Windows 12 Delayed as Microsoft Prepares Windows 11 25H2 Update

[chrcoluk]

Microsoft haven't made a new OS since Windows Vista. They are incapable of anything other than a service pack and a slight visual tweak today.

You think the 11 UI is a slight visual tweak? the change was so big, it put me of changing quickly. I think they also rewritten the taskbar UI code as before it was based on IE legacy code.

I get your point about Vista though, that was a proper OS update.

This is all important because major build updates even if its by name only, affect vendor support for the OS.

 

[Onasi]

It's still based on Windows Vista dude! Yes, it is very bug fixed and improved from those days, but it's still an ancient architecture will a million patches to make it work.

It’s an evolution of the NT 6.0, yes. I hardly see it as a problem. That’s just how tech works and modern NT kernel had a ton of changes in the years that passed. If it works fine (and it does) there is very little reason for MS to start from scratch. Iterative development is a valid way of doing things.

 

[TheGeekn°72]

I know right. You would think that MS would be too embarrassed to release a version of Windows ever again.

embarrassed ? from making billions ? did you really think mega corps ever felt embarrassment ? just look at google, removing the "don't be evil" motto or apple, for the very existence of the i16e
the day a megacorp feels embarrassed from something, I need to be the first on premises to witness it with my own eyes

They will very likely be demanding a 40+tops npu for windows 12
So zen 6 and nova lake minimum.

something I find terribly hypocritical from them is partnering with HW makers who they know inflate their prices like crazy, making generational renewal very expensive and highly paywalled then go and make a new version requiring those new specs that a lot can't buy and then wonder "hmmmm, Win11 is doing badly, I wonder why... oh well, let's ready up Win12 for an incoming release in the next 1-3 years, surely if we ask for even more recent specs that shall proceed better this time"

I'm preparing my self & wallet to jump on macOS in 2026.
Got really tired from all the crap from Windows & desktop linux, enough is enough.

of all things you could do to escape Microsoft's ecosystem, you're choosing to engage into Apple's ??? my gamer in Gaben, Linux is right there !

The last Win 11 is nothing by a crappy OS compared to Win 10, and especially Win 7.
Hopefully they will significantly reduce the memory and CPU footprint. Is ridiculous how much RAM the latest OS consumes, also CPU cycles, all for totally useless background processes that a normal user doesn't absolutely need at all.

I genuinely don't get all the stuff you're describing, I had a laptop on Win10, the damn thing ate up to 9GB of RAM on the OS alone, I switched to Win11, it loaded faster, used 30% less RAM worked overall better so I'm really confused every time someone praises Win10 over Win11, did you guys actually use Win11 long enough to evaluate it properly ?

I can run windows games on Linux and they are faster with more stability the only reason I still use windows is anticheat.

Linux isn't perfect but it's a better option for almost everything. Yes it's got issues and it's not beginner friendly and I don't like it everything is more difficult but at least it doesn't force features on me I do not want and doesn't stalk me. I don't see Linux as getting better I see windows as getting worse and that's by their own choice.

Once Microsoft stops the removal of telemetry and features by hooking them into everything preventing me from creating a cleaned ISO I'll just switch to Linux and forget about the software it won't run.

Personally, the only thing stopping me is one or two games with anticheat and even then, I don't play those that often anymore, the actual issue is streaming, I could port over... 70% ? of my software suite but the last 30% do handle critical things for QoS/L in chat and on screen so I can't move yet... But as soon as an alternative appears or they get a Linux port, I'm making the jump and relegating Win11 to the occasional dual boot

 

[TechLurker]

I want Win12 to be good; like 7 was to Vista, or 10 was to 8, or XP was to 2000. I'm hoping they make it leaner and more efficient, based on the early work done with the Xbox Ally's customized, gaming-oriented, Win11 OS, where processes can be stopped/frozen when not in use and restarted extremely quickly, allowing for far lower idle overhead, and also being able to suspend apps more easily.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I want Win12 to be good; like 7 was to Vista

That would be fricken amazing! But we're talking about modern microsoft, so....

 

[Pizderko]

Xbox Ally's customized, gaming-oriented, Win11 OS

Sorry, but that's WCOS based on UWP not Win11 OS.

 

[Vayra86]

They never said that. Members of the press said it and everyone just went with it but microsoft never made that statement.

Yes, they did say it. It was in the days of a supposed 'continuum' and 'One Windows'.
10 was going to be 'the one'
'The last Windows you'll ever buy' 'And hey, its even free if you are upgrading'

They were in damage control mode after the hilarious release of 8 and its identity crisis as a tablet-desktop OS.

 

[Pizderko]

Yes, they did say it. It was in the days of a supposed 'continuum' and 'One Windows'.
10 was going to be 'the one'
'The last Windows you'll ever buy' 'And hey, its even free if you are upgrading'

If I'm not wrong it was Satya Nadella himself.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If I'm not wrong it was Satya Nadella himself.

Citation or it never happened.
(hint, you can't post a confirmed quote because he never said it)

 

[Vayra86]

Citation or it never happened.
(hint, you can't post a confirmed quote because he never said it)

It wasn't Satya, but it was definitely Microsoft and not press making something up. The idea was clear: Windows As A Service, and therefore, no need for further OS versions. It matters what was said when, too 2015 was the year Microsoft was selling us their free upgrade to Windows 10 which made sense because they were going to go service-based instead of purchase based. Additionally, this aligns with the overall strategy that Satya himself did lay out for Microsoft: service and Azure integration, Office 365, etc.

At the 2015 Ignite conference, Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the "last version of Windows", a statement reflecting the company's intent to apply the software as a service business model to Windows, with new versions and updates to be released over an indefinite period.

Followed by:

In 2021, however, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 would be succeeded on compatible hardware by Windows 11—and that Windows 10 support will end on October 14, 2025, marking a departure from what had been dubbed "Windows as a service"

Windows 10 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Everything else you read is just damage control on the part of Microsoft.

 

[Onasi]

At the 2015 Ignite conference, Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the "last version of Windows", a statement reflecting the company's intent to apply the software as a service business model to Windows, with new versions and updates to be released over an indefinite period.

I mean… technically? 11 started out as 10X and is still reading out by a lot of programs and was for a while by SysInfo as Windows 10 x64, so… one can argue we are still in the same 10 era, not like public facing marketing brand names mean a lot. And 11 was a free update for everyone on 10, so I am not sure that the idea of an “end of Windows as a Service” tracks.

 

[Chomiq]

"Windows 10 will be the last Windows"

That statement from several years ago aged very well.

They meant to say "Will be the last windows you'll want to use"

 

[Ruru]

They meant to say "Will be the last windows you'll want to use"

Naah I updated to Win11 few weeks after its release, just wanted to see from others that is it problematic. Win10 was in daily use since its release date.

 

[texh]

I want Win12 to be good; like 7 was to Vista, or 10 was to 8, or XP was to 2000. I'm hoping they make it leaner and more efficient, based on the early work done with the Xbox Ally's customized, gaming-oriented, Win11 OS, where processes can be stopped/frozen when not in use and restarted extremely quickly, allowing for far lower idle overhead, and also being able to suspend apps more easily.

We can only hope. They can just bring back the service pack and get done with updates.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It wasn't Satya, but it was definitely Microsoft and not press making something up. The idea was clear: Windows As A Service, and therefore, no need for further OS versions. It matters what was said when, too 2015 was the year Microsoft was selling us their free upgrade to Windows 10 which made sense because they were going to go service-based instead of purchase based. Additionally, this aligns with the overall strategy that Satya himself did lay out for Microsoft: service and Azure integration, Office 365, etc.

At the 2015 Ignite conference, Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the "last version of Windows", a statement reflecting the company's intent to apply the software as a service business model to Windows, with new versions and updates to be released over an indefinite period.

Followed by:

In 2021, however, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 would be succeeded on compatible hardware by Windows 11—and that Windows 10 support will end on October 14, 2025, marking a departure from what had been dubbed "Windows as a service"

Windows 10 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Everything else you read is just damage control on the part of Microsoft.

I'm not disputing any of that. Hell, I alluded to it earlier in the thread. What never happened was microsoft, or any one working for them, claiming that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows ever. That notion is absolute bunk.

 

[Vayra86]

I'm not disputing any of that. Hell, I alluded to it earlier in the thread. What never happened was microsoft, or any one working for them, claiming that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows ever. That notion is absolute bunk.

Well, the definition of 'version' is up for interpretation, that's the problem I think W10 22H2 is also a version.
Both in MS board rooms and consumer's minds, too.

I do think MS has envisioned Windows 'with services' as the endgame for the OS, its still true to this date and keeps proliferating.

And then the whole thing comes full circle... because by 'interpreting' new versions as new numbers of OS (11, 12 etc)... they also create a legal ground to keep presenting us a new EULA, slowly eating up privileges you thought you had and turning them into money, all while being able to cut users off from support as well in due time so they have to agree to the new EULA.

Technically nobody needs a version 11. Legally, Microsoft does need 11. And then 12. And 13.

Basically the consumer gets taken hard in every conceivable hole by MS because of this approach. We now have an OS presented as 'a service' without a key quality of what a service really is, which is that it doesn't expire. And the service really doesn't expire... MS just tells you to apply for it again in the next OS version... which is the same thing with a new number stuck to it.

 

[Demoniachun]

For Windows 12 you will need a CPU which one will be released as the same year like Windows 12. So you can throw out you Co-pilot+ PC and buy Co-pilot+++. §-)

 

[Onasi]

For Windows 12 you will need a CPU which one will be released as the same year like Windows 12. So you can throw out you Co-pilot+ PC and buy Co-pilot+++. §-)

Because, famously, Windows is stringent with CPU requirements. Oh wait, only with 24H2 the support for nearly 20 year old hardware was dropped. What an absolute tragedy.
In short - no, anything halfway modern can easily run current versions of Windows and that isn’t going to change.