Agnostic - Screams at 4 gen's of Intel, is 5700X3D Worth It?

[nomdeplume]

I'm sitting on a 3080 and the situation keeps degrading, literally, beyond any feasible constructive purchase. As a last gasp before supplies dry up is there some consensus 5700X3D and whatever B550 board I can get hands on is at all a rational mid-term purchase? Investment in substantially better cooling to double ambient operating temps?

The killer here is a Z370 board goes for more than it retailed and my H370 mobo refuses to accept 3xxx GPU. Getting tired of making tired threads on tired legacy hardware.

 

[dhdude]

Sorry to hear of your predicament, weren’t there beta BIOSes for Asus 3xx boards that supported reBAR? Or is it another compatibility issue? I wasn’t aware of any issues with my last Asus Prime Z390-A and my RTX 3060 Ti, so wonder what the root cause is?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm sitting on a 3080 and the situation keeps degrading, literally, beyond any feasible constructive purchase. As a last gasp before supplies dry up is there some consensus 5700X3D and whatever B550 board I can get hands on is at all a rational mid-term purchase? Investment in substantially better cooling to double ambient operating temps?

Seems a like a solid choice. I would point you toward AsRock for a motherboard and Thermaright for a cooler.

 

[eidairaman1]

Seems a like a solid choice. I would point you toward AsRock for a motherboard and Thermaright for a cooler.

The 5800 Rig I built in late 2021
Asrock Steel Legend B550
Ry 7 5800 OEM (before there was ever a 5700X)
32G Crucial Ballistix Gaming Red 3600
Crucial MX500
Thermalright ARO M14G
Seasonic Focus Gold 650
Zalman Z1 Neo
Pioneer BDXL
W11 untainted by MS Updates (Killed WUD totally)

To me Steel Legend Replaced TUF as a good moddle ground board

 

[Ruru]

I have a 5800X & 3080 and feels like a pretty balanced build, I play at 4K so I didn't go for X3D as it cost 50% more than this non-3D.

 

[Frick]

I'm sitting on a 3080 and the situation keeps degrading, literally, beyond any feasible constructive purchase. As a last gasp before supplies dry up is there some consensus 5700X3D and whatever B550 board I can get hands on is at all a rational mid-term purchase? Investment in substantially better cooling to double ambient operating temps?

The killer here is a Z370 board goes for more than it retailed and my H370 mobo refuses to accept 3xxx GPU. Getting tired of making tired threads on tired legacy hardware.

What situation is degrading?

In any case it's all about your budget. The cheapest B450 motherboard (much cheaper than the B550 boards) you can find and a Ryzen 5600 is about €200 new where I live. For 4K CPU matters far less than GPU, something like a 5700X3D wouldn't make sense unless you also have a high end GPU. But if you have the money for a 5700x3d sure yeah go for it. I do believe Dwarf Fortress does really well on those...

 

[nomdeplume]

Apologies for the late reply.

H370 CSM mobo had a BIOS update "to help use 3xxx" that didn't. For basic internetting this build with a 1060 is unlikely to require anything beyond a place to live. Never intended to game very much on this before updating.

Loosely considering a 5700X3D as price to 5800X is neglible. Cache for a gaming only build has much larger delta. Since it sounds like one of these two would be a good pairing with a 3080 I'll see if I can find something better than mobo available locally.

What situation is degrading?

Suffice to say I would've gotten past the $$$$ and upgraded years ago if other concerns didn't intrude. Heat output will have to suffice as a major reason for the title during a worldwide heat wave.

 

[Frick]

Honestly for 4K60hz with a 3080 and lack of cash I would just get a 5600. MUCH cheaper than the X3Ds and the performance will not be very different because you'll be limited by the 3080 anyway. I have a 6950XT and a 5600 and in heavy games the GPU is the limiting factor. Some titles (like Dwarf Fortress) will perform better on the X3D's but is it worth the extra cash for just those games?

As for cooling, the 5600 are pretty easy to cool. I got a used Be Quiet Pure Rock 2 for €20 and it's fine.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I would at least look at a 7600 combo with a Cheap B650 board and whatever ram you can afford.

For me locally it performs about the same as a 5800X3D maybe 2-3% slower depending on game. It's also generally slightly faster in apps even with 2 less cores.

 

[nomdeplume]

Honestly for 4K60hz with a 3080 and lack of cash I would just get a 5600. MUCH cheaper than the X3Ds and the performance will not be very different because you'll be limited by the 3080 anyway. I have a 6950XT and a 5600 and in heavy games the GPU is the limiting factor. Some titles (like Dwarf Fortress) will perform better on the X3D's but is it worth the extra cash for just those games?

Cost inside the US located near a very good PC retailer is a less a concern than many other places. Willingness to buy, or buy at a given price, is another issue. I won't go into a course in economics, but lower quality for exceedingly higher prices does not inspire. A mobo with features you will never come close to using just to address the platform concerns is wasteful.

Can you explain the reasoning for avoiding X3D. For relevance we are talking about nearly 1:1 what I paid at retail for an i5-8400 on the X3D.

 

[f22a4bandit]

I'm pretty happy with my 5700X3D paired with a 7800XT (likely comparable to your 3080, though you'll have better RT). They're installed on a B450 MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC and I've got no issues with gaming performance on my ultrawide monitor. If gaming is what you'll do on that machine, certainly worth consideration.

Not the best measure, but I've included some frames that are reported in Adrenaline for a rough idea of performance.

 

[Frick]

Can you explain the reasoning for avoiding X3D. For relevance we are talking about nearly 1:1 what I paid at retail for an i5-8400 on the X3D.

Lows and stuff is better on the X3Ds for sure, but for 4K60hz and a RTX3080 I don't think it'll matter much.

A mobo with features you will never come close to using just to address the platform concerns is wasteful.

Which is why B450 is better than B550. I can get a B450 motherboard for like €70 over here, the cheapest B550 motherboard is close to £100.

 

[cvaldes]

I have a 5800X3D with an ASUS B550 motherboard; it runs fine and didn't require any special effort to cool. It's currently under a vastly underutilized Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm AIO that barely blinks when the CPU is maxed out.

This system currently has an RTX 4080 SUPER graphics card but previously hosted an RTX 3080 Ti graphics card so it should be a fine combination.

 

[nomdeplume]

Lows and stuff is better on the X3Ds for sure, but for 4K60hz and a RTX3080 I don't think it'll matter much.

Always have a hard time making sense of this particular chart because 90% of the games used don't align with my own usage. 10% that did (ex. God of War) exhibit vastly different behaviors than depicted by the overall or were developed (ex. FH5) to run well on basically anything. I do understand the point you were making and will consider it further.

Right now would be horrible timing to buy AM5, X3D or otherwise, at undiscounted retail prices. My feeling was the equation isn't quite the same on AM4. You can be sure I'm monitoring developments from Red and Blue. Fourth quarter of 24 or early 25 aren't shaping up to deliver a boon to consumers.

Which is why B450 is better than B550. I can get a B450 motherboard for like €70 over here, the cheapest B550 motherboard is close to £100.

Doing the fiscal conversion to US dollars. We obviously live in different economies with older stock apparently hanging around at retail there. B450 would mean used market or going to 4th or 5th party resellers here.

B550 cheapest locally is under $50 and I feel confident a new in package Steel Legend could be found for around $100 shipped.

 

[Deleted member 223428]

Value right now is a 12400F, a B760 DDR4 Board, and 32GB of DDR4 3200

 

[nomdeplume]

Value right now is a 12400F, a B760 DDR4 Board, and 32GB of DDR4 3200

You can bet I've considered that or similar at a few points. Even discussing an i3 with someone here. If I was keeping the 1060 as primary card that system would be the move.

 

[Deleted member 223428]

You can bet I've considered that or similar at a few points. Even discussing an i3 with someone here. If I was keeping the 1060 as primary card that system would be the move.

Just check the chart posted by @Frick with a 3080 @4k. It's essentially the same performance (averages at least) as the 5800x3d. At that price you might lose $100 if you sold it a year later.

 

[nomdeplume]

Seems to me I'm almost aligned with thinking on this site and end up spinning my wheels a lot looking like a bit of crackpot enforcing artificial limitations where better outcomes are easily possible.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Seems to me I'm almost aligned with thinking on this site and end up spinning my wheels a lot looking like a bit of crackpot enforcing artificial limitations where better outcomes are easily possible.

You're not alone. That happens to all of us at some point or another.

Unless you're in a hurry, take time and think over your choices. Then put together a list of parts. Sleep on it for a night or two and come back to it. If it still makes sense to you, buy and be confident you did your due diligence on the process.

 

[LabRat 891]

I'm sitting on a 3080 and the situation keeps degrading, literally, beyond any feasible constructive purchase. As a last gasp before supplies dry up is there some consensus 5700X3D and whatever B550 board I can get hands on is at all a rational mid-term purchase? Investment in substantially better cooling to double ambient operating temps?

The killer here is a Z370 board goes for more than it retailed and my H370 mobo refuses to accept 3xxx GPU. Getting tired of making tired threads on tired legacy hardware.

5700X3D is still competitive even w/ 9000series on AM5.


DDR4 is affordable.
No OCing to muck with other than setting up RAM/IF optimizations (which, w/ X3D are less impactful, anyway)
I wouldn't hesitate on that.

A used X570 board would have 'longer legs' as a platform, but I believe you'll be more-likely to find a B550 on sale or in-combo w/ a 5700X3D.
(IIRC, MicroCenter was offering a 5700X3D+Asus B550 w/ Thunderbolt add-in card compatibility, too)

IMO, the alternative would be to 'hold-out' for 9000X3D on fully-matured PROM21 AM5.

 

[Dr. Dro]

My $.02 if you need a DDR4 Ryzen platform fast without breaking the bank too much while not giving up on quality of life features go for the 5700X3D with a ROG Strix B550-E or -XE. Despite B550 chipset, they are premium motherboards.

These aren't the cheapest but they are exceptionally well supported, ran my previous 5950X build on the -E and I believe @freeagent has a 5900X build on the XE, he can attest it's a lovely board. If those are too expensive still there's the -F II, which will lose the debug code reader and some power stages.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

5700X3D is still competitive even w/ 9000series on AM5.

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DDR4 is affordable.
No OCing to muck with other than setting up RAM/IF optimizations (which, w/ X3D are less impactful, anyway)
I wouldn't hesitate on that.

A used X570 board would have 'longer legs' as a platform, but I believe you'll be more-likely to find a B550 on sale or in-combo w/ a 5700X3D.
(IIRC, MicroCenter was offering a 5700X3D+Asus B550 w/ Thunderbolt add-in card compatibility, too)

IMO, the alternative would be to 'hold-out' for 9000X3D on fully-matured PROM21 AM5.

Not sure what's going on with Toms numbers but they are the only site I see the 5000X3D chips do this well and the 14th gen chips do that bad. Most places have both Ryzen 7000 and 14th gen ahead of the 5800X3D.

Still I agree a 5700X3D I'd rather have than a 12400F but I'd rather have a 7600 based system over both of those.... I actually have one so that makes sense I guess lol....

 

[LabRat 891]

Not sure what's going on with Toms numbers but they are the only site I see the 5000X3D chips do this well and the 14th gen chips do that bad. Most places have both Ryzen 7000 and 14th gen ahead of the 5800X3D.

Still I agree a 5700X3D I'd rather have than a 12400F but I'd rather have a 7600 based system over both of those.... I actually have one so that makes sense I guess lol....

It's the PoV; those are averages. Looking at the other summary slides, you see #s closer to other reviews.

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X and Ryzen 7 9700X Review: Zen 5 brings upgraded gaming performance (Updated)

Dialing gaming up a notch.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It's the PoV; those are averages. Looking at the other summary slides, you see #s closer to other reviews.

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X and Ryzen 7 9700X Review: Zen 5 brings upgraded gaming performance (Updated)

Dialing gaming up a notch.

www.tomshardware.com

Somehow they have the 7800X3D 32% faster than the 14700k when in most reviewers data I trust it's around 10%

Which is similar to what I've seen locally I've used both cpus.

Not saying that isn't the results they are getting just that somthing seems off with their data which makes me question the rest of it.

 

[freeagent]

My $.02 if you need a DDR4 Ryzen platform fast without breaking the bank too much while not giving up on quality of life features go for the 5700X3D with a ROG Strix B550-E or -XE. Despite B550 chipset, they are premium motherboards.

These aren't the cheapest but they are exceptionally well supported, ran my previous 5950X build on the -E and I believe @freeagent has a 5900X build on the XE, he can attest it's a lovely board. If those are too expensive still there's the -F II, which will lose the debug code reader and some power stages.

I like my Strix XE better than my Dark Hero lol. It has better slot spacing, overclocks FCLK/MCLK better.. but DH has the connectivity that I wanted, and no weird usb stuff that I got from B550 from time to time.