Intel's Core Ultra 7 265K and 265KF CPUs Dip Below $250

[dgianstefani]

People were saying the same thing about AM4 in the three years leading up to AM5, and here we are 3 years after with AM4 still seeing an occasional release. People just need to buy what available and is in their budget.

Oh here we go.

The "new" release. Tell me what it is?

A slower version (5500X3D) of something that already "released" (5600X3D, in very limited quantities, at a specific physical store). A 2020 architecture.
At some point we need to stop pretending these "new releases" offer anything new.

The last "new" release for the AM4 platform was the 5800X3D in 2022. Everything since then has been a worse version of something that already existed.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Oh here we go.

The "new" release. Tell me what it is?

A slower version of something that already released. A 2020 architecture.
At some point we need to stop pretending these "new releases" offer anything new.

It's also supposed to be a Latam exclusive release. No stores in Brazil carry or have the 5500X3D for preorder as of today (2 weeks since it was first announced), so it's also by all intents and purposes, a paper launch.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

ARL is totally fine, I replaced my 9950X3D with it, good FPS on lows, very consistent frame pacing and cooler..

as long as you tune it properly (4Ghz on Ring, 3.2Ghz on NGU and D2D) and it zooms, Memory overclocking is easy peasy as well..

 

[Tek-Check]

The last "new" release for the AM4 platform was the 5800X3D in 2022. Everything since then has been a worse version of something that already existed.

Oh, please...another nonsense. Is your role to give a negative spin by default? That's how it sounds.

There are literally millions upon millions of PC owners globally who are on old systems released throughout 2010s, both Intel and AMD. For many in Latin America, lower SKUs will be an upgrade to whatever they might have that is older.

Don't be elitist and privileged in comments, as this is exactly how it comes across.

 

[JustBenching]

Oh, please...another nonsense. Is your role to give a negative spin by default? That's how it sounds.

There are literally millions upon millions of PC owners globally who are on old systems released throughout 2010s, both Intel and AMD. For many in Latin America, lower SKUs will be an upgrade to whatever they might have.

Don't be elitist and privileged in comments, as this is exactly how it comes across.

The am4 upgradability for people with decades old systems is useless since they dont have an am4.

Also you are missing his point, these new cpus offer nothing new that you didnt have before.

 

[Tek-Check]

2 weeks since it was first announced), so it's also by all intents and purposes, a paper launch.

And you are sales representative who knows when shipments are due in shops? Right...

It's a small launch anyway. There might be only a few thousand of those. And it's good that such silicon doesn't end in e-waste, but can serve in someone's PC. It doesn't matter if it's from AMD or Intel.

You guys will simply need to get over yourselves and stop this negative spin by default. It's absurd.

The am4 upgradability for people with decades old systems is useless since they dont have an am4.

Also you are missing his point, these new cpus offer nothing new that you didnt have before.

AM4 is on the market from 2017. Plenty of folks in developing countries with Zen1, Zen1+ and Zen2 systems.

Are you missing the point?

Frankly, I am shocked that you guys are able to make a big hoo-ha from something really simple. Depressing pettiness.

 

[JustBenching]

AM4 is on the market from 2017. Plenty of folks in developing countries with Zen1, Zen1+ and Zen2 systems.

Are you missing the point?

Well you mentioned 2010, am4 did not exist. Regardless, you think people are excited by the 5800xts, the 5500x3ds and all these limited edition chips? Are you? I have a zen 2 looking to upgrade, nothing on am4 really makes any sense besides the original zen 4 lineup and the 5700x 3d (personally ill move to a new platform when the time comes). Every other chip is just meeh.

 

[dgianstefani]

Oh, please...another nonsense. Is your role to give a negative spin by default? That's how it sounds.

There are literally millions upon millions of PC owners globally who are on old systems released throughout 2010s, both Intel and AMD. For many in Latin America, lower SKUs will be an upgrade to whatever they might have that is older.

Don't be elitist and privileged in comments, as this is exactly how it comes across.

Here you are again playing word games and twisting meaning out of context.

What part of:

The last "new" release for the AM4 platform was the 5800X3D in 2022. Everything since then has been a worse version of something that already existed.

Is nonsense? This is factual.

Go on. Tell us how something faster than the 5800X3D or 5950X released for AM4 in the time between 2022 and now.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Do you even understand time?

Yup.

Let me frame this. LGA-2011 came out in 2011. When it came out, the premium tier hardware had no M.2. It had a couple of SATA III ports. It had mostly SATA II ports. It had 8 RAM slots...of DDR3 memory. It was the absolute tippy top of the consumer market, because beyond that you were in performance computing. The equivalent to modern HPC. That entire platform had a $600 CPU, a $300 motherboard (in the age of $100 motherboards), had to have either a huge air cooler or water cooling....etc... It was about $1500 before you added any GPU or anything else, noting those 8 memory slots being populated meant basically 0 chance at overclocking.

Sounds beastly.

In 2021 what could I buy? Ryzen 5 series. A 5800x would have set me back $449...assuming I didn't chose the budget champion of the 5600x...the former being 2 physical cores more than the 2011 offering, and the later being the same count, but both were less finicky on running threaded applications. You tack on a board, twice the memory of the 2011 platform in 4 sticks instead of 8, and identify that you suddenly now have 2 M.2 SSDs and the experience is night and day.

Yeah, you could. And by 2021 the 6 core Nehalem would be showing its age and be ready for an upgrade. What's your point?

My point here, for this thread, is that pretending you want to have a CPU and platform for more than about 5 years is silly.

OOOHHHH, its PROJECTION! Gotcha! Just because YOU want to upgrade every 4-5 years means that anyone who says otherwise is pretending! LMFAO.

Just because something is over 5 years old does not mean it is useless. If your CPU platform is not limiting what you are doing, why replace it? My socket AM4 PC is going on 5 years old now, in no way does it feel like it needs replaced, my GPU is the limiting factor in 99% of games.

Why would the lack of AVX prevent you? It's still faster than the 9700x in AVX workloads due to the extra cores. Stockfish and Ycruncher are AVX heavy workloads and the 265k still wipes the floor with the 9700x.

Perhaps he enjoys emulation, where AVX512 on AMD makes a huge difference.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

you think people are excited by the 5800xts, the 5500x3ds

some are "very excited" though personally if you are building a new system in 2025 (and probably beyond, and unless you buy the AM4 platform at a very cheap price, there are entry level builds that are just above the AM4 platform and may perform similar but guarantees you are on a "newer" ish platform), I'd really knock AM4 from my choice, AM5 is also nearing the promised support and Zen6 probably along the horizon, needs a new socket, though AM5 would be legacy platform by that time and AM4 will be slowly negated.

 

[dgianstefani]

some are "very excited" though personally if you are building a new system in 2025 (and probably beyond, and unless you buy the AM4 platform at a very cheap price), I'd really knock AM4 from my choice, AM5 is also nearing the promised support and Zen6 probably along the horizon, needs a new socket, though AM5 would be legacy platform by that time and AM4 will be slowly negated.

Zen 6 was promised to be on AM5, but after that it's a new socket. So again, whatever current Intel or current AMD gives better price/performance for the desired task, I wouldn't look at AM4 at all, even in an upgrade situation (AM5/LGA-1851 is literally cheaper), nor would I consider building a new LGA-1700 system, but upgrade maybe considering discounts and the fact three recent generations have released, so moving from something like a 12600K to a 147/900K would make sense for many workloads).

 

[blinnbanir]

There's one gen left on AM5. That's what, 10-20% perf? Maybe some higher core count options? Looks like there's an ARL refresh too, so.

Prove it. You do realize that not long ago we got a new AM4 chip. Making this statement is certainly not reading the Tea leaves.

 

[dgianstefani]

Prove it. You do realize that not long ago we got a new AM4 chip. Making this statement is certainly not reading the Tea leaves.

"new"

We've been over this. Scroll up.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

but upgrade maybe considering discounts and the fact three recent generations have released, so moving from something like a 12600K to a 147/900K would make sense for many workloads

I'd say the LGA1700 Platform is still a kicker, until Intel sorts it out, the refresh to ARL is just gonna be an NPU speed bump and nothing on the chip design, but overall, I am liking what I am tinkering right now, once really tweaked, its just a few nicks to what my previous (9950x3d+Crosshair X870E Hero+8200MT's CL36 DDR5) platform offers, and once you know how to tap the potential of DLVR on these chips, its cooler and much efficient, I am at 5.7P and 5.1E with just a max of 257w when benching, I hit the numbers I want also most importantly, gaming is back to what my RPL was giving me.

 

[blinnbanir]

"new"

We've been over this. Scroll up.

So that what I can see the 5500X3D? You are proving my point. AMD started with the 1700x all those years ago it is 2025 and we are getting new chips. Please tell me there were no AM4 chips like the 5900XT launched in 2024. To say AM5 will only be 3 generations of chip given that history is in one word daft. Yes those are new Skus whether you like it or not you could not buy a 5500X3D in 2024.

 

[dgianstefani]

So that what I can see the 5500X3D? You are proving my point. AMD started with the 1700x all those years ago it is 2025 and we are getting new chips. Please tell me there were no AM4 chips like the 5900XT launched in 2024. To say AM5 will only be 3 generations of chip given that history is in one word daft. Yes those are new Skus whether you like it or not you could not buy a 5500X3D in 2024.

They're not new chips my dude, as we've been over multiple times. They're literally cut down 5800X3D, a 2020 architecture chip with stacked cache, released in 2022. Nothing about these chips is new, they've even released these lower core count chiplets on servers, years ago. The fact they're only now allowing you to buy bad bins of a five year old architecture and you're calling it "new", is kinda sad.

Furthermore, the likelihood is, just like the "new" 5600X3D, you won't be able to buy one of these "new" 5500X3Ds, as they're regional and likely low volume. Like I said, simply AMD getting rid of bad worse bins with two fused off cores, that can't even do the (already) lowered clocks of the 5600X3D, compared to the 5700/5800X3D, because in LATAM, people are desperate enough to buy anything they can get their hands on.

 

[blinnbanir]

They're not new chips my dude, as we've been over multiple times. They're literally cut down 5800X3D, a 2020 architecture chip with stacked cache, released in 2022. Nothing about these chips is new, they've even released these lower core count chiplets on servers, years ago. The fact they're only now allowing you to buy bad bins of a five year old architecture and you're calling it "new", is kinda sad.

Furthermore, the likelihood is, just like the "new" 5600X3D, you won't be able to buy one of these "new" 5500X3Ds, as they're regional and likely low volume. Like I said, simply AMD getting rid of bad worse bins with two fused off cores, that can't even do the (already) lowered clocks of the 5600X3D, compared to the 5700/5800X3D, because in LATAM, people are desperate enough to buy anything they can get their hands on.

I never said they were new chips but new Skus. You cannot deny that. I do not need to buy one. There is a lot of hubris in your comment about LATAM. The truth is that most of those economies do not support what we pay for parts like the 9800X3D and this is good on AMD. Lisa Su herself said that there are over 127 million AM4 users and that is a great base for sales. I am not going to convince you about how long term AMD users have no issue with long term socket support and appreciate new skus being released for a platform that debuted vs Z270.

 

[dgianstefani]

I never said they were new chips but new Skus. You cannot deny that. I do not need to buy one. There is a lot of hubris in your comment about LATAM. The truth is that most of those economies do not support what we pay for parts like the 9800X3D and this is good on AMD. Lisa Su herself said that there are over 127 million AM4 users and that is a great base for sales. I am not going to convince you about how long term AMD users have no issue with long term socket support and appreciate new skus being released for a platform that debuted vs Z270.

Is that so?

Prove it. You do realize that not long ago we got a new AM4 chip. Making this statement is certainly not reading the Tea leaves.

 

[JustBenching]

I think people are mixing up "new chips" with "better performance". In general, the whole point of "upgradability" on a platform is that said platform will get new chips. Its a good thing because new chips are expected to be better than the chips that already exist. That is precisely not the case with am4, nothing better than the 5950x has been introduced (sure the x3d for games, but thats also a 3 year old chip).

New chips are good cause they offer more performance. When they don't offer more performance who cares that they are new.

 

[dgianstefani]

I think people are mixing up "new chips" with "better performance". In general, the whole point of "upgradability" on a platform is that said platform will get new chips. Its a good thing because new chips are expected to be better than the chips that already exist. That is precisely not the case with am4, nothing better than the 5950x has been introduced (sure the x3d for games, but thats also a 3 year old chip).

New chips are good cause they offer more performance. When they don't offer more performance who cares that they are new.

They are neither new chips (physically the same dies without even a die shrink to new process) nor better performance. So - not "new". Nor are they even notably better in power efficiency, simply being worse bins without the efficiency to hit higher clocks within existing 65 W power limits for the CPU family.

 

[JustBenching]

Perhaps he enjoys emulation, where AVX512 on AMD makes a huge difference.

Does it though? Is the 9700x faster than the 265k in those? Cause stockfish uses avx but the intel part is still substantially faster due to the sheer core count difference.

Honestly amd lineup reminds of my intels kabylake. It supported avx but it was pointless, amd was faster in avx accelerated tasks cause their cpus had twice the corecount of intels cpus. We now have the same in reverse, amd had become the bad intel.

They are neither new chips (physically the same dies without even a die shrink to new process) nor better performance. So - not "new". Nor are they even notably better in power efficiency, simply being worse bins without the efficiency to hit higher clocks within existing 65 W power limits.

Tbf it doesn't even matter even if they were new chips. If they are not faster than what currently exists, they are absolutely pointless whether they are new or not.

As this is an Intel Thread I have nothing more to say.

It has nothing to do with Intel.. Z490 got rocket lake, nobody was excited about those cause it was slower than what they were replacing. Same case with am4. Its literally the amd fanaticism that doesnt let people think clearly.

 

[blinnbanir]

Does it though? Is the 9700x faster than the 265k in those? Cause stockfish uses avx but the intel part is still substantially faster due to the sheer core count difference.

Honestly amd lineup reminds of my intels kabylake. It supported avx but it was pointless, amd was faster in avx accelerated tasks cause their cpus had twice the corecount of intels cpus. We now have the same in reverse, amd had become the bad intel.


Tbf it doesn't even matter even if they were new chips. If they are not faster than what currently exists, they are absolutely pointless whether they are new or not.


It has nothing to do with Intel.. Z490 got rocket lake, nobody was excited about those cause it was slower than what they were replacing. Same case with am4. Its literally the amd fanaticism that doesnt let people think clearly.

If everyone was as affluent as you I guess that makes sense. Yes a 5950X is the fastest AM4 chip but that does not mean every user has a 5950X in their system. There are how many AM4 chips that are slower than the 5500X3D?

 

[JustBenching]

If everyone was as affluent as you I guess that makes sense. Yes a 5950X is the fastest AM4 chip but that does not mean every user has a 5950X in their system. There are how many AM4 chips that are slower than the 5500X3D?

We really need those, let's welcome the 5400x 3d, a 4c chip with 3d cache.

 

[Tek-Check]

Well you mentioned 2010, am4 did not exist. Regardless, you think people are excited by the 5800xts, the 5500x3ds and all these limited edition chips? Are you?

I clearly mentioned 2010s, which signified that decade, not year.

No, I don't think people are particularly excited, as this is a local, limited release. There are peobably just a few thousand units. Another option for someone who wants to keep their old systems alive.

It is you guys making a big deal out of something really small. The negativity is completely blown out of proportion. It's nonsense.

 

[JustBenching]

I clearly mentioned 2010s, which signified that decade, not year.

No, I don't think people are particularly excited, as this is a local, limited release. There are peobably just a few thousand units. Another option for someone who wants to keep their old systems alive.

It is you guys making a big deal out of something really small. The negativity is completely blown out of proportion. It's nonsense.

There is no negativity on my part. Negative would be "this sucks, they shouldn't have released it". Im perfectly neutral, I find them pointless and unexciting.