NVIDIA Launches GeForce RTX 5050 for Desktops and Laptops, Starts at $249

[Visible Noise]

The low end market needs affordable options, this just isn't it at $250, and still needing a pci-e power connector.
Although, it's nvidia so people will defend this as somehow being a "budget" option. The budget market needs a $100-150 card.

Unfortunately AMD isn’t going to give it to you.

 

[jaszy]

The low end market needs affordable options, this just isn't it at $250, and still needing a pci-e power connector.
Although, it's nvidia so people will defend this as somehow being a "budget" option. The budget market needs a $100-150 card.

As much as that would be nice, external cost for PCI 5.0 signaling (layer count) and general inflation kind of skewed that price segmentation.

Prob looking at $200 USD best case scenario for a card like this. Assuming die is sub <150mm2

 

[Calicifer]

Hence, the need for even lower end model without power connector and fancy coolers. Though, don't forget to inflation adjust your expectations. It is ridiculous to hear people pulling up pricing from a decade ago.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

Price sucks, everyone's saying it, no need to elaborate.

What I find suckier is the rigidity of the power envelope for this card. This is in an excellent position to slip into the slot-powered space with specialty AIB cards (though trying to make those distinct from the plug-powered variants may be a difficult task), yet everyone's stuck on ~130W. When the price and power envelope are not significantly far off from even a brand-new 5060, what's the point?

 

[Hecate91]

As much as that would be nice, external cost for PCI 5.0 signaling (layer count) and general inflation kind of skewed that price segmentation.

Prob looking at $200 USD best case scenario for a card like this. Assuming die is sub <150mm2

Anything below x80 tier doesn't need PCI-e 5.0, even $200 would be better for this card but thats still a massive stretch when this card is worth $150 at the most, and the 5060 is just $50 more, the 5050 is simply an upsell to the 5060 and doesn't make any sense unless it could be slot powered.
The die size is mostly irrelevant at this tier as the x50 and x60 are the leftover scraps, yet Nvidia is making loads of profit from these tiny dies with their 75% profit margins.

 

[LastDudeALive]

The die size is mostly irrelevant at this tier as the x50 and x60 are the leftover scraps, yet Nvidia is making loads of profit from these tiny dies with their 75% profit margins.

What do you mean they're the "leftover scraps?" The RTX 5050 maxes out the GB 207 die and the 5060-Ti maxes out the GB206 die. And with the expected volume of the 5060, I don't imagine it's all defective GB206 dies either, there's probably a good number of quality dies that nevertheless get cut down to make 5060 stock.

Also, the profit on any GeForce card is irrelevant to Nvidia at this point. They can make literally 10x more money for a professional RTX card instead of a GeForce card with exact same chip, and 100x more money if they turned that silicon into a datacenter chip instead. Their GeForce line is practically a charity, if you look at what else that silicon could be used for.

 

[jaszy]

Anything below x80 tier doesn't need PCI-e 5.0, even $200 would be better for this card but thats still a massive stretch when this card is worth $150 at the most, and the 5060 is just $50 more, the 5050 is simply an upsell to the 5060 and doesn't make any sense unless it could be slot powered.
The die size is mostly irrelevant at this tier as the x50 and x60 are the leftover scraps, yet Nvidia is making loads of profit from these tiny dies with their 75% profit margins.

Maybe doesn't need it, but the signaling is still configured as x8 via PCI 5.0 per GPU die. Still needs to hit proper noise levels..

And no, It's not irrelevant when TSMC charges 20K per wafer in 2025. NVIDIA is just extending pre Samsung 8 margins and passing on to the consumer. The rest is monetary inflation.

PCB layer count, Smart Power Stages (might be high/low side on 5050 to be fair), DP2.1B and HDMI 2.1B specification.. Things add up..

Same thing on AMD side... Without kickbacks lowering the 9060XT 16GB to $350, these cards are innately being pushed up to $420-440 USD by every vendor on the market.

Ex: ASUS webstore:

If you haven't realized by now, NVIDIA and AMD are pricing SM/CU count. Generational rasterization is being sacked for AI.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Idk man

Exactly right.

They're just intentionally wasting TSMC 4N wafers to make a GPU that nobody will buy

That is you not understanding the greater scope of the world market.

 

[LastDudeALive]

Exactly right.

That is you not understand the greater scope of the world market.

r/whoosh

 

[Prima.Vera]

Actually European prices are around 1:1 conversion. You have to multiply MSRP with exchange ratio and then sales tax. In EU regions where sales tax is high, it costs more, but in some regions it can be about the same.

Then there is an issue or perk that Nvidia availability is often better. You can find plenty of stock and Nvidia puts their GPUs at 'competitive prices'. In this case, they just mirror MSRP in Europe too. For example, 60s series cards always start at 300 euros at the cheapest and then you pay whatever percentage your retailer wants on top of what he gets. Though, that is not the case for their high end which often is slightly more expensive than they should be.

Agreed that is 1:1, but in EU they never sell at MSRP due to callous customs tariffs, import taxes, VAT taxes and then the extra store taxes.

 

[lexluthermiester]

r/whoosh

Nothing but net...

 

[LastDudeALive]

Nothing but net...

Do you genuinely not understand I was agreeing with you?

Idk man, I'm a random guy on the internet and I think the $3 trillion company is totally wrong about the largest market for gaming GPUs. They're just intentionally wasting TSMC 4N wafers to make a GPU that nobody will buy, instead of making a bazillion $ by turning them into GB200 chips. It's obvious they haven't done any market research or anything, there's absolutely 0 logic behind their decisions.

This is painfully obvious sarcasm. Have you seen a joke before?

 

[Ruru]

250USD/EUR for a 1080p low capable card? Nvidia doesn't even try to hide that they don't give a crap about consumer market anymore.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Do you genuinely not understand I was agreeing with you?

This is painfully obvious sarcasm. Have you seen a joke before?

This is an internet forum, a TEXT based system of communication. Vocal inflections do not work here because(tada) this is WRITTEN form of language. Only you can know what's going on in your head.

250USD/EUR for a 1080p low capable card? Nvidia doesn't even try to hide that they don't give a crap about consumer market anymore.

1080p low? Are YOU joking too?

Um, all of the card surrounding the 5050 in that list are cards that can do much better than 1080p low. Come on man, you're better and smarter than that nay-sayer nonsense.

 

[jaszy]

To be fair, that's just a placeholder page. It's prob ~4060 level in raster based on ADA vs Blackwell vs actual SM count. That projection is a bit weaker.

130W 5050 @ 20 SM vs 115W 4060 @ 24 SM.

Relatively 250W 5070 @ 48 SM = 220W 4070 SUPER @ 56 SM.

Both have a similar percentage gap per SM. 83.33-85.7%

 

[Hecate91]

This is a 1080p low card, the x50 cards are always a just barely enough to play games sort of cards. And the joke is it's only 9% faster than a GTX 1070 from 9 years ago.

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

This is a 1080p low card, the x50 cards are always a just barely enough to play games sort of cards. And the joke is it's only 9% faster than a GTX 1070 from 9 years ago.

Is the joke also that it costs way less than a 1070 ever did?

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Nobody can build a high performance chip without accepting their pricing.

WoW, this absolutely excluded CPU Architecture designer experience and creativity. Only the lithography node dictate everything. Do you sure?

 

[Hecate91]

Is the joke also that it costs way less than a 1070 ever did?

The 5050 costing less than a 1070 ever did isn't a pro for defending the $250 price tag for an x50 card.

WoW, this absolutely excluded CPU Architecture designer experience and creativity. Only the lithography node dictate everything. Do you sure?

It's nvidia, people always use the node as an excuse for stupidly high pricing.
But yeah, with CPU's the node advances yet prices have gone down or stayed the same.

 

[Ruru]

1080p low? Are YOU joking too?
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Um, all of the card surrounding the 5050 in that list are cards that can do much better than 1080p low. Come on man, you're better and smarter than that nay-sayer nonsense.

Well, I maybe overshot with that claim, but 250EUR for an entry-level card is a total joke.

And when the laptop model has way faster VRAM is also something I can't understand, but I'm sure that there will be a refresh with better VRAM later, wouldn't be the first time for a low/mid-end card to have that.

 

[Visible Noise]

It's nvidia, people always use the node as an excuse for stupidly high pricing

What’s your excuse for AMD’s stupidly high pricing?

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

The 5050 costing less than a 1070 ever did isn't a pro for defending the $250 price tag for an x50 card.

It's nvidia, people always use the node as an excuse for stupidly high pricing.
But yeah, with CPU's the node advances yet prices have gone down or stayed the same.

Funny....the 3050 was released at 250$ MSRP were you as angry and pissed off back then?

 

[jaszy]

What’s your excuse for AMD’s stupidly high pricing?

TSMC go brrr.

But yea, dude is also ignoring consumer inflation and requirements to build a modern GPU. PCI 5.0 requires more strict noise levels... Typically requiring more PCB layers and better EE to ensure stability..

It's currently impossible to sell a 9060XT and 9070XT at MSRP. AMD is giving vendors kickbacks.

 

[lexluthermiester]

To be fair, that's just a placeholder page. It's prob ~4060 level in raster based on ADA vs Blackwell vs actual SM count. That projection is a bit weaker.

130W 5050 @ 20 SM vs 115W 4060 @ 24 SM.

Relatively 250W 5070 @ 48 SM = 220W 4070 SUPER @ 56 SM.

Both have a similar percentage gap per SM. 83.33-85.7%

You're missing the point, or you're deliberately trolling. The point is that the 5050 is performing on the same level as cards that perform better than 1080p low. Additionally, this card performs MUCH better than 3050, which is itself a very good 1080p card.

Well, I maybe overshot with that claim

Just a bit. Hell, a 3050 is an solid 1080p card, so a 5050 is going to be a big step up.

but 250EUR for an entry-level card is a total joke.

I'm not going to argue price. It's very tired debate and there's little we can do about it.

And when the laptop model has way faster VRAM is also something I can't understand, but I'm sure that there will be a refresh with better VRAM later, wouldn't be the first time for a low/mid-end card to have that.

Can't debate that point as I haven't looked into it very deeply.

 

[jaszy]

You're missing the point, or you're deliberately trolling. The point is that the 5050 is performing on the same level as cards that perform better than 1080p low. Additionally, this card performs MUCH better than 3050, which is itself a very good 1080p card.

I'm indirectly saying it's a class above the cards the TPU database compares it to.. Which would obviously favor your argument... lol

Either way, it's gonna be a hard sell regardless considering you can just buy a 5060 with 10 more SM units for $50 more ($299 MSRP). I think NVIDIA could have gotten away with $200-230 if the die is small enough, but I digress.

8G RTX 5050 = 20 SM @ $250 (320gb/s)
8G RTX 5060 = 30 SM @ $300 (448gb/s)
8G/16G RTX 5060 TI = 36 SM @ $380/$430 (448gb/s)


Relative SM per price: (SM/MSRP)

5050 =0.08
5060 = 0.1
8G 5060 TI = 0.094
16G 5060 TI = 0.083
5070 = 0.087
5070 TI = 0.093
5080 = 0.084
5090 = 0.088

Highlighted cards offer the most SM per $, bar driver optimization. Blackwell seems to "Sweetspot" raster around 5070 class based on W1zzards latest review when looking at "Performance per MSRP"

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9060-xt-pulse-oc/35.html. Bottom of page.

tl;dr: everything is relative.