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This discussion also shows how SATA isnt allowed to fully flex as well, SATA's advantage is it can have more pcb space for NAND, I think we could easily have 64TB SATA nand now if they wanted.
But the price segmentation thing is strong. QLC is still no cheaper than TLC as an example. I also have a very hard time thinking a no moving parts storage is not cheaper to manufacture than complex large heavy mechanical drives.
The thing to realise here, its fine to decide to not use SATA anymore for your personal systems, but there is no market benefit to dropping the product availability, as SATA for 90% of use cases is as fast as NVME will be, as 4k i/o is dominant. It wont make NVME cheaper, it isnt holding back NVME availability, those issues are business not technological. We also both clearly on the opposite for board design. I see M.2 as an evil, PCIe slots are about customisation and flexibility, and you can run NVME drives in those slots as well with no cables. M.2 originated for portable devices like laptops and is a bit weird it got used for desktops as well.
If you want heavy NVME capacity, as you absolutely locked in to that been the only form of storage for you, a customer friendly way of doing it is keep the PCIe slots on boards, and use addon cards with multiple M.2 slots on them. This also makes it far more user friendly to swap them in and out. The problem isnt SATA, its the addiction to using M.2 onboard. (on these 500+ USD boards, these cards should be included by default as well)
But remember NVME is not mass storage, you remove SATA, how do consumers add heavy capacity to their systems?
Imagine this.
64TB SATA
16TB NVME
4 NVME possible per PCIe slot.
8 SATA every board.
Now thats impressive.
They wont do that though as enterprise would then buy these parts and profits down the drain.
I agree, it's really a bloody cartel holding the entire industry back. I'm sure even a better solution compared to M.2 would have been found by now.
Nice. You just give 4 reasons why you actually NEED extra PCIe slots. And the X-Fi Titanium is NOT "very old". Is 1000x better than any onboard junk out there, and there is not even a competition. I use 10Gbps Internet for 5 years now, and I might wait for another 5 years until you get 10Gbps network ports integrated into the mobo. Same for USB4.
So?
Agree on it being better, but... it is very old indeed. It was released in September of 2008 from what I could gather, which means that it´s just a smidge under 17 years old. This is a geological age when it comes to computer hardware. High-end motherboards with 10 Gbps NICs and USB 4 are available (not every model, but they are available), and if you're lucky enough to have such a monster link, then I suppose you are probably also lucky enough to get a board like that. I guess what I'm trying to say is, you're part of a niche, and one that we can somewhat work around flexibly by switching a few things to USB and whatnot.
