How about AMD instead of Intel?

[denixius]

Hello,

I have been using Intel for a long while, and have had no problem so far, until now, for one or two years. I'm not happy with its gaming performance for at least a year, and wanted to wait for a good discount on the next product. Because I'm having a lot of problems with the gaming performance nowadays (especially with Victoria 3, as I explained below), I've decided to purchase AMD. I was reading things here and community platforms about AMD's current performance for gaming, seems to me not that bad. Right?

So, my problem is mostly because of freezing and lower gaming performance due to the bad performance of the CPU. The game goes well for a while, like from 15 minutes to 25 minutes, and then suddenly, first the game and then my computer freezes. Completely. Also, other users are having the same problem, too; although I'm not sure if it's caused by incompatibility with Version 24H2 and Intel CPUs, my friends are having the same issue on other games with their Intel CPUs, e.g., while playing the Alters.

I'm currently using an i5 11400F, and it seems that Windows Version 24H2 killed the gaming performance for most of the hardware, and my CPU is one of them. I want a decent performance for my Victoria 3 kinda games, and some other games released nowadays.

Now, I'm planning to purchase the following hardware to use with my current RTX 3060 Ti, 850W PSU, and Versa T27 TG ARGB Mid Tower Chassis. Do you think it can be a good investment for like, five years from now? I'm playing most of the video games, especially role-playing games and grand-strategy games.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X - link to official AMD website
Motherboard: MSI PRO B840M-B - link to official MSI website
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake TH240 V2 - link to official Thermaltake website
RAMs: CORSAIR 32GB (2x16GB) Vengeance 6400MHz CL32 DDR5 - link to official Corsair website

The above hardware is at a good price for me now, and I want to close the gap by purchasing these now.

Thanks,

 

[jak_2456]

Didn't know there was required reading to understand the context.

Point being throwing money at a gpu when prices are cheap would last longer than 1/100 better cpu performance. Didn't need to be requoted and explained multiple times that threw the topic off course.

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[dgianstefani]

Didn't know there was required reading to understand the context.

You... didn't know you should read the OP to understand the context?

Point being throwing money at a gpu when prices are cheap would last longer than 1/100 better cpu performance. Didn't need to be requoted and explained multiple times that threw the topic off course.

1% better CPU performance? FYI 9800X3D is more like twice the performance in games of a 11400F. Are you serious? Do you understand that OP is in no way GPU bottlenecked?
Do you think perhaps suggesting irrelevant, expensive and unwise (old, power hungry GPU) upgrades is what actually throws the topic off course on a thread about a CPU/platform upgrade for SIM/Strategy games (widely known to be CPU intensive, not GPU intensive).

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Review - The Best Gaming Processor

The Ryzen 7 9800X3D establishes AMD as the leader in gaming performance. This Zen 5-based X3D chip is not only fast, it also comes with full support for overclocking. Besides gaming, application performance is considerably improved over the 7800X3D, but that comes at a price.

www.techpowerup.com

Even the humble 7600X which isn't a smart buy, is ~50% faster than the 11400F.

 

[leonavis]

Even the humble 7600X which isn't a smart buy, is ~50% faster than the 11400F.

Indeed. For gaming, go X3D.

What a little extra SRAM can do

If you're willing to upgrade later and get the 7600X cheap, the new platform is actually a good idea. Not just for the Intel problem, but you will get a good boost in performance and have a platform that's future-proof.

Buuut having said that if you actually do wanna get something more performant later a better mobo could go a long way. In my personal xp if you wanna have a good time with the system on the long run that's a purchase that should be solid, just as PSU or case or fans.

I haven't really found any reviews of that board though. My x570-a pro by MSI is pretty basic. Enough for what I've installed and my platform won't get more updates, but afterwards I did wish I've gotten something a little less shabby.

Also in cooling I'd rather opt for an ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III, 280 or bigger if you have space (for the future), 240 if you have not, ARGB if you want it. It's cheaper and just as performant.

 

[MiSteR]

Victoria 3 System Requirements​

• Recommended:
  • OS: Windows® 10 64 Bit or Windows® 11
  • Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-6600K | AMD® Ryzen™ 5 2600X (AVX support required)
  • Memory: 16 GB RAM
  • Graphics: Nvidia® GeForce™ GTX 1660 (6GB) | AMD® Radeon™ RX 5600 XT (6GB) | Intel® Arc™ A580 (8GB)
  • Storage: 10 GB available space

 

[DaemonForce]

Isn't that a 6c/12t part? Interesting...

Significantly slower base, slightly higher boost, more L1, less L3, single thread champion but otherwise the same performance.
My 3600 is a Zen 2 part and you're looking at a Zen 4 part that is 160% the performance with much higher clocks. Go for it.
There's a good chance that games are going the way of relying on X3D because why optimize games when everything is loaded?
Still, I favor these lesser single CCD parts for their slight edge in single core performance and lower power envelope.

The big issue as time goes on is what to do about the absolute codeslop that is Windows, mainly anything 23H2 and beyond.
I still run 22H2 just because it gets less hits to performance whenever some errant Windows update decides to take out the system.
Last failed update my desktop poofed, like a Server Core. This has been going on for years and it's just not going to get better.
Win11 adoption has failed for this very reason. If it continues into 25H2, 26H2, whatever flavor Win12, expect total Win exodus.

Some of us are in really lucky positions where we can share our hobbies with the outside world but Windows makes it a circus.
There is no reason to have updates running when they are the single most lethal variable to any editor, streamer or production box.
SteamOS will be there to save the frames, so I'm not too worried about it but the point is we're too complacent with Microsoft.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

Like far too many have said, a sudden degradation in performance following a Windows update would likely indicate that some sort of security mitigation or unnecessary service is running in the background and eating CPU resources. I'd start there and see if you can get your performance back to a satisfactory level.

Elsewise, if all you want is a CPU performance improvement LGA1700 and the 14700K is more than ready and allows you to grandfather in your memory. That's what I'd go for if I wanted a smoother experience in Paradox's grand strategy games for as little hurt to my wallet as is reasonable.

That said, if you want to throw a little more money at this, a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and a B650/B850 chipset is what I'd go for, assuming you'll benefit from the ~$100 price gap between it and its Zen 5 successor. It's a worthy trade-off, and for stuff like Vic/Stellaris it'll happily eat up that extra-thick L3 cache, faster clocks or no. Grab a bog-standard 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL30 kit and call it a day.

 

[iameatingjam]

I never had an issues with my 11600k when it comes to native gaming, I upgraded because I wanted better emulation performance ( which is more cpu demanding ) and I understand them to be relatively similar in performance.

Anyway it has been a few years since then but still I kinda agree with @dgianstefani here, there's probably a software solution.... if you want to... not pay money yet.

But I also understand the upgrade bug so if you got it, go ahead I suppose its up to you.

EDIT: 23H2 has support until december if you want the easiest method, I'm still using 23H2. For some reason I still don't have an option to upgrade, could do it manually with an iso and usb stick but... nah. I've taken on quite a 'if it aint broke don't fix it' attitude lately. I only JUST switched to 57x nvidia drivers.

But anyway, with that method, you wont actually know what the root cause is.... which means you could find yourself in the same predicament later.

 

[Athlonite]

This is probably one of those time where upgrading was not the best of ideas as some have already said. I'd be more likely to do a clean install and see how things went from there, there's always problems with doing upgrades mostly coming from left over junk or conflicts.
as the cheapest and easiest thing to do would be the clean install that is where I'd start before thinking about doing hardware upgrades

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'd figure out the software side and just save up for Zen6/Novalake if neither is that good you will likely be able to pick up a cheap Zen5 or Arrow lake cpu that ticks all your boxes both will likely have a much better chance of lasting you 5+ years.

 

[evernessince]

As others have said, you should try to find the root cause of your issue first before upgrading as there's no guarantee it's the CPU at fault.

There's nothing wrong with AMD as a choice should you choose to upgrade, particularly if you found a good deal. Whatever gets you the best bang for your buck, with the consideration that the AM5 platform still has 1 more generation of upgrades on it as well whereas any Intel platform will not.

Some people recommending X3D CPUs but X3D CPUs are poor value even when looking only at gaming performance (their strongest metric). The 7600X is 1.1 USD per frame while the 9800X3D / 7800X3D is 2 USD per frame. That's with 5090 to boot, the value proposition will be worse with a weaker GPU. X3D CPUs don't make sense if one is looking for value unless you get a crazy discount. OP has a 3060 Ti so I'd so absolutely not worth the premium.

 

[cutesnoopy7851]

I am using the same i5-11400 also, paired with Z590M Pro4 & 32GB DDR4 3600MHZ CL16.

Currently thinking whether go for 265K + Z890 Pro RS for RM2200 (521 USD) without any DDR5 ram (I expect it will cost RM500, around 118USD for 7200MHz RAM)
OR
wait for 16 Gen (next year this time?) New socket, more P-Cores, although I expect I will be around RM3300 with motherboard alone.

GPU is ASUS AMD RX6800 OC.

 

[denixius]

Thanks for all the replies, I will consider all of the comments before purchasing my new rig.

 

[cutesnoopy7851]

Thanks for all the replies, I will consider all of the comments before purchasing my new rig.

So what will u buy, we are using the same cpu

 

[denixius]

Hi! I got Ryzen 5 7600X, Thermaltake TH240 V2, G.SKILL Ripjaws M5 (32GB, 6000MHz), and they are working nicely with my RTX 3060 Ti. I have nothing to complain about the heat or the performance. Especially, I'm really happy with the performance of Victoria 3 and Oblivion Remastered. Because these two were having a hard time working with my latest CPU.

Thanks for all of your replies!

Bests,

 

[Hyderz]

Hi! I got Ryzen 5 7600X, Thermaltake TH240 V2, G.SKILL Ripjaws M5 (32GB, 6000MHz), and they are working nicely with my RTX 3060 Ti. I have nothing to complain about the heat or the performance. Especially, I'm really happy with the performance of Victoria 3 and Oblivion Remastered. Because these two were having a hard time working with my latest CPU.

Thanks for all of your replies!

Bests,

If you can post some pictures of your build that is a solid build and with am5 you have got lots of upgrade path later on when the 7600x can’t provide anymore

 

[Rover4444]

Hi! I got Ryzen 5 7600X, Thermaltake TH240 V2, G.SKILL Ripjaws M5 (32GB, 6000MHz), and they are working nicely with my RTX 3060 Ti. I have nothing to complain about the heat or the performance. Especially, I'm really happy with the performance of Victoria 3 and Oblivion Remastered. Because these two were having a hard time working with my latest CPU.

Thanks for all of your replies!

Bests,

And the motherboard?

 

[blinnbanir]

I am loving my X870E As Rock 870E Taichi. It is a great MB

 

[denixius]

And the motherboard?

LOL I forgot to add my motherboard; it's ASROCK A620M PRO RS.

 

[Rover4444]

LOL I forgot to add my motherboard; it's ASROCK A620M PRO RS.

They didn't have any motherboards with PCIe 5.0 support near your price point?

I am using the same i5-11400 also, paired with Z590M Pro4 & 32GB DDR4 3600MHZ CL16.

Currently thinking whether go for 265K + Z890 Pro RS for RM2200 (521 USD) without any DDR5 ram (I expect it will cost RM500, around 118USD for 7200MHz RAM)
OR
wait for 16 Gen (next year this time?) New socket, more P-Cores, although I expect I will be around RM3300 with motherboard alone.

GPU is ASUS AMD RX6800 OC.

If you can wait, then wait. Ultra 3 should be coming out this year.

 

[denixius]

They didn't have any motherboards with PCIe 5.0 support near your price point?

I couldn't raise my budget that much, unfortunately. I don't think it is a real problem for me now. Because it's PCIe 4.0 x16, it will help me for a long time, I believe. Right?

 

[jaggerwild]

You can turn off a few of the Windows Defender Virtualisation security stuff. CFG, VBS etc. That should help. Or do a clean install of Windows. The game you're running isn't particularly demanding.

I wouldn't really recommend building a new rig right now.

Both vendors are towards the end of their product lifecycle. Intel has a refresh coming, but isn't a major upgrade in gaming performance over the previous gen Raptor Lake. Nova Lake next year looks very promising. AMD is on their second refresh of 800 series boards, which use the same 600 series chipsets released with AM5. These single/dual chipset solutions kinda suck because they're connected to CPU via x4 PCIE Gen 4, and even daisy chain, meaning everything connected to chipsets, USB, M.2, PCIe slots, networking etc, all share four gen 4 lanes. Intel at least currently uses x8 Gen 4, but the platform isn't much of an upgrade over Raptor Lake for gaming. Zen 6 looks promising, and the new chipset and boards it comes with should be a step forwards.

I would try a fresh Windows install, tweak a few security settings that can severely impact CPU performance on older CPUs. Before buying a whole new platform just before redesigned CPUs and Chipsets come out.

If you are set on a new platform, the only compelling CPUs from AMD for gaming are their X3D chips. For everything below those, Arrow Lake or Raptor Lake offer the same gaming performance and better productivity performance/platform, for better prices.

You're also not going to be able to run 6400 MT memory on a cheap B840 mobo if you still went with the partlist you have.

That’s what I thought right away, try a clean install but I’m sure he’s already made the decision…..Turn off updates!

 

[Grimling]

I give you a good tip that will save you a lot of money: just get rid of w11 and install W10 IoT LTSC 19044.
You will be surprised how good your performance in gaming will be on your old hardware...

 

[ShiBDiB]

OP appears to have already upgraded (the sys specs on here are updated).

I'd have steered you to an X3D chip. It's borderline pointless to spend the money on an upgrade right now and not get one IMO (for gaming specifically).

You will see improvement in CPU intensive games (anything PDOX) with the 7600x and it'll likely be more than good enough if those are the types of games you lean towards.

 

[Rover4444]

I couldn't raise my budget that much, unfortunately. I don't think it is a real problem for me now. Because it's PCIe 4.0 x16, it will help me for a long time, I believe. Right?

Well sure but B850 should be around the same price and you could've cheaped out on the cooler to make up for it, it's one of the easiest components to replace. I assume you're not going to do any overclocking either given you got an A620 board, so I really do think the water cooler's overkill.

OP appears to have already upgraded (the sys specs on here are updated).

I'd have steered you to an X3D chip. It's borderline pointless to spend the money on an upgrade right now and not get one IMO (for gaming specifically).

You will see improvement in CPU intensive games (anything PDOX) with the 7600x and it'll likely be more than good enough if those are the types of games you lean towards.

X3D is too expensive, he's gimped by the 3060 Ti either way.

 

[ShiBDiB]

he's gimped by the 3060 Ti either way.

Eh only if he's playing above 1080p. And even then an X3D is a better longer term upgrade.

Either way looks like the purchase was already made.