AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Gains 9% Performance at 1440p with Latest Driver, Beats RTX 5070 Ti

[RinSenpai]

If so then Nvidia won by a country mile with their driver issues that after ten hotfixes still plague 50 series by looking at their forums.
AMD drivers were and are very good. Even at launch. If the main problem with driver is performance (that no one even noticed) then that's much easier thing to add later than first trying to resolve issues and stabilize the card.

My main issue with AMD drivers is that we're playing lottery for anything using OpenGL. AMD, as far as my testing goes, can break OpenGL compatibility on Windows within a single update, and we (mostly Minecraft players) already know they just don't care about OpenGL on Windows and prefer focusing on the more modern Vulkan and Linux as a whole.

 

[JustBenching]

Lol, it's the 50-series that now has problems with stability.

Have you seen the megathread on amds reddit with thousands of users experiencing a variety of issues?

My main issue with AMD drivers is that we're playing lottery for anything using OpenGL. AMD, as far as my testing goes, can break OpenGL compatibility on Windows within a single update, and we (mostly Minecraft players) already know they just don't care about OpenGL on Windows and prefer focusing on the more modern Vulkan and Linux as a whole.

What im doing is I keep different versions of drivers around and clean installing them depending on what I want to play. It's not a great solution but it will have to do until I move to an nvidia laptop. Some older games though don't work at all no matter the drivers so there is that.

 

[Tomorrow]

Lol, it's the 50-series that now has problems with stability.

I argued with him in another topic before seeing the pointlessness and ignored him. He's basing his opinion on a single reddit thread that from 9070 launch as only a few thousand replies and not all of those are exclusively AMD driver problems. And that's worldwide. If his best example is a few thousand posts divided by separate issues across four month's then id' say that very low bar to claim "see, AMD has driver issues too".
Of course they do have issues. No software is perfect. But there are no major issues. Drivers are stable.

My main issue with AMD drivers is that we're playing lottery for anything using OpenGL. AMD, as far as my testing goes, can break OpenGL compatibility on Windows within a single update, and we (mostly Minecraft players) already know they just don't care about OpenGL on Windows and prefer focusing on the more modern Vulkan and Linux as a whole.

OpenGL is old games. Considering the small amount of games using that i understand why it's not a priority. From my own testing i've found much bigger performance deficit in older DX11 titles. Not stability problems. Just performance that should be higher given the hardware performance in DX12/Vulkan.

 

[Daven]

Have you seen the megathread on amds reddit with thousands of users experiencing a variety of issues?

Again, please stop with the misinformation. If there is any "megathread" for AMD driver problems as you say, then there is a "megathread" times 10 for Nvidia. Nvidia 50 series driver problems have been widely reported and confirmed by Nvidia themselves.

The reality for everyone here who isn't constantly trying to win the internet is that Nvidia and AMD drivers are about the same as far as bugs and 'stability' (whatever that means). Each launch of a new series can bring a variety of problems for all companies. While there were massive problems at launch, even Intel drivers are nominally the same as far as bugs and 'stability'.

 

[JustBenching]

then there is a "megathread" times 10 for Nvidia.

I hope there is, since it has 10 times the marketshare, it would make sense

What's the misinformation though?

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

I wouldn't fawn over this since its HWUB..lol..(fine wine in just months? we clearly know/knew NVIDIA has been under the rug recently)

 

[RinSenpai]

Have you seen the megathread on amds reddit with thousands of users experiencing a variety of issues?


What im doing is I keep different versions of drivers around and clean installing them depending on what I want to play. It's not a great solution but it will have to do until I move to an nvidia laptop. Some older games though don't work at all no matter the drivers so there is that.

That's what I used to do until chipset updates came to my laptop(s) (AMD CPU, Nvidia GPU for 2 of them) and considered these old drivers as Corrupted every single time I DDU'd latest versions for older ones.

 

[Daven]

I hope there is, since it has 10 times the marketshare, it would make sense

What's the misinformation though?

As others and myself have constantly argued with you, there is no discernible difference on the whole between AMD and Nvidia drivers. We understand that you are an Nvidia fan and want to win arguments on the internet in their favor. We get it. Boy do we get it. But it's information to try and say that AMD is WORSE than Nvidia drivers when that is not the case.

Again for the rest of everyone here, there are drivers and there are features. AMD=Nvidia=Intel for drivers. Sometimes one of three might have more problems than the others relative to market share during the release of a new series. Nvidia has much better features such as super sampling and frame generation. These features have nothing to do with drivers as they require supporting hardware and game development.

 

[Chomiq]

Have you seen the megathread on amds reddit with thousands of users experiencing a variety of issues?

Don't need to, I've had my buddy encounter black screen issue with a 5090 and myself yesterday having unstable undervolt on the latest driver with a 30 series.

 

[ThomasK]

Again, please stop with the misinformation. If there is any "megathread" for AMD driver problems as you say, then there is a "megathread" times 10 for Nvidia. Nvidia 50 series driver problems have been widely reported and confirmed by Nvidia themselves.

The reality for everyone here who isn't constantly trying to win the internet is that Nvidia and AMD drivers are about the same as far as bugs and 'stability' (whatever that means). Each launch of a new series can bring a variety of problems for all companies. While there were massive problems at launch, even Intel drivers are nominally the same as far as bugs and 'stability'.

Are you honestly still wasting your time with that kid? He's bitter 'cause he dislikes his Amd laptop, so he thinks he can speak on behalf of every Amd product out there, like he owned all of them.

Just hit the ignore button and move on. Rest assured no one here takes anything he says into consideration. He's beyond help.

 

[JustBenching]

That's what I used to do until chipset updates came to my laptop(s) (AMD CPU, Nvidia GPU for 2 of them) and considered these old drivers as Corrupted every single time I DDU'd latest versions for older ones.

Rollback the chipset updates then

You don't need 10s of drivers though, I only have 3 released on the desktop ready to install.

Don't need to, I've had my buddy encounter black screen issue with a 5090 and myself yesterday having unstable undervolt on the latest driver with a 30 series.

Unstable undervolts sounds like a driver issue. Wait for new drivers, im sure it will fix it.

 

[Daven]

Are you honestly still wasting your time with that kid? He's bitter 'cause he dislikes his Amd laptop, so he thinks he can speak on behalf of every Amd product out there, like he owned all of them.

Just hit the ignore button and move on. Rest assured no one here takes anything he says into consideration. He's beyond help.

What you say is true and very good advice. But there is still a need to make sure others don't fall for his misinformation from time to time. I'll take it on myself this time to make sure no one buys his crap.

 

[JustBenching]

As others and myself have constantly argued with you, there is no discernible difference on the whole between AMD and Nvidia drivers. We understand that you are an Nvidia fan and want to win arguments on the internet in their favor. We get it. Boy do we get it. But it's information to try and say that AMD is WORSE than Nvidia drivers when that is not the case.

Again for the rest of everyone here, there are drivers and there are features. AMD=Nvidia=Intel for drivers. Sometimes one of three might have more problems than the others relative to market share during the release of a new series. Nvidia has much better features such as super sampling and frame generation. These features have nothing to do with drivers as they require supporting hardware and game development.

Did I say there is a discernible difference? Man what are you on about? I asked if amd has patched up their issues in an AMD thread. Then people start spamming me about nvidias driver issues as if that was part of the topic? What the hell man, seriously, I don't get what the hell are you quoting me for.

Honestly, do you actually go around and quote every person that says "nvidia drivers have issues" telling them they all have issues or are you just doing it to people saying amd drivers have issues? Cause clearly, you are the one that seems to be supportive of one brand over the other. Please, show me a similar reply that you made, quoting someone that said "nvidia has bad drivers" telling them how they all have bad drivers and ill eat my shoe

 

[Zendou]

I hope there is, since it has 10 times the marketshare, it would make sense

What's the misinformation though?

The person is pointing out that going to something specific like that is likely to have implicit bias. That would then make the information less reliable and that leads to the statement of misinformation.

 

[JustBenching]

The person is pointing out that going to something specific like that is likely to have implicit bias. That would then make the information less reliable and that leads to the statement of misinformation.

Maybe, but then you can handwave any and all complaints about bugs and driver issues.

 

[Daven]

Did I say there is a discernible difference? Man what are you on about? I asked if amd has patched up their issues in an AMD thread. Then people start spamming me about nvidias driver issues as if that was part of the topic? What the hell man, seriously, I don't get what the hell are you quoting me for.

Honestly, do you actually go around and quote every person that says "nvidia drivers have issues" telling them they all have issues or are you just doing it to people saying amd drivers have issues? Cause clearly, you are the one that seems to be supportive of one brand over the other. Please, show me a similar reply that you made, quoting someone that said "nvidia has bad drivers" telling them how they all have bad drivers and ill eat my shoe

This article is about improved RDNA4 performance, and you come out of nowhere trolling about 'stability' issues. So either link us to a professional article (not a reddit thread) that shows testing that proves stability issues or stop with the nonsense.

Here is an example. I started this thread showing improved performance from two different TPU reviews at two different times to corroborate what Hardware Unboxed found. Now you can post an article showing AMD stability problems as a counter to these performance improvements. I am willing to read or watch the link you send but again it can't be a reddit thread as there is no way to verify what's being said is true.

 

[JustBenching]

This article is about improved RDNA4 performance, and you come out of nowhere trolling about 'stability' issues. So either link us to a professional article (not a reddit thread) that shows testing that proves stability issues or stop with the nonsense.

Here is an example. I started this thread showing improved performance from two different TPU reviews at two different times. Now you can post an article showing AMD stability problems as a counter to these performance improvements. I am willing to read or watch the link you send but again it can't be a reddit thread.

So you are only playing defense when someone points out at the amd driver issues but ignore it when someone points out the nvidia driver issues. Yet you have the audacity to call others fanboys. Gotcha, im out, not gonna reply to this any further.

 

[TheGeekn°72]

Maybe it's already done in which case I was just not aware so sorry if it's already the case but but how realistic could it be for TPU to bench cards regularly every now and then after a few driver releases to see if the Relative Performance Chart shifts ? I'm also curious to see if it could be possible to see a *per cards/series* Relative Performance Chart, with graduation say, every semester, showing the performance uplift

I know it would be quite the task to do something like that but I think there could be value in documenting and publishing this kind of information to help appropriately inform people about driver quality on top of card performance

 

[RinSenpai]

Rollback the chipset updates then

You don't need 10s of drivers though, I only have 3 released on the desktop ready to install.

I can't. Neither AMD nor Lenovo/HP provides them, and full reset to factory does nothing about that.

 

[JustBenching]

Maybe it's already done in which case I was just not aware so sorry if it's already the case but but how realistic could it be for TPU to bench cards regularly every now and then after a few driver releases to see if the Relative Performance Chart shifts ? I'm also curious to see if it could be possible to see a *per cards/series* Relative Performance Chart, with graduation say, every semester, showing the performance uplift

I know it would be quite the task to do something like that but I think there could be value in documenting and publishing this kind of information to help appropriately inform people about driver quality on top of card performance

They are doing that already, when new cards release they rebench everything with newest drivers afaik. @W1zzard can shed some light

A 5050 review is upcoming, so he'll probably use newest drivers.

 

[Daven]

So you are only playing defense when someone points out at the amd driver issues but ignore it when someone points out the nvidia driver issues. Yet you have the audacity to call others fanboys. Gotcha, im out, not gonna reply to this any further.

Sorry we couldn't come to an understanding but I will repeat, drivers are basically good from all three companies (Nvidia, AMD, Intel). Complaints about drivers come up from time to time for ALL companies. It just happens that this time around there were complaints found by independent reviewers for the 50 series (black screens). Nvidia confirmed these complaints and started issuing driver fixes like any good company should do. If somehow I implied in this thread or past threads that one company has better drivers over another, I apologize, because that is just not the case.

Typically, my posts are about debunking the idea that one company's drivers are better than another's. Since the FUD surrounding AMD drivers was so venomous and false, some of this debunking could look like bias. Again I apologize if that seems the case to some of you here but I mainly get complaints everytime from the same three people: two TPU readers and one TPU staff member.

 

[jnv11]

I am wondering if this is a result of AMD’s driver team learning how to take advantage of RDNA 4’s better scheduling hardware.

Apparently the scheduling hardware in RDNA 3 and earlier stall the pipeline to handle false dependencies, wasting the GPU compute hardware’s time. Nvidia and Intel use software instruction scheduling in the driver, and the software drivers do a better job scheduling instructions to not be stalled by false dependencies than RDNA 3 and earlier. This could be one reason why Nvidia and Intel could have higher driver overhead than AMD does, but the overhead pays off with less wasted GPU time. RDNA 4 fixes this scheduling problem.

Source: https://chipsandcheese.com/p/rdna-4s-out-of-order-memory-accesses

 

[JustBenching]

I am wondering if this is a result of AMD’s driver team learning how to take advantage of RDNA 4’s better scheduling hardware.

Apparently the scheduling hardware in RDNA 3 and earlier stall the pipeline to handle false dependencies, wasting the GPU compute hardware’s time. Nvidia and Intel use software instruction scheduling in the driver, and the software drivers do a better job scheduling instructions to not be stalled by false dependencies than RDNA 3 and earlier. This could be one reason why Nvidia and Intel could have higher driver overhead than AMD does, but the overhead pays off with less wasted GPU time. RDNA 4 fixes this scheduling problem.

Source: https://chipsandcheese.com/p/rdna-4s-out-of-order-memory-accesses

Probably is the case, since the performance doesn't seem to carry over to 4k.

 

[jnv11]

For those who prefer the video’s contents in written article form, see https://www.techspot.com/review/3008-radeon-9070-xt-amd-finewine/ .

 

[Dr. Dro]

I really dislike this clickbait stunt HUB pulled. We forgetting the 9070 XT was losing to the 4070 Super at CS?