Dolby Vision cares about 12bit, but it also doesn't need anywhere near this bandwidth because it doesn't use 240hz.
DV is usually encoded in 12-bit 4-2-2, but it's delivered in a container for view on 10-bit displays. Commercial display industry will not move to native 12-bit images and content in next decade. It's far away. Beyond 2035.
How? Films don't push anywhere near this bandwidth (low frame rates) and consoles won't push framerates meaningfully higher either - they barely do 60fps now, no way they're jumping to 240hz by next generation.
Current LG OLED is 4K/165Hz and it's forced to use DSC on HDMI 2.1, like any display with image beyond 4K/144Hz 10-bit RGB.
LG and Samsung create in-house HDMI chipsets for their TVs. They will be racing to be the first to release the new ports. Last time, LG beat Samsung in 2019 with 48 Gbps ports. Samsung didn't forget this. Their first TVs with HDMI 2.2 are expected around CES 2027, in time for new consoles and graphics cards with the same ports.
New consoles will target 4K/120 native in popular titles and more with upscaling. Several shooters and other, less demanding games can easily reach 4K/200 and above.
So, if you plan home tech upgrade around 2027 and your gear needs more video bandwidth, make sure you buy devices with the new HDMI 2.2 ports.
Mini DP is just DP my dude. You can get one cable that plugs into standard port monitors. They don't have to have the same form factor plug on both ends lmao. If AMD felt like it they could do USB C to DP. Indeed some vendors do exactly that. But good attempt to paint AMD as perfect, as usual, "oh they segmented bandwidth because gamers would actually prefer lower bandwidth ports for their $1000+ monitors, instead of buying a $10 cable or using the one in the box, instead of limiting high bandwidth to more expensive cards".
Did you actually watch the video that I linked in post 19? If you did, what did you learn from it?
Besides, it's irrelevant for gamers, not only because no monitor vendor at that time offered any displays with DP 2.1 ports, but it's not an issue. AMD was alone in the industry waiting for others to get their act together, including Nvidia and monitor industry in large. A few initial dispays that did come out in 2023 featured only DP40 and DP54 ports. Check it out.
The only cards that were actually able to run fully the image in the most demanding monitor bandwidth-wise, 57-ich Samsung 8K/2K/240Hz, were in fact RDNA3 cards only. Nvidia 4000 card could manage only 120Hz due to limited display heads on DP 1.4. 4090, the then most expensive client card on the planet, couldn't run the monitor at its full image. That was funny.
Only now, with 5000 series, those cards can properly run this monitor. Guess what? It doesn't matter if this monitor runs over DP80 or DP54 port from GPU. In both cases it works as DSC is used.
Gamers have played on 4K/144Hz monitors for years on DP 1.4 ports, and somehow nobody complained that there was not enough bandwidth. So, don't be silly.
I always use DisplayPort that is the superior port, so this is a meaningless move by AMD.
Nonsense. Try using DisplayPort on a large, beautiful 4K OLED TV to play games. Good luck with adapters.
Yeah, I get the explanation and plausible reasons but I also don't think AMD did the right thing here by intentionally limiting the connection speed.
Did you understand the explanation or you pretend to have understood it, since you mentioned the word 'intentionally'?
I have a feeling that several comments I have read in this forum from a few members sound conspiratorial at times, for no apparent reason.
GPUs usually stick around for some time in the market, and disabling this functionality serves no meaningful purpose, especially since inducing upselling when you're AMD is quite the double edged sword: if an user is forced to upgrade their GPU due to an imposed limitation on the display engine, chances are they are going to buy something faster to ensure a better experience at such high resolutions, and AMD does not offer something faster at this point in time.
This is pure nonsense. Could you give an example of an monitor that either RDNA3 or RDNA4 cards cannot display its image fully? I will tell you the answer. There is no such display.
Games have played on 4K/144Hz displays with limited bandwidth on DP 1.4 ports for many years. Have you heard anyone complaining about their experience?
Users are forced to upgrade from Nvidia 4000 to Nvidia 5000 because older cards have DP 1.4 ports and cannot drive fully monitors such as 57-inch Samsung 8K/2K/240Hz. 4090 managed only 120Hz due to display heads limitations. 5000 cards do bring better experience in this monitor because those cards can finally display a full image. Neither RDNA3 nor RDNA4 cards have ever had any issue with this monitor thanks to more bandwidth on DP 2.1 with DSC.
Like I said, I don't claim to know anything about the electrical limitations but, mDP is used in Pro GPUs so they can have 6 display outs, as far as I'm aware. Not because they allow higher stability or bandwidths.
No. You can have six HDMI or six full size DP ports too. It would simply take more space.
If you don't know something, that's fine. Ask questions and we will do our best to answer. The worst thing I always find in tech fora is that many pretend that they know things and rush into superficial judgements.
Good job securing another 5080/5090 sale, I guess?
I hope black screens are sorted out and all ROPs correctly counted.
you can explain to me in this text based forum (not YouTube) how, in your mind, the mini version of a connector couldn't connect to the full size version, considering it's the same standard with the same cable between the connections.
I explained it a few times. Did you read it? Here is again. Initially, physical characteristics of full size DP ports produced too much noise in DP80 signal, and therefore signal integrity was not great. Wendell showed the eye diagram to demonstrate this. DP80 signal would work, but it could produce artifacts, such as snow, smudges, etc. So, the designers of the port needed to go back to a drawing board and procure ports with better materials for such high speed. Mini-DP didn't have this issue. Plus, there was an obvious practical issue with 1 meter cables, as you already know.
So, early days with full speed port were rough due to lack of opportunities to troubleshoot at plug fests that were cancelled during the pandemic.
There is also a reason why DP 2.1 was upgraded from DP 2.1a to DP 2.1b, to allow DP80LL cables.
I mean even if it is impossible, which I'm not discounting the possibility of, just buy a monitor with mini DP?
Very rare in gaming segment. Those are more prevalent for Apple workstations or in professional space, usually at 60Hz.
That's why I said that gamers would have been very upset to see mini-DP on AMD GPUs, or Nvidia cards for that matter, as that port is not popular in mainstream gaming monitors. There would have been a hysterical outcry. You know very well how hysterical and noisy Internet and tech press can be... I can hear it already: "waste of port", "no monitors with mDP", etc.
There was some truth to this. Such cables were commercially unavailable at that time, when RDNA 3 was new. However, equipment to ensure this worked was available and such cables do exist in 2025
Sure, but it will not make a difference in 2025. All connected monitors will work anyway, both on DP54 and DP80 ports. You wouldn't even know which port is connected, unless you looked into EDID to check the digital signage of video signal.
Like Nvidia in 2022, AMD reused PCB with the same video traces on RDNA4 cards. They are designing a new PCB for HDMI 2.2 port and DP80 upgrade. That's more important.
What I know of mDP and DP is that they are only form factors, and otherwise electrically compatible. What I do not know is if there are any peculiar things on RDNA 3 itself that would prevent this from happening, my initial theory is that it's a simple FW lock, but I have no evidence or no substantial knowledge on this subject which is why I am happy to concede here. I've always been an HDMI guy, anyway.
The linked video literally answers this question. It's singal integrity on full size ports. Wendell measured it by specialist equipment that is used for standard testing of cables in the industry.
Yup. 4K360 will exceed DP80's capabilities, as will 8K90, 7680x2160 DUHDs at 165Hz, etc.
Seems extreme now, but eventually these monitors will become commonplace as GPUs start being able to power them
This can all work on today's ports with DSC.