to the WS X570-ACE" issue for me. I need PCIe slots and PCIe bifurication, and those seem to be non-existent on the AM5 platform.

You should be able to bifuricate at least on the first x16 slot on AM5. That is what I did for my Optane's on a add in card but GPU would need to go in the x4 or you would need to use iGPU. The troublesome catch with that is if the x4 is shared with M.2 or at the bottom of your board it might clash with GPU's from I/O, USB, RGB cables typically plugged in down there making motherboard selection incredibly important not just for slots but for component placement as well. In a twist of fate I went with a cheaper B650 board that came with x16 and x4 from CPU and still an additional x4 slot from chipset. The nice thing was the first x4 slot left room for a 2 slot GPU and I still could use the last x4 slot for a 10Gbit NIC later.

If you really need more slots on AMD Threadripper is the way. While I have a grumbling about the price of it, I don't really regret side grading into it and consolidating my older platforms into a single PC. The bifurcation and plentiful slots are a dream come true. With the Zen3 Threadrippers you at least have the option to reuse all your UDIMM ECC which is nice. With the right motherboard you can double your 128GB UDIMM RAM coming from AM4 up to 256GB or switch to RDIMM for higher capacity. Zen2 Threadrippers have much better pricing especially in the used market if you just need a lot of cores and RAM.

 

[Alyux]

Can’t imagine wanting to game with a 6 core CPU, even consoles have been 8 cores for generations. You’re just asking for frametime issues and the 5700x3d is already reasonably priced.



Who cares about memory training my b850 / 9800x3d boots in under 10 seconds just like my old b550/ 5800x did. Something is up with your mobo and ram if it doesn’t. Make sure you flash latest bios and have expo enabled because it’s a solved problem.

Dismissing a modern CPU's viability in gaming based on core count alone is painfully shortsighted.
By your logic, the 6C/12T 7600X or 9600X isn't worth gaming on at all, which is untrue, even if the 5500X3D isn't a compelling AM4 offering and ends up instantly obsolete.

 

[_roman_]

Only motherboards are still priced too high, compared to both CPUs and DDR5 memory.

Well there are no 25 to 30€ end of life mainboard sales like with am4.

I think 75€ onwards, for paid listenings here speak a clear language, that am5 has affordable and reasonable priced mainboards

Central europe - price listening in german language. model name and price should be universal language in my point of view

https://geizhals.at/?cat=mainboards&sort=p&promode=true&preset=249

I bought this mainboard including shipping a few hours ago for 220€ with tax

https://geizhals.at/msi-x670e-gaming-plus-wifi-7e16-001r-7e16-003r-a3086588.html?hloc=at

AM4 MSI X570 tomahawk wifi for a relative has cost some years ago also around 220 € (4 or 5 years ago in summer)
my previous MSI B550 gaming edge wifi has cost around 160€ a few years ago. (4 or 5 years ago in summer)

-- i do not agree with am5 overpriced mainboard prices.

I bought several ryzen 5800x for 400€, 420€, 400€
ryzen 9700X is 300€

when someone else argues wiht DRAM.
8Gib Crucial DDR5 DRAM = 20€ // apples with apples . as most likely most guys will use also 8Gib DDR4 wiht AM4.
16gib patriot DDR5 DRAM = 39€
source: https://geizhals.at/?cat=ramddr3&xf=15903_DDR5&pg=2#productlist

 

[Geofrancis]

amd has released 11 different chips on am4,

am4 excevator
ryzen 1000
ryzen 2000
ryzen 2000 apu
ryzen 3000
ryzen 3000 dual ccd
ryzen 4000 apu
ryzen 5000
ryzen 5000 dual ccd
ryzen 5000 apu
ryen 5000 3d

 

[Ruru]

8½ year old socket and still going strong. AMD easily outlived their own promise what it came to supporting AM4.

 

[SSGBryan]

It sounds like you should consider the new Threadripper coming next month.
If you're in the position where IO is even a concern, then AM5 is a poor choice. (Arrow Lake is slightly better for IO, but only gets you a little further). And while Ryzen AM5 CPUs "supports" ECC, they aren't validated for it, so it's questionable at best whether it's worth it. Getting a high-end workstation might be worth it, as you may keep the system for much longer.

I lived the high-end workstation life from 2005 to 2018 (Power Macs & Mac Pros, and Dells). I "circled the airport" with my Mac Pro 5,1 for 5 years. It is why I have the AM4 system that I have.

I have considered Threadripper ever since it was 1st released. I don't need that 128 lanes, 64 cores, or the associated power bill (I lived the Xeon life). I also don't care for the fact that every single generation has a different socket - which is very different than Ryzen, or Eypc for that matter. I would also point out that threadripper's releases are either long after the Ryzen/Epyc launches or they never make it past the OEMs.

AM5 isn't a poor choice if all you need is bifurication. Most GPUs sold today are only use 8 PCIe lanes - for most people, it is an effective loss of 8 PCIe lanes.

The issue is that AM5 motherboards that support bifurcation are all north of $400. Too many of the x870e boards have only 2 PCIe slots, and many of the ones that have 3 have made some poor choices as to how close the 2nd & 3rd slots are to each other. An AM5 board that has the same PCIe slot layout as my AM4 board is between $450 - 550. Now add in a 16 core CPU, and 128gb of ram (hoping all the time that there won't be issues with using all 4 ram slots), and the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Two generations of CPUs have provided around a 30% IPC uplift, so I suspect I'll skip AM5 completely.

 

[A Computer Guy]

The issue is that AM5 motherboards that support bifurcation are all north of $400.

I don't think this is accurate. My $150 B650 LiveMixer supports bifurcation and I'm willing to bet many other boards do too at least on the x16 slot. This is pretty useful for quad NVMe storage cards but it forces you to put your GPU in the remaining x4 slot or go with iGPU only. I don't know if the newer $400 boards that can do bifurcation between two x16 slots support the prior x570 options like x8/x4x4 or x4x4/x8 which was still useful to accommodate storage and GPU.

 

[efikkan]

I don't need that 128 lanes, 64 cores, or the associated power bill (I lived the Xeon life). I also don't care for the fact that every single generation has a different socket - which is very different than Ryzen, or Eypc for that matter.

I was more thinking along the lines of a 24-core Threadripper 9960X, launching next month. And the energy efficiency and scaling of these systems are very good these days, so I'll doubt it will affect your power bill. But I'm not going to push you.
(Threadripper 9000 and 7000 series shares socket BTW.)

The issue is that AM5 motherboards that support bifurcation are all north of $400. Too many of the x870e boards have only 2 PCIe slots, and many of the ones that have 3 have made some poor choices as to how close the 2nd & 3rd slots are to each other. An AM5 board that has the same PCIe slot layout as my AM4 board is between $450 - 550. Now add in a 16 core CPU, and 128gb of ram (hoping all the time that there won't be issues with using all 4 ram slots), and the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Don't forget that two of the M.2s are typically sharing bandwidth with the x16 slot, and everything on the chipset shares x4 4.0 lanes. And picking the right one even among the expensive boards is hard enough; as you might have to choose between SATA ports, x4/x1 slot slots etc.

Regarding RAM, you better go with 2x64 GB over 4x32 GB, as you wouldn't be able to run 2DPC at full speed with DDR5.

 

[SSGBryan]

I was more thinking along the lines of a 24-core Threadripper 9960X, launching next month. And the energy efficiency and scaling of these systems are very good these days, so I'll doubt it will affect your power bill. But I'm not going to push you.
(Threadripper 9000 and 7000 series shares socket BTW.)


Don't forget that two of the M.2s are typically sharing bandwidth with the x16 slot, and everything on the chipset shares x4 4.0 lanes. And picking the right one even among the expensive boards is hard enough; as you might have to choose between SATA ports, x4/x1 slot slots etc.

Regarding RAM, you better go with 2x64 GB over 4x32 GB, as you wouldn't be able to run 2DPC at full speed with DDR5.

I love you guys, but seriously.

I show a use case for staying on AM4 based on price/performance. People start recommending that I spend 3 times the cost of my AM4 system for at best a 30% IPC increase, and most of the additional features won't be used.

Don't ever change.

Having an X570 chipset means not having to share bandwith; it is why I went from B450 to X570.

The goal, once I can snipe an additional 5060ti 16gb at MSRP next month. (Friends don't let friends pay more than MSRP for GPUs)
Slot 1 - 5060ti using 8 PCIe 4 lanes (CPU)
Slot 2 - 5060ti using 8 PCIe 4 lanes (CPU)
Slot 3 - SATA controller for the eight 2tb SATA drives (X570 chipset)
Slot 4 - 2.5gb NIC (X570 chipset)
M.2 1 - (CPU)
M.2 2 - running at PCIe 3.0x1 (X570 chipset)

Theoretically, I could run with three 5060ti (2 CPU/1chipset), but I know with Poser I would see diminishing returns that wouldn't make it cost effective. The Poser design team told me that I would see a 1/3 reduction in render time with the 2nd card, but I wouldn't see much better with a third card. Daz Studio won't make use of the 2nd card, and I still haven't seen if Stable Diffusion is multi-gpu yet. I know it is/was being worked on, but it is nearly impossible to keep up with the development.

The argument for not moving to AM5 is that getting the same board PCIe slot layout, plus new CPU, plus new RAM (BTW, not being able to use all 4 channels in DDR5 isn't a feature - it is a bug) is really expensive (north of $1,200 as of writing).

This isn't an AMD issue - this is an AIB issue - in my view, too many PCIe lanes are going to M.2 slots that won't be used by most buyers, rather than to PCIe slots that won't be used by most buyers. I have been adventurous on the M.2 adapter craze - all the ones I have work, but they fragile and not really elegant solutions to the problem that the AIBs have created. I am sure it lowered the cost of making the boards however.


Anyway - getting back to the 5500x3d, the difference between this and the 5600x3d won't be noticable to the end user - just like there is no noticable difference between a 5950x and a 5900xt - 100Mhz difference between the 2 on base/boost clocks is margin of error.

I would like to get one of these for my travel PC. I have a little PC case with a 5600/B550/RTX 2060m solution (I luv Aliexpress). The 5500x3d would be a nifty upgrade. Or I could just go to a Microcenter and grab a 5600x3d that is sitting at the bottom of the CPU locker.

Just because they don't advertise them doesn't mean they aren't there.