About windows 7

Vam · Oct 25, 2009

Hi! I want to ask somethink. I have an agp video card radeon 2600xt HIS manufacture and i want to run win 7 but know that there isn't any driver for agp card . Do you know will appear an agp driver soon ?

Thx

InTeL-iNsIdE · Oct 25, 2009

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx

The vista hotfix may work in windows 7 tho I cant test it out, worth a shot

MRCL · Oct 25, 2009

THis is what I found, don't know if that is of any help for you :/

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx

Edit: Damn you Intel :laugh:

InTeL-iNsIdE · Oct 25, 2009

MRCL said:
THis is what I found, don't know if that is of any help for you :/

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx

Edit: Damn you Intel

Mussels · Oct 25, 2009

vista drivers do work in windows 7, so what they say is your only option at the moment.

As for official AGP drivers coming out for windows 7: i find it unlikely. AGP is old and dead, and windows 7 is the latest and greatest operating system. companies arent going to be spending any time and money writing drivers for hardware that such a small percentage of their owners are using - i'd suggest looking at a PCI-E update as soon as possible, if you intend to use windows 7 primarily.

wiak · Oct 25, 2009

windows vista drivers work fine in windows 7, heck they both use same same driver model
much like you chould use 2k Drivers in XP, you can use vista drivers in 7, this time they work better together, the driver model isnt that diffrent between 7 and vista

Mussels · Oct 25, 2009

wiak said:
windows vista drivers work fine in windows 7, heck they both use same same driver model
much like you chould use 2k Drivers in XP, you can use vista drivers in 7, this time they work better together, the driver model isnt that diffrent between 7 and vista

No, windows 7 is COMPATIBLE with windows vistas driver model. saying they use the same model is incorrect.

Windows vista uses WDDM 1.0 only

Windows 7 uses WDDM 1.0 (PS2.0/DX9.0C) OR WDDM 1.1 (PS4.0/DX10.0)

wiak · Oct 25, 2009

anyway vista drivers work fine in 7
that was my point

[Ion] · Oct 25, 2009

You should be fine, I'm using Vista drivers for my wireless card in 7 Professional and it's working great

Mussels · Oct 25, 2009

now that the questions have been covered, i renamed the thread from wind 7 to windows 7, and moved it to general software, instead of general hardware.

i can see the logic in placing it in hardware, but its about windows 7 and its drivers moreso than the 2600XT.

RejZoR · Oct 25, 2009

Mussels said:
No, windows 7 is COMPATIBLE with windows vistas driver model. saying they use the same model is incorrect.

Windows vista uses WDDM 1.0 only

Windows 7 uses WDDM 1.0 (PS2.0/DX9.0C) OR WDDM 1.1 (PS4.0/DX10.0)

I'll correct you slightly...

Win9x -> VXD (max DX8.1 (SM 1.0))
Win2k/WinXP -> WDM (max DX9c / SM 3.0)
WinVista -> WDDM 1.0 (max DX10 / SM 4.0, but will be upgradeable to DX11 / SM 5.0)
Win7 -> WDDM 1.1 (max DX11 / SM 5.0)

However it is correct that Windows 7 can use either WDDM 1.0 or 1.1.

Mussels · Oct 25, 2009

we have a mis-understanding - i didnt mean what the maximum the OS was capable of (for games, etc), i meant what it USED - as in, for aero

that was something i didnt clearly state, my bad

RejZoR · Oct 25, 2009

Well, it basically means that both, Vista and 7 use same driver model where WinXP and Win9x use completely different one. That's why Win9x drivers never worked on WinXP and also why WinXP drivers never worked on Vista. But Vista drivers do work on Win7. It's same driver model, it's just that MS updated it a bit. But it's still compatible.

Mussels · Oct 25, 2009

RejZoR said:
Well, it basically means that both, Vista and 7 use same driver model where WinXP and Win9x use completely different one. That's why Win9x drivers never worked on WinXP and also why WinXP drivers never worked on Vista. But Vista drivers do work on Win7. It's same driver model, it's just that MS updated it a bit. But it's still compatible.

my original point was that for the OS, windows vista uses WDDM 1.0 - thats its requirement for a video cards drivers in order to operate.

Windows 7 *will* operate on windows vista drivers - and happily, however it will be restricted to WDDM 1.0 - which has some minor performance implications.

RejZoR · Oct 25, 2009

That's what i said. At least i think i did lol

Mussels · Oct 25, 2009

we're dancing around the same topic, yes.

i just wanted to make it clear that while vista drivers work, some features/functionality may be lost

Vam · Oct 26, 2009

actually i try vista drivers on win 7 but it doesn't install the display driver or i try to run it manually and it sad that is ancompatible with my OS system ?

Mussels · Oct 26, 2009

you need to find a driver that actually supports your card first of all, and you may need to run the installer in compatibility mode

Vam · Oct 26, 2009

how to run in compatible mode ?
i'm using hotfix from amd site runs well on vista haven't any problem

Mussels · Oct 26, 2009

right click the file "troubleshoot compatibility" - choose vista SP2 when prompted

Vam · Oct 26, 2009

think can do the trick ? and one more question sorry for taking you time how about games will i be able to play Gears of War or BioShock and can i acces the catalyst controle center ? shoud i try to instal win 7 one more time ?
Thx

FreedomEclipse · Oct 26, 2009

Im running a ATi X850XT PE with windows 7 in my back up rig - no issues what so ever

Vam · Oct 26, 2009

its an agp card ?

FreedomEclipse · Oct 26, 2009

yeah! one that cost me £300+ back in the day when they said AGP was dying.

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