Any performance tweaks to fix the fps in Wildlands in 2020?

[Hishiiro]

I've tried a few already but I just thought I'd ask in 2020. I can't seem to make things work.

Specs
GTX 1050ti Max Q, i7 8750h, 8gb ram

I'm unable to get stable 60 fps on this game at medium to low settings. Should I be able to run it better on my system or is something wrong?

 

[Vayra86]

A 1050ti max Q is not really that powerful. What res do you play at? What are your temps while gaming, and GPU clocks etc? We need some data

Another thing to look for is CPU temps and throttling. The game can use some grunt on single thread and if you can't sustain clocks, it will kill FPS.

Also this is Ghost Recon Wildlands yes?

 

[Decryptor009]

Yes the tweak is upgrade your hardware.

 

[Hishiiro]

A 1050ti max Q is not really that powerful. What res do you play at? What are your temps while gaming, and GPU clocks etc? We need some data

Another thing to look for is CPU temps and throttling.

So my laptop has a weird way of dropping clock speed. I don't even know why. But when I was playing Splinter Cell Blacklist, it was completely fine. Played at ultra settings at 60fps almost all the time.

I keep my gpu undervolted. At 0.8V, 1500MHz. It stay at the speed for a while, but it drops after a while, the gpu Temps don't go above 75 even. In blacklist, the gpu will throttle at 80 degrees. I could provide log files if you need after doing more testing. The gpu runs at 99% load.

The cpu doesn't throttle if I keep the turbo off. But I'll need to see more about the cpu. Temperatures are around 80 for the cpu.

I'm still experimenting with different settings. I don't think I can play at stable 60fps at 1080p. So I have to reduce it to 1600x900 res.

I know it's not a powerful laptop but, I just thought I'd ask if there was any tweaks I could do to make the frame rate more stable. Other than locking it at 30fps.

Yes the tweak is upgrade your hardware.

I agree but I can't do that right now. It's what I have for now.

 

[Vayra86]

Yeah, the drops are throttling. 80C is high, it is 'okay' but it will limit your clocks. No turbo on the CPU is also a performance limiter. You have already limited performance and temps are still on the high side. Maybe Throttlestop can help you. An active cooling pad underneath the lappy might help you. And... a decent gaming rig will certainly help

Note this is a returning issue with laptops. If you want rock stable gaming, go big. Its possible with a laptop, but it needs to be fatty.

 

[Hishiiro]

Yeah, the drops are throttling. 80C is high, it is 'okay' but it will limit your clocks. No turbo on the CPU is also a performance limiter. You have already limited performance and temps are still on the high side. Maybe Throttlestop can help you. An active cooling pad underneath the lappy might help you. And... a decent gaming rig will certainly help

Note this is a returning issue with laptops. If you want rock stable gaming, go big. Its possible with a laptop, but it needs to be fatty.

Yeah I know all that. Do you know any specific settings through nvidia control panel that might help even a bit?

 

[Vayra86]

Simply put, not really. You can lower settings but as long as temps are high, the net result will barely change. You're still on max load.

Also saying that from experience... I've had my share of throttling POS laptops.

 

[Hishiiro]

Simply put, not really. You can lower settings but as long as temps are high, the net result will barely change. You're still on max load.

Also saying that from experience... I've had my share of throttling POS laptops.

My gpu temps are below 80. And I've managed to keep the game at a stable 50fps without losing much detail. So I'm okay for now. Thank you for your time.

 

[tabascosauz]

Use Throttlestop to undervolt your CPU and see if you can't adjust the 4/5/6-core turbo bins to be a bit lower. Coffee Lake should be able to handle a -0.100V on the CPU and cache, easy. It's a much more pleasant solution than straight up disabling Turbo Boost. What laptop is this?

 

[Hishiiro]

Use Throttlestop to undervolt your CPU and see if you can't adjust the 4/5/6-core turbo bins to be a bit lower. Coffee Lake should be able to handle a -0.100V on the CPU and cache, easy. It's a much more pleasant solution than straight up disabling Turbo Boost. What laptop is this?

Xps 15 9570. I tried limiting the long turbo to 15W by talking to unclewebb on this forum. But I just felt more at ease with the turbo being disabled. Because the cpu is just throttling when I limit the turbo. If the power is too high, the cpu Temps get higher throttles the gpu. My core and cache are undervolted too. I don't know how to do what you just said tho.

 

[tabascosauz]

Xps 15 9570. I tried limiting the long turbo to 15W by talking to unclewebb on this forum. But I just felt more at ease with the turbo being disabled. Because the cpu is just throttling when I limit the turbo. If the power is too high, the cpu Temps get higher throttles the gpu. My core and cache are undervolted too. I don't know how to do what you just said tho.

No, you know that you can adjust turbo speeds under FIVR in TS, for the number of cores that are active, right? Say, for example, stock turbo bins are 40-40-37-37x for 1-2-3-4 cores active, you can dial down the turbo bins for higher core count load to something like 40-39-35-32x which I do on my XPS 13. That way, you get the high Turbo speeds on single- or two-core load to support your less intensive games, while dialing down the heat for all core load.

If you knock the 8750H down to its 2.2GHz base clock by disabling Turbo, i guarantee you're not having a great time. Especially when you have low graphics settings, which just makes it more CPU bound.

How much of an undervolt are you running? Also, are your fan speeds on XPS 15 able to be controlled via software, or are they hidden by the EC firmware as is on XPS 13? The EC is a pain in the ass because it has this stupid 30 second delay before it actually ramps up, meaning it can keep an optimized undervolted CPU under control, it just chooses not to until it's already throttling. Basically hysteresis, but idiotic and on crack.

It doesn't sound like the issue is not the long term limit. 15W is barely enough to sustain just 4 cores at 3.0GHz full load. That produces only enough heat to run completely passive, without throttling, through the 256M TS Bench.

 

[Hishiiro]

No, you know that you can adjust turbo speeds under FIVR in TS, for the number of cores that are active, right? Say, for example, stock turbo bins are 40-40-37-37x for 1-2-3-4 cores active, you can dial down the turbo bins for higher core count load to something like 40-39-35-32x which I do on my XPS 13. That way, you get the high Turbo speeds on single- or two-core load to support your less intensive games, while dialing down the heat for all core load.

If you knock the 8750H down to its 2.2GHz base clock by disabling Turbo, i guarantee you're not having a great time. Especially when you have low graphics settings, which just makes it more CPU bound.

How much of an undervolt are you running? Also, are your fan speeds on XPS 15 able to be controlled via software, or are they hidden by the EC firmware as is on XPS 13? The EC is a pain in the ass because it has this stupid 30 second delay before it actually ramps up, meaning it can keep an optimized undervolted CPU under control, it just chooses not to until it's already throttling. Basically hysteresis, but idiotic and on crack.

It doesn't sound like the issue is not the long term limit. 15W is barely enough to sustain just 4 cores at 3.0GHz full load. That produces only enough heat to run completely passive, without throttling, through the 256M TS Bench.

Can you explain more about the cpu cores part? What happens if i put those numbers. My default values are 41-41-40-40-39-39-0-0.

Core is -141.6mV, same with cache. I dont think I can change fan speed. In afterburner also, the fan speed option is locked.

 

[tabascosauz]

Can you explain more about the cpu cores part? What happens if i put those numbers. My default values are 41-41-40-40-39-39-0-0.

Core is -141.6mV, same with cache. I dont think I can change fan speed. In afterburner also, the fan speed option is locked.

Those numbers correspond to the maximum turbo speed allowed for full loads that occupy a set number of cores. Your default values allow 4100MHz on a single core load, dropping to 3900MHz on all-core load. When the cores start being loaded, your system will look to those numbers first, in the absence of thermal throttling and VRM throttling. The turbo bins still respect the short and long term power limits, which if set low enough, can prevent those multipliers from being achieved.

I'm sure you understand that 5 or 6 cores running on 100% utilization at 3.9GHz is significant amount of power draw and heat output, considering just a single core working at the 4GHz mark can take said core up to 80c in a typical laptop. But at the same time, having all of the cores limited artificially to 2.2GHz is also quite the performance penalty. Maybe you can find a happy medium in between the two that'll be sustainable without throttling, but keep your 1- and 2-core turbo bins high as they are so that day-to-day performance isn't affected.

If 0.145V is completely stable, that's a decent result. You can also repaste your CPU and/or apply thin thermal pads so that the heatpipes can spread the heat to the bottom aluminium cover. Theres a video guide for opening the 13 9360/9370 to do this, but I'm not sure if the 9570 is laid out differently on the inside.

 

[Hishiiro]

Those numbers correspond to the maximum turbo speed allowed for full loads that occupy a set number of cores. Your default values allow 4100MHz on a single core load, dropping to 3900MHz on all-core load. When the cores start being loaded, your system will look to those numbers first, in the absence of thermal throttling and VRM throttling. The turbo bins still respect the short and long term power limits, which if set low enough, can prevent those multipliers from being achieved.

I'm sure you understand that 5 or 6 cores running on 100% utilization at 3.9GHz is significant amount of power draw and heat output, considering just a single core working at the 4GHz mark can take said core up to 80c in a typical laptop. But at the same time, having all of the cores limited artificially to 2.2GHz is also quite the performance penalty. Maybe you can find a happy medium in between the two that'll be sustainable without throttling, but keep your 1- and 2-core turbo bins high as they are so that day-to-day performance isn't affected.

If 0.145V is completely stable, that's a decent result. You can also repaste your CPU and/or apply thin thermal pads so that the heatpipes can spread the heat to the bottom aluminium cover. Theres a video guide for opening the 13 9360/9370 to do this, but I'm not sure if the 9570 is laid out differently on the inside.

Thank you for the information. I understand. I'll try to do some tests. Yes, I'm thinking of thermal repaste method. But unable to do during the pandemic. We're all in Quarantine and lock down.

Thank you.

 

[Hyderz]

ur laptop has thunderbolt 3 i believe you can use an external gpu .
if your model is the 9570 it should be pci-e 4x meaning double from pci-e 2x from 9550/9560 models
but it can be costly but this investment can probably last you for another 3 years.
It gives you good gaming performance but you sacrifice on portability

Dell XPS 15 9570 Review: A 6-core Core i7 makes it all worthwhile

Dell's XPS 15 9570 takes one of the most beloved 15-inch laptops and drops in a wickedly-fast 8th gen CPU Core i7, plus better graphics.

www.pcworld.com

 

[Hishiiro]

ur laptop has thunderbolt 3 i believe you can use an external gpu .
if your model is the 9570 it should be pci-e 4x meaning double from pci-e 2x from 9550/9560 models
but it can be costly but this investment can probably last you for another 3 years.
It gives you good gaming performance but you sacrifice on portability

Dell XPS 15 9570 Review: A 6-core Core i7 makes it all worthwhile

Dell's XPS 15 9570 takes one of the most beloved 15-inch laptops and drops in a wickedly-fast 8th gen CPU Core i7, plus better graphics.

www.pcworld.com

I've looked in to those too. I would like to buy one, but not able to right now. Thanks for the tip. If I can just game at home, then portability won't be a problem. I usually just take my laptop to college for some other work.