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Are 500w enough for r5 5600 and rtx 4070

iameatingjam said:
Well I trust you more than I do me when it comes to this stuff.

I've just had incredible luck with supposedly garbage psus before like that 530w raidmax I bought in 2013 for $30 that ran a 1070 for 6 years and still works, and the 600w apevia that ran a 3070 (then later a 4070) and a 11600k, and that still works, so I'm a little biased. The only psu I ever did run into problems with, was a supposedly 'good' brand name antec psu that caused artificating.

But if you say it wont work, I believe you.
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Luck of the draw is all there is to that.
 
iameatingjam said:
Well I trust you more than I do me when it comes to this stuff.

I've just had incredible luck with supposedly garbage psus before like that 530w raidmax I bought in 2013 for $30 that ran a 1070 for 6 years and still works, and the 600w apevia that ran a 3070 (then later a 4070) and a 11600k, and that still works, so I'm a little biased. The only psu I ever did run into problems with, was a supposedly 'good' brand name antec psu that caused artificating.

But if you say it wont work, I believe you.
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Nothing ever gets on fire if you use a cheaper than a peanut fuse on the wall socket
I burned a psu, then I got a bag of fuses and burned 3 of them. Saved my arse
 
maxfly said:
That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen. And it says everything anyone needs to know about your um, level of expertise.

Believing your own made up bs is one thing, spreading your bs to new members is just sad.
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Glad I'm not the only one that see's this.
 
Lost_Troll said:
You should be fine, but you are at the limit of the supply for spikes and added USB loads like charging and disk drives. I would also note, Asus recommends a 650W supply minim with the RTX 4070 dual.


Yes, the supply is 80 Plus tested, but that does not mean much if you read spec on how they test the supplies and by the data sheet, it should be fine.

I would get the free hardware info 64 monitor and have it log while you are running a game and see what the 12 Volt rail is doing while you are playing. If the rail drops below 11.750 while playing a game, I would start to consider getting a new supply in the 650 to 750 watt range, with the 750 allowing you to add more ram and a faster CPU over time.

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I will follow 12v rail, thank you so much.
 
evernessince said:
How many years has this PSU been in service? This PSU was originally released back in 2009 and that can play a factor in regards to it's total wattage output. Capacitor aging will trim a small amount, up to 10%, off the total wattage. In your situation that may well be a factor.

No idea about the quality of parts inside the unit as well which is going to be the most important part. How good the topology is, how good the protections are, the quality of the caps (particularly the bulk cap), and things like all the parts being properly cooled are all up in the air. If the unit has caps rated for 85c and poor circulation that could be a huge problem. Might be the OCP doesn't even work, impossible to tell without a review.

I've had cheapo PSUs like this one fail on me. In fact every cheap PSU I've purchased failed, the best being a HEC unit that lasted 3 years. Mind you that was paired with cheap computer parts and I lost some of them on one of those failures. There's no way anyone dropping $600 a 4070 should be using a PSU of this quality. PSU problems can be obvious like it smoking and taking the other parts with it or silent and it slowly killing your parts with poor voltage regulation. This is why I hope the cybernetics certifications become popular, they provide way more information on a PSU above the very basic report provided by the 80+ certification.
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I bought 2020 december and I used it for 2.5 years.
 
inconr said:
I bought 2020 december and I used it for 2.5 years.
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Age shouldn't be much of a concern then. It takes about 10 years for it to start to be a factor worth considering. I'd still consul you to consider a higher quality unit but ultimately that decision is up to you.
 
Lost_Troll said:
You should be fine, but you are at the limit of the supply for spikes and added USB loads like charging and disk drives. I would also note, Asus recommends a 650W supply minim with the RTX 4070 dual.


Yes, the supply is 80 Plus tested, but that does not mean much if you read spec on how they test the supplies and by the data sheet, it should be fine.

I would get the free hardware info 64 monitor and have it log while you are running a game and see what the 12 Volt rail is doing while you are playing. If the rail drops below 11.750 while playing a game, I would start to consider getting a new supply in the 650 to 750 watt range, with the 750 allowing you to add more ram and a faster CPU over time.

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I just read a user comment, 12v rail drops to 11.88v at full load. But cpu 5600x and gpu gtx 950
 
evernessince said:
Age shouldn't be much of a concern then. It takes about 10 years for it to start to be a factor worth considering. I'd still consul you to consider a higher quality unit but ultimately that decision is up to you.
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I'll think about that much advice, but as @Lost_Troll said, first of all I'll follow the 12v rail.
 
inconr said:
I just read a user comment, 12v rail drops to 11.88v at full load. But cpu 5600x and gpu gtx 950
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The 4070 uses MUCH more power than the 950, and another thing: you may have bought it in 2020 but it's still a terribad power supply unworthy of a high performance gaming PC and it's a very outdated design. Like I found out: it's 14 years old. This thing isn't good, fullstop, no matter what "voltage" you think you're getting out of it, using a high performance graphics card with it is plain stupidity. The ripple on that thing must be out of this world, conversion efficiency is a complete joke, the temperature rating isn't adequate... the components are cheap, it goes on and on.

Stop insisting, just buy a new PSU already. If you don't, proceed at your own peril and after all the warnings you've received, when (and not if) issues arise, it's deserved. If you can't afford a new power supply, you can't afford an RTX 4070. It's not the graphics card for you, you buy a cheaper GPU and a PSU that isn't a time bomb.
 
 
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inconr said:
My psu is high power hpq-500st-h12s. What are you thinking? Do you think it is enough? And will there be a bottleneck in 2k (low-medium-high-ultra)? I guess not at ultra settings but I don't know about low settings.
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For a more of non-technical reply if you find yourself seriously questioning the part you want to use (after all the current replies) and there remains a high degree of uncertainty around using it then best to replace the part with something unquestionably better that fits in your budget. You will feel better about it and there will be less of a chance something goes wrong. Personally I would use a known brand PSU of good quality if I was going to use it with an RTX4070 to protect a purchase of an expensive and high performance GPU. You wouldn't put a 2L i4 engine in a Bugatti. Why do that to your RTX4070? To put it another way it's totally worth it to spend around $80 to $100 on a PSU for a $600+ GPU rather than rolling the dice with some janky PSU designed to run some office PC that might fail if you put some real load on it.
 
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Thank you everyone.
SunWukong said:
B tier $80
A tier $90
A tier $100



https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/P7pmP6,mgvdnQ,FKZXsY/ $10 more for 850W.
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I am going to look this recommendation.
 
Everyone should know High Power has been making PSU's for decades and made most of them for other brands, Sirfa/Sirtech/,Fractal Design, Antec, Thermaltake etc. They can make very good PSU's.
 
Yes, we know.
Doesn't mean THIS one is a very good PSU though (High Power also made some really mediocre at best ones, e.g. G14S aka OCZ ModXStream Pro).
 
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Redwoodz said:
Everyone should know High Power has been making PSU's for decades and made most of them for other brands, Sirfa/Sirtech/,Fractal Design, Antec, Thermaltake etc. They can make very good PSU's.
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Only when they're paid to do so otherwise they produce nothing but cost cutting junk
 
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