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AMD "Zen 7" Rumors: Three Core Classes, 2 MB L2, 7 MB V‑Cache, and TSMC A14 Node

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AMD is already looking ahead to its Zen 7 generation and is planning the final details for its next generation of Zen IP. The first hints come from YouTuber "Moore's Law Is Dead," which points to a few interesting decisions. AMD plans to extend its multi‑class core strategy that began with Zen 4c and continued into Zen 5. Zen 7 will reportedly include three types of cores: the familiar performance cores, dense cores built for maximum throughput, and a new low‑power variant aimed at energy‑efficient tasks, just like Intel and its LP/E-Cores. There is even an unspecified "PT" and "3D" core. By swapping out pipeline modules and tweaking their internal libraries, AMD can fine‑tune each core so it performs best in its intended role, from running virtual machines in the cloud to handling AI workloads at the network edge.

On the manufacturing front, Zen 7 compute chiplets (CCDs) are expected to be made on TSMC's A14 process, which will now include a backside power delivery network. This was initially slated for the N2 node but got shifted to the A16/A14 line. The 3D V‑Cache SRAM chiplets underneath the CCDs will remain on TSMC's N4 node. It is a conservative choice, since TSMC has talked up using N2‑based chiplets for stacked memory in advanced packaging, but AMD appears to be playing it safe. Cache sizes should grow, too. Each core will get 2 MB of L2 cache instead of the current 1 MB, and L3 cache per core could expand to 7 MB through stacked V‑Cache slices. Standard CCDs without V‑Cache will still have around 12 MB of shared L3, while dense‑core CCDs might pack 16 cores and 32 MB of L3. A bold rumour suggests an EPYC model could feature 33 cores per CCD, totaling 264 cores across eight CCDs. Zen 7 tape‑out is planned for late 2026 or early 2027, and we probably won't see products on shelves until 2028 or later. As always with early-stage plans, take these details with a healthy dose of scepticism. The final Zen 7 lineup could look quite different once AMD locks down its roadmap.



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@AleksandarK what's the estimated timeline for the 9800x3d successor to come out? I assume early 2026 or so?
 
If Zen6 is released towards the end of this year, I would guestimate the X3D parts coming sometime late Q1 to mid Q2 next year.
It seems like AMD likes to give their non-X3D a quarter or two to sell well before throwing gamers a bone with the good processors.
I would guess they want to fix any issues found with the base chips, before getting reviews on their HALO chips...
 
@AleksandarK what's the estimated timeline for the 9800x3d successor to come out? I assume early 2026 or so?
I would suspect mid/late 2026 following historic trends

AMD tends to leave an Architecture for 2 years before the successor appears recently
 
@AleksandarK what's the estimated timeline for the 9800x3d successor to come out? I assume early 2026 or so?
Every two years. And even if it comes slightly faster, supply always runs out super fast after launch and takes a few months to become stable. Therefore,

Zen 5 X3D Nov 7, 2024
Zen 6 X3D Nov 7, 2026
Zen 7 X3D Nov 7, 2028
Zen 8 X3D Nov 7, 2030

And so on.
 
Every two years. And even if it comes slightly faster, supply always runs out super fast after launch and takes a few months to become stable. Therefore,

Zen 5 X3D Nov 7, 2024
Zen 6 X3D Nov 7, 2026
Zen 7 X3D Nov 7, 2028
Zen 8 X3D Nov 7, 2030

And so on.

ChatGPT says:

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D was officially released on April 20, 2022

7800x3d launched April 6, 2023

9800x3d Nov 7, 2024


not sure where you got your numbers from bruh, just sayin lol
 
what's the estimated timeline for the 9800x3d successor to come out? I assume early 2026 or so?
I have some stats from an old post.

Days between TPU Reviews -

1800X
398 days
2700X
444 days
3700X
488 days
5800X
691 days
7700X
682 days, or over 22 months.
9700X

This is me guessing, please respect that lol

My bet is Q2 2026. June 18 is 680 days after the 9700X, Computex 26 fits.

It could also be a bit earlier like March-April, but I wouldn't guess later than July.

Sure, it all depends on a million factors I don't know anything about.

Edit: Oh, you said 3D.. well that's probably Q3.
 
I have some stats from an old post.



This is me guessing, please respect that lol

My bet is Q2 2026. June 18 is 680 days after the 9700X, Computex 26 fits.

It could also be a bit earlier like March-April, but I wouldn't guess Q3.

Sure, it all depends on a million factors I don't know anything about.

Since they don't really have competition anymore, I think you are probably right about Computex 2026 reveal/launch. No need to rush.
 
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D was officially released on April 20, 2022
I actually don't think it's a good data point here, that launch date have nothing to do with anything. It's better to look at non V-cache launches and take it from there.

This might be the first time AMD launches 3D models on first launch day, at least the single CCD, it really wouldn't surprise me. That's another good thing about not rushing it.

Also, remember that Ryzen 9000 was rushed, even if nobody talks about it anymore. No reason to repeat that.. does anyone remember this 800 post thread lol

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/why-everyone-say-zen-5-is-bad.325345/
Since they don't really have competition anymore, I think you are probably right about Computex 2026 reveal/launch. No need to rush.
Yeah, but I also don't think even some substantial competition makes a difference, the importance is that AMD is selling.

I don't think there's really that much headroom for rushing it anyway, it messes up so many things for them, and they need their shiny, pricey EPYCs, first and foremost.
 
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And even if it comes slightly faster, supply always runs out super fast after launch and takes a few months to become stable.
That did not happen with the 5800X3D or 7800X3D. I don't see a pattern here.

Desktop SKUs with e-cores are pointless.
You're in the wrong thread lol.

Two low power cores may be pointless, but it also doesn't take up much space.

32 economy cores on the other hand.. :rolleyes: (yes, I know they're much better than ReRaptor)
 
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ChatGPT says:

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D was officially released on April 20, 2022

7800x3d launched April 6, 2023

9800x3d Nov 7, 2024


not sure where you got your numbers from bruh, just sayin lol

5800X3D was released extremely late into Zen 3s lifecycle as it was almost an experiment/repurpose of X3D EPYC parts

7800X3D did seem to take quite a while after Zen 4 was released but that was due to them favouring 7950 and 7900 X3D parts where as they flipped it on the Zen 5 generation with the 9800X3d being released first, I mean we only just got the 9950X3D 2 months ago.

What you should of queried was when was the first X3D part released after its respective generation and you would notice its usually a few months AFTER the release of the Non X3D parts bar the 5xxx series and currently the Non X3D parts are on a 2 year cycle. So July-Sept 2026 for Non X3D, October - December 2026 for X3D depending on release times

Relying on just ChatGPT without any other investigation is where AI is going to be the downfall of General Intelligence.
 
5800X3D was released extremely late into Zen 3s lifecycle as it was almost an experiment/repurpose of X3D EPYC parts

7800X3D did seem to take quite a while after Zen 4 was released but that was due to them favouring 7950 and 7900 X3D parts where as they flipped it on the Zen 5 generation with the 9800X3d being released first, I mean we only just got the 9950X3D 2 months ago.

What you should of queried was when was the first X3D part released after its respective generation and you would notice its usually a few months AFTER the release of the Non X3D parts bar the 5xxx series and currently the Non X3D parts are on a 2 year cycle. So July-Sept 2026 for Non X3D, October - December 2026 for X3D depending on release times

Relying on just ChatGPT without any other investigation is where AI is going to be the downfall of General Intelligence.

I ama ware of all of this, I was just trying to bring in the question of nov 7 for every release date claim... but alright you are right i am the downfall of general intelligence. congrats on spotting that, you have solved all of humanities problems.
 
The most important question is.. Will "Zen 7" CPUs be released for socket AM5?

Desktop SKUs with e-cores are pointless.

Exactly. Desktop applications are poorly optimized for multicore processing or cannot be optimized for more than 1 core. They require cores with very high IPC. Putting "E-cores" on a desktop CPU is a dumb idea.

The ideal has always been to develop cores with very high IPC to they perform tasks as quickly as possible and then enter a low power consumption state.
 
@BArms
yeah, like having more than 512kb of ram.
love how you know what billions of ppl on this planet need on their computer..
 
Over 9000 not enough for me. I’m waiting for it’s over 11000!!!!!
 
Desktop SKUs with e-cores are pointless.

They're not. With e-cores enabled, especially the amount on Intel CPUs, you get a huge boost in multithreaded performance like encoding/compiling/compressing, without much extra power consumption/heat.

The most important question is.. Will "Zen 7" CPUs be released for socket AM5?



Exactly. Desktop applications are poorly optimized for multicore processing or cannot be optimized for more than 1 core. They require cores with very high IPC. Putting "E-cores" on a desktop CPU is a dumb idea.

The ideal has always been to develop cores with very high IPC to they perform tasks as quickly as possible and then enter a low power consumption state.

This is 2025, how many desktop apps only use 1 core? And for the select few that aren't fully multithreaded, or multithreaded at all, that's obviously what the performance cores are for. It's not like the processors only have 20 e cores, they have P cores with very high IPC for single threaded apps.
 
My bet is Q2 2026. June 18 is 680 days after the 9700X, Computex 26 fits.

It could also be a bit earlier like March-April, but I wouldn't guess later than July.

Sure, it all depends on a million factors I don't know anything about.

Edit: Oh, you said 3D.. well that's probably Q3.
Zen 6 uses TSMC's N2 node, and your prediction roughly lines up with the earliest AMD could bring an N2 chip to market. (By my understanding.)
 
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Desktop SKUs with e-cores are pointless.
If you don't fancy multithreaded performance sure, but then normal cores are also pointless. 8 are enough.

Exactly. Desktop applications are poorly optimized for multicore processing or cannot be optimized for more than 1 core. They require cores with very high IPC. Putting "E-cores" on a desktop CPU is a dumb idea.

The ideal has always been to develop cores with very high IPC to they perform tasks as quickly as possible and then enter a low power consumption state.
You do realize that cpus with ecores / zenc cores or whatever you wanna call them are exaxtly as fast in single thread performance as any other cpu without them, right? Your argument doesn't make sense.

A cpu with zenc cores mixed in with the big cores will perform every single threaded task as fast as a cpu without it, but it will be faster and more power efficient in multithreaded tasks.
 
Zen 6 uses TSMC's N2 node, and your prediction roughly lines up with the earliest AMD could bring an N2 chip to market. (By my understanding.)
My prediction was based entirely on history, not technical advancements. Just pure luck from my side i guess..
 
The most important question is.. Will "Zen 7" CPUs be released for socket AM5?



Exactly. Desktop applications are poorly optimized for multicore processing or cannot be optimized for more than 1 core. They require cores with very high IPC. Putting "E-cores" on a desktop CPU is a dumb idea.

The ideal has always been to develop cores with very high IPC to they perform tasks as quickly as possible and then enter a low power consumption state.

There is slim to no chance of Zen 7 debuting on AM5. If the specs/rumors in this post are anything to go on, significant departures on ccd, core type/arrangement, and hybrid designs will most likely require different a socket/pinouts.

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This also sounds like a scheduling nightmare, they better design a hw scheduler to go alongside this…
 
Hmm, this time the source's assumptions are very poorly crafted. It sounds like the statement of a street gang member who has taken several types of powerful drugs and is unable to concentrate even to arrange and write his text grammatically and contextually correctly.
 
Hmm, this time the source's assumptions are very poorly crafted. It sounds like the statement of a street gang member who has taken several types of powerful drugs and is unable to concentrate even to arrange and write his text grammatically and contextually correctly.
What is this about?
 
A big selling point of AMD at the moment is the fact that all the cores are the same. No shenanigans.
Isn't 16 cores enough? 32 threads is already difficult to fully utilize.
 
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