System stutters with Ryzen 7 9800X3D.

[phanbuey]

I think the board will alleviate alot of it -- blow away windows completely, so none of the old drivers from the old board stick around -- that will help as well.

 

[Pets4Ever]

I wouldn't really mind it that much if i wasn't playing competitive CS2 tbh, on other types of games that are more relaxed, it wouldnt be such an issue. But playing CS2, its just not tolerable, even less with the premium the price of these parts have.


Hello again!. All the intel stuff, was on my windows 10 install. I moved my ssd from my intel to my amd build, as i've done before on multiple of windows installs. And after trying to solve this problem, i completely formated my ssd and installed windows 11 24H2 on 05/14/2025. This windows install is new and it only has used this hardware. All of my ssd's were used on all of my builds without any issues. My bios is 1512, the latest one from Asus. Yes, it will eventually happen in safe mode, but i can't see anything on the event viewer, and also i checked for WHEA errors with hwinfo. No errors show while the machine stutters. Ssd's were scanned and are working fine.


Hello! i had to check the manual, because i didn't remember the names of the slots XD. M.2_2 and M.2_3 share bandwith with the gpu. Im not using any of those. To have the full bandwith of the gpu, i populated M.1_2 with my Samsung 980 PRO 500GB, this should be connected to the CPU directly, and it's only using 4 lanes. The other two ssd's are connected to M.2_4 and M.2_5, which are both routed through the X870E chipsets. Right now i removed both of those SSD's, and only my 980 PRO is plugged in. I already felt a little stuttering some minutes ago. But i will continue working in a couple of minutes, so it is highly likely that we may end up with another video like yesterday.


Damn, that sucks. I also noticed it while playing youtube, the videos will start to look like if they were recorded at 10fps, and the frames start to skip. I used the UFO test because the frame graph is the best way to show the problem i believe.

In other news, i just bought a Gigabyte B850 Aorus elite, and it will arrive here on Tuesday, so next week well see if my Asus board is cursed, or if i wasted a ton of money to have a more efficient cpu that my 13700k, that is bugged XD.

I strongly suspect the board but I'm interested to hear how it goes.

 

[phanbuey]

I strongly suspect the board but I'm interested to hear how it goes.

Same -- that's what made the biggest difference for me.

ASUS armory crate rootkit is probably not helping.

 

[santi0797]

I think the board will alleviate alot of it -- blow away windows completely, so none of the old drivers from the old board stick around -- that will help as well.

Yes!. I will format this drive and start from scratch. I tweaked way to many things to try to solve this, and nothing solved it. So it's better to start from scratch.

 

[Pets4Ever]

Same -- that's what made the biggest difference for me.

ASUS armory crate rootkit is probably not helping.

Ewww Asus packages Armory Crate on the bios level for this board? I thought MSI was bad for including a driver installer in that way. Is there at least a way to disable it from the BIOS?

 

[santi0797]

Ewww Asus packages Armory Crate on the bios level for this board? I thought MSI was bad for including a driver installer in that way. Is there at least a way to disable it from the BIOS?

Unfortunately they do. Its not only Armoury crate, They have a tool that installs armoury crate, and some more asus bloatware. And the worst thing is that it is enabled by default. As soon as you boot up, it will download all that garbage. Unless you disable it from the bios.

 

[evernessince]

Hello, i didn't try the IGPU, but i got the same problem with my RTX 3090 and RTX 5090. I would try the Igpu, but if that worked, it's really of no use to me, since i play games and i need the Dgpu.

The intent is not for you to use the computer in that configuration but to isolate the issue to the problem. Switching cards does greatly reduce the probability that the GPU itself is bad but both the 3090 and 5090 are power hungry Nvidia cards. The benefit of using the iGPU is that it allows you to isolate power issues and Nvidia driver issues.

Is this system behind a UPS / Surge Protector? It might be worth it to try a different power cord / outlet while directly connected to the wall.

I'm never getting tired of watching these threads..AMD has been really silent about this issue..

This issue could stem from any number of components or pieces of software.

Let's not jump to conclusions.

 

[Pets4Ever]

Unfortunately they do. Its not only Armoury crate, They have a tool that installs armoury crate, and some more asus bloatware. And the worst thing is that it is enabled by default. As soon as you boot up, it will download all that garbage. Unless you disable it from the bios.

Jeez someone should get Steve from Gamer's Nexus on this to name and shame Asus. It should absolutely not be downloading software without user input. MSI pops up a window that will open a driver installer if you click OK or whatever, but it won't install anything to the SSD/HDD unprompted.

EDIT: Looks like Asus does prompt you? If you say no, surely you can go back to the bios and disable it with no ill effects? I got this screen from their support page on how to disable this "feature"

 

[santi0797]

The intent is not for you to use the computer in that configuration but to isolate the issue to the problem. Switching cards does greatly reduce the probability that the GPU itself is bad but both the 3090 and 5090 are power hungry Nvidia cards. The benefit of using the iGPU is that it allows you to isolate power issues and Nvidia driver issues.

Is this system behind a UPS / Surge Protector? It might be worth it to try a different power cord / outlet while directly connected to the wall.



This issue could stem from any number of components or pieces of software.

Let's not jump to conclusions.

That is a good point. I will try this over the weekend while i wait for the other Motherboard. It would be pretty weird if the drivers caused this, since i can boot up my RTX 3090 right now on an intel rig, and i get no stutters like this, with the same driver that fails so hard on the AMD build. But it's always possible with cursed software XD. The system has the PSU cable that came bundled with it, i tried a different one, with no change, and it's plugged directly to the wall, with no UPS or surge protector. The same behaviour was obseved with a Corsair RM 850X 2021, and a Corsair RM 1200x Shift. So i wouldnt think it's a power issue.

Jeez someone should get Steve from Gamer's Nexus on this to name and shame Asus. It should absolutely not be downloading software without user input. MSI pops up a window that will open a driver installer if you click OK or whatever, but it won't install anything to the SSD/HDD unprompted.

EDIT: Looks like Asus does prompt you? If you say no, surely you can go back to the bios and disable it with no ill effects? I got this screen from their support page on how to disable this "feature"

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It looks like that is the old Asus bios. They renamed the tool to "Asus Driverhub", which is basically a similar garbage software, that will start to download bloatware as soon as it boots up. It happened to me once on my brothers build, with another asus B650 board. I got that prompt, but it was for DriverHub. and even though i hit to not install any software. There were multiple Asus services running in the background that came with that thing. There is a way to delete it, but it bloats your windows install with multiple useless services.

I just restarted my pc and checked, this is how it shows now, and i had to set it to disabled, when i bought the PC, and every time i updated the BIOS (because it resets itself to enabled).

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

I have the Hero X870E, disabled Armory Crap from the BIOS, what did alleviate my stutters was doing Interrupt routing.

Many would say I just need to disable the 2nd CCD, well if that was the case, I should have not bought the 9950X3D, I bought it because I need the extra horses on it and not just game on it, though its pretty much hailed as the "best all rounder chip" (though I pathetically disagree)

 

[phanbuey]

I have the Hero X870E, disabled Armory Crap from the BIOS, what did alleviate my stutters was doing Interrupt routing.

Many would say I just need to disable the 2nd CCD, well if that was the case, I should have not bought the 9950X3D, I bought it because I need the extra horses on it and not just game on it, though its pretty much hailed as the "best all rounder chip" (though I pathetically disagree)

What were your interrupt routing settings?

I had good results to lock to core 0 and also one "any unparked core"

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

What were your interrupt routing settings?

the GPU, and the USB hub where my Input devices is connected and the Audio driver interrupts were routed to the X3D CCD (least used cores on that ccd based on the CPPC order), this prevents the 2nd CCD from randomly waking up and ruining the scheduling which leads to stutters and those nosy diving dips..it was lesser now than before (normal/default config)

on your case since its already a single CCD, the "any unparked core" is likely to be followed, in my case I really have to specify which core/thread it should be scheduled, its a lot of trial and error and backups, AMD's mess..

 

[Pets4Ever]

@RootinTootinPootin

Have you seen this post? (Specifically the AMD Staff reply from the link)

Re: 9950x3D Not Parking

Did you manage to figure this out? Here are the steps you need to follow to ensure core parking is working, although it does sound like you've done these already. Use the latest motherboard BIOS. CPPC set to Auto in the BIOS. For testing purposes, please use BIOS default settings for now...

community.amd.com

 

[santi0797]

Well, this is probably the last video i will upload. I dont have any more things to try to fix this, not that i can think of. The only thing to try is to change the Motherboard, that will arrive on tuesday. But i wanted to document and show this problem, and how it looks, while watching youtube, and while playing a little CS2.

Today as usual i started to notice the stutter while working. So i opened a youtube video, so you guys can see the dropped frames, and the chopiness. It happens even if i don't move my mouse. And then i open CS2, i played for less than 10 seconds, and the frametime fixed itself. But it broke again in the minute 2:10, and it kept stuttering with a consistent 44ms, 45ms and 46ms frametime, for almost 50 seconds, until it fixed itself again. This behaviour can happen for 2 seconds, or for multiple minutes.

Today i removed two of the three ssds, im only using my 980 PRO, and the pc is laying by its side, with the gpu resting on the pci-e slot. The game had the fps capped, because i was trying different things, that's why the FPS are sitting in <400.

Thank you all guys for your time and your inputs!.

 

[phanbuey]

Man... that's so triggering -- and unfortunately not uncommon -- keep us in the loop when the new board comes.

 

[freeagent]

It should absolutely not be downloading software without user input.

It doesnt. You have to give it permission if you did not disable it in the bios. Not hard to do.

I still think its a configuration error.

 

[phanbuey]

It doesnt. You have to give it permission if you did not disable it in the bios. Not hard to do.

I still think its a configuration error.

+1 - but it's one out of the box at default settings which, 50 settings later is almost impossible to nail down.

I bet the giga board and driver wipe works with no issues.

 

[freeagent]

A fresh wipe makes everyone feel better

 

[JIWIL]

My takeaway from all these threads is that when you have a mobo/cpu combo that works, cherish it.

 

[Pets4Ever]

A fresh wipe makes everyone feel better

Everyone except the plumber

My takeaway from all these threads is that when you have a mobo/cpu combo that works, cherish it.

My takeaway is that Billy Peltzer should have been more careful with Gizmo. (cuz we got gremlins)

 

[Nhonho]

The only thing to try is to change the Motherboard, that will arrive on tuesday.

Update the motherboard BIOS and do the settings in BIOS-Seput before installing Windows.

 

[mb194dc]

Is this just a design flaw with "3D" cache that doesn't show up in the more "canned" benchmarks that are typically used for reviews? Any review sites done a deeper dive on it to get to the bottom of why lots of people with 9800x3D seem to have these problems?

 

[Simkin]

My takeaway from all these threads is that when you have a mobo/cpu combo that works, cherish it.

Don't know why OP want to "upgrade" from 13700K just because "it might" face the degrade issue, and if he game in high resolution he wont get any more performance either.

My 13900K has been running without any issues since i bought it in 2022. Have had a 3090, 4090 and now a 5090 with it, and games have been running butter smooth, same Windows install since 2022 AND i also have Armory Crate installed.

No issues going to 24H2 either.

Sometimes the grass simply is not greener on the other side

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

Have you seen this post? (Specifically the AMD Staff reply from the link)

Yes..on the latest driver package that service already is delayed starting, and I already checked all necessary services for AMD if they are running, it works, that's why on a previous post somewhere I mentioned to NOT mess up the power profiles as the BG services from AMD are hard messing them when something's up..

Don't know why OP want to "upgrade" from 13700K just because "it might" face the degrade issue, and if he game in high resolution he wont get any more performance either.

must be watching too much YT lately..lol..

Sometimes the grass simply is not greener on the other side

very true..as always and usual, its overhyped..

again its not a bad product, but also its not a good one, I must conclude based on my testing, and I wasted money..AGAIN..like the 1st time I went with Ryzen on Zen 2 and 3, in the hopes it was "a better" product..

Well, this is probably the last video i will upload. I dont have any more things to try to fix this, not that i can think of. The only thing to try is to change the Motherboard, that will arrive on tuesday. But i wanted to document and show this problem, and how it looks, while watching youtube, and while playing a little CS2.

Today as usual i started to notice the stutter while working. So i opened a youtube video, so you guys can see the dropped frames, and the chopiness. It happens even if i don't move my mouse. And then i open CS2, i played for less than 10 seconds, and the frametime fixed itself. But it broke again in the minute 2:10, and it kept stuttering with a consistent 44ms, 45ms and 46ms frametime, for almost 50 seconds, until it fixed itself again. This behaviour can happen for 2 seconds, or for multiple minutes.

Today i removed two of the three ssds, im only using my 980 PRO, and the pc is laying by its side, with the gpu resting on the pci-e slot. The game had the fps capped, because i was trying different things, that's why the FPS are sitting in <400.

Thank you all guys for your time and your inputs!.

As I watched this I noticed the choppiness at times and the frametime spike is just a mess..hahahaha..if you don't look into the FPS numbers its merely "OK"..

 

[Frizz]

Well, this is probably the last video i will upload. I dont have any more things to try to fix this, not that i can think of. The only thing to try is to change the Motherboard, that will arrive on tuesday. But i wanted to document and show this problem, and how it looks, while watching youtube, and while playing a little CS2.

Today as usual i started to notice the stutter while working. So i opened a youtube video, so you guys can see the dropped frames, and the chopiness. It happens even if i don't move my mouse. And then i open CS2, i played for less than 10 seconds, and the frametime fixed itself. But it broke again in the minute 2:10, and it kept stuttering with a consistent 44ms, 45ms and 46ms frametime, for almost 50 seconds, until it fixed itself again. This behaviour can happen for 2 seconds, or for multiple minutes.

Today i removed two of the three ssds, im only using my 980 PRO, and the pc is laying by its side, with the gpu resting on the pci-e slot. The game had the fps capped, because i was trying different things, that's why the FPS are sitting in <400.

Thank you all guys for your time and your inputs!.

My stutters aren't as frequent as this but they're the same ones lol, especially annoying in Valorant.

Not sure if this will help for 9800X3D but I catch my system using the wrong CCD at times still despite being on the latest drivers etc, so I made sure it can recover.

Sometimes the grass simply is not greener on the other side

I had it right the first time with CUDIMMs and 285K but I caved to the consensus on the internet which has now left me jaded with AMD, never again.