Intel Plans "Arrow Lake Refresh" for H2 2025 with Higher Clocks and Upgraded NPU

[phanbuey]

This sums up my experience as a whole with AMD and Radeon in general lol.. I appreciate influencers in the way they're promoting competition between companies but at the end of the day they do not use these CPUs day to day and just pump numbers for content.. which is ironic because they're all chasing 3D Mark scores with Intel CPUs as we speak . I hope Intel lowers pricing on Nova Lake based on all the bad rep they got with the Arrow Lake launch, I would be the minority to say that Intel still has the more sophisticated CPU and smoother Platform based on my testing.

I have them here side by side, and honestly the AMD platform CAN be smoother and faster, but my god it does take a ton of FAFO - super clean system install, a specific bios, and a heavily tuned windows and then yes -- it is good. The influencers make it sound like you "plug it in and its awesome". It is not. This is backed up by the 100+ reddit threads of 'muh 9800x3d stutters', and the dozens of TPU "random stutter with AMx setup, can't figure it out".

900 settings later i discovered windows has something called "MPO" as part of the DWM and if you disable it on the 9800x3d it stops the random microstutter and Gsync screen flashing...

When I tested with the Intel system - didn't even reinstall windows, I didn't install chipset drivers, I did nothing -- just plugged the AMD AM5 driver laden ssd, which stuttered on the AM5 boards, in the Z890 nvme slot and booted it. Was totally fine, no issues...

 

[Frizz]

900 settings later i discovered windows has something called "MPO" as part of the DWM and if you disable it on the 9800x3d it stops the random microstutter and Gsync screen flashing...

Yes.. I know the one guess how

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

The influencers make it sound like you "plug it in and its awesome". It is not.

+9999999999999999999999999999999999

Go figure, I spent alot on ARL platform and Zen5+x870E altogether just to see who's telling the tale, ARL is just lackluster with Intel being safe with it to avoid the recent "hyped x999 degradation" issue, which will only matter when you use your favorite setting in the BIOS, "Auto", for peeps that tweak, it doesn't scare the hell off me.

on the AMD side, its OK, but you have to do sanity checks around it, updated Firmware, drivers, power plans, yada yada in the BIOS, and you would still dip on a normal basis. they also do degrade, high IMC voltage and SOC voltage does that so be warned, its also picky (probably the board) with RAM, there are certain configs that work on the B650E Tachyon that does not on the X870E Hero, and vice versa, pretty much inconsistent down to the last rabbit hole, also there's no more puke on 4k gaming, they do really perform almost equally or within margin side by side, to translate to FPS its just 6-10 fps at max, but dips are a different news and the 7-zip performance..lol.. (i don't compress files whole day long)

I hope they just design the chip properly this time around, I don't expect huge gains, but I do wish to go beyond 5.7ghz on P-Cores on a normal boost. my 13900KS does 6Ghz all core, it doesn't sit with me well..

 

[phanbuey]

Omg hahah start at 11:45 - basically sums it up.