ir_cow
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Not a typo. This is how high you can set it in the BIOS. Doesn't mean it will work though.
Not a typo. This is how high you can set it in the BIOS. Doesn't mean it will work though.
Slight correction, didn't read the whole review: Only four of the eigth SATA-Ports come directly from one PCH, the other four are provided by two ASM1061 Chips, each connected to one PCH by Gen3x1. So two ports each share bandwith, saving two PCIe-Lanes compared to coming directly from the PCH.
I'm honestly very disappointed in the AM5 lineup because almost all boards only have 4xSATA, instead of 6-8 like before. I use six atm.
You are correct that one set goes to ASM1061 chip(s) first. Its safe to say all X670E will has at least x4 SATA since those are pretty free with a second chipset. No need to be concerned that two share a PCIe Gen3 1x lane. That is 1 GB/s and with overhead it can sustain 2x SATA 6 Gb/s.Slight correction, didn't read the whole review: Only four of the eigth SATA-Ports come directly from one PCH, the other four are provided by two ASM1061 Chips, each connected to one PCH by Gen3x1. So two ports each share bandwith, saving two PCIe-Lanes compared to coming directly from the PCH.
I'm honestly very disappointed in the AM5 lineup because almost all boards only have 4xSATA, instead of 6-8 like before. I use six atm.
System Name | Zabanya |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700x |
Motherboard | Asus X570 Strix-E |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | 2x 16 GB G Skill TridentZ Neo 3600 MHz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | Seagate Firecuda 520 2 TB, , 2x 18 TB, 3x 20 TB = total 88,71 TB |
Display(s) | LG 27GP850, LG C1 55 OLED |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL |
Audio Device(s) | Onkyo TX NR-646, RHA L1 DACAMP, Sennheiser HD-599 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750 watt |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XP |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
Its gotten to a point where everyone hates SATA and wants it to die so it seems that adding a HBA card is about the only solutionYes, but I will be more limited nonetheless. At the moment I use 2x3TB, 1x4TB, 2x8TB and one ODD, which I'd like to keep. Even if I switch between one HDD and the ODD, I'd still have to replace one and since all of them are pretty full with little chance to clear a lot of space in the near future, Iit have to be 12-16TB to be sure.
It feels kinda wrong to have to do that with such expansive boards. I wouldn't have had this problem on AM4 or 1700.
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
Do M.2-to-SATA adapter cards exist at all? (Not counting the passive $2 cards that use the SATA interface in the M.2 B-key connector, of course.)Its gotten to a point where everyone hates SATA and wants it to die so it seems that adding a HBA card is about the only solution
That would eat up an X1 or X4 port and lanes on the board which is a hassle in itself and even more so if you have anything besides a GPU and NVME you want to add
I also have 6 SATA devices and unlike you mine are 14, 18 and 20 TB so not really anything much bigger i can upgrade to
I am keeping my X570 board with 8 SATA ports until it die and i have an X1 HBA card with two SATA ports on hand in case i need it
I found an X4 HBA card with 5 SATA ports i am going to order with my next HDD
System Name | Zabanya |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700x |
Motherboard | Asus X570 Strix-E |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | 2x 16 GB G Skill TridentZ Neo 3600 MHz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | Seagate Firecuda 520 2 TB, , 2x 18 TB, 3x 20 TB = total 88,71 TB |
Display(s) | LG 27GP850, LG C1 55 OLED |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL |
Audio Device(s) | Onkyo TX NR-646, RHA L1 DACAMP, Sennheiser HD-599 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750 watt |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XP |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
The only thing i know of is the SilverStone ECS07 but i have not heard good things about itDo M.2-to-SATA adapter cards exist at all? (Not counting the passive $2 cards that use the SATA interface in the M.2 B-key connector, of course.)
I hear yeah, but the large VRM design is more for lower overall operational temperatures and providing a steady amount of current. Otherwise when the CPU Turbo kicks in, a quick rush of current on a low-end VRM could simply fail to provide enough current to keep up with any active PBO.Just amazes me how to install up to 2500 Amps in regards of that VRM setup. Like not that youll ever tap into that number.
There are four from Delock, alle are rather crappy and none better than the Silverstone. One uses the ASM1092R Port Multiplier to turn one M.2-SATA into two SATA-Ports, one uses JMircon JMB582 for 2xSATA@Gen3x1, one Marvell 88SE9215 for 4xSATA@Gen2x1 and the last ones Chip I do not know, only that it offers 4xSATA and PCIe Gen2.Do M.2-to-SATA adapter cards exist at all? (Not counting the passive $2 cards that use the SATA interface in the M.2 B-key connector, of course.)
The only thing i know of is the SilverStone ECS07 but i have not heard good things about it
One drawback is you need to remove the motherboard M.2 heatsinks and on boards that have large cover plates that becomes a problem as you need to remove the whole plateECS07
In order to meet the demands for Micro-ATX and Mini-ITX users with high storage needs and fill the lack of SATA ports, SilverStone created ECS07, a hardware-based SATA 6G Non-RAID M.2 PCIe expansion card. ECS07 offers expansion of up to 5 SATA Gen3 ports, capable of reaching 1700MB/s. Unlike...www.silverstonetek.com
I personally prefer the Delock low profile X1 and X4 PCI-E cards with 2 and 5 SATA ports
Edit: another flaw with that SilverStone ECS07 is it the fact that its only x2 and not x4 so the max speed you get for the whole drive is 2000 MB/s or 400 MB/s per port if you max out all 5 ports at once
The Delock x4 card has double the bandwidth at 4000 MB/s or 800 MB/s per port which make me wonder why they have not made cards with more than 5-6 ports?
400 MB/s is fine for hard drives but it would limit SATA 3 SSD´s
On the other hand maxing out all 5 drives at once is unlikely
System Name | The Captain (2.0) |
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Processor | Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X670E AORUS Master |
Cooling | 280mm Arctic Liquid Freezer II, 4x Be Quiet! 140mm Silent Wings 4 (1x exhaust 3x intake) |
Memory | 32GB (2x16) G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo (6000Mhz) |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX 3070 SUPRIM X |
Storage | 1x Crucial MX500 500GB SSD; 1x Crucial MX500 500GB M.2 SSD; 1x WD Blue HDD, 1x Crucial P5 Plus |
Display(s) | Aorus CV27F 27" 1080p 165Hz |
Case | Phanteks Evolv X (Anthracite Gray) |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2021) 1000W 80-Plus Gold |
Mouse | Varies based on mood/task; is currently Razer Basilisk V3 Pro or Razer Cobra Pro |
Keyboard | Varies based on mood; currently Razer Blackwidow V4 75% and Hyper X Alloy 65 |
Actually those Halo boards are for basically nobody.
None of the XOC guys are using those boards, the current record are set on the X670E Gene at half the price of the extreme.
The extra bells and whistles often interferes with BCLK overclocking or strait up just cold bugs. Also pcie 4/5 don't like being overclocked.
Some of the XOC AM4 boards are actually based on B550 for that reason, and for AM5 the new Unify-X and Tachyon will likely be on B650 as well.
The B550 Unify-X for LN2 was like 1/4 the price of the X570 Godlike
System Name | Zabanya |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700x |
Motherboard | Asus X570 Strix-E |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | 2x 16 GB G Skill TridentZ Neo 3600 MHz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | Seagate Firecuda 520 2 TB, , 2x 18 TB, 3x 20 TB = total 88,71 TB |
Display(s) | LG 27GP850, LG C1 55 OLED |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL |
Audio Device(s) | Onkyo TX NR-646, RHA L1 DACAMP, Sennheiser HD-599 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750 watt |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XP |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
Is this also limited to x2?There are four from Delock, alle are rather crappy and none better than the Silverstone. One uses the ASM1092R Port Multiplier to turn one M.2-SATA into two SATA-Ports, one uses JMircon JMB582 for 2xSATA@Gen3x1, one Marvell 88SE9215 for 4xSATA@Gen2x1 and the last ones Chip I do not know, only that it offers 4xSATA and PCIe Gen2.
Sorry to disapoint you, since SilverStone ECS07 uses JMicron JMB585 aswell, it can only offer Gen3x2.
There really isn't much better out there, Asmedia ASM1164 or ASM1166 would be similar with 4-6xSATA @Gen3x2, or ASM1064 with 4xSATA@Gen3x1 if you want to use an Gen3x1-Port. There are several PCIe-cards with these chips, except ASM1164.
One could even use this adapter to put an x3-card into a M.2-Slot.
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
It's 25 mm wide, so unlikely to fit in tight spaces designed for 2280 cards.One drawback is you need to remove the motherboard M.2 heatsinks and on boards that have large cover plates that becomes a problem as you need to remove the whole plate
The second DeLock is supposed to have a PCIe x4 interface but the JMB585 is only x2 ... are there two of them hiding under the heatsink?I personally prefer the Delock low profile X1 and X4 PCI-E cards with 2 and 5 SATA ports
System Name | Zabanya |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700x |
Motherboard | Asus X570 Strix-E |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | 2x 16 GB G Skill TridentZ Neo 3600 MHz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | Seagate Firecuda 520 2 TB, , 2x 18 TB, 3x 20 TB = total 88,71 TB |
Display(s) | LG 27GP850, LG C1 55 OLED |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL |
Audio Device(s) | Onkyo TX NR-646, RHA L1 DACAMP, Sennheiser HD-599 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750 watt |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XP |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
It would be so much better if there existed a PCI-E gen 4 x1 or x4 card and a chip that could handle the double bandwidthIt's 25 mm wide, so unlikely to fit in tight spaces designed for 2280 cards.
The second DeLock is supposed to have a PCIe x4 interface but the JMB585 is only x2 ... are there two of them hiding under the heatsink?
I found more Chinese M.2 cards with five SATA connectors (JMB585) or six (ASM1166), they don't look as solid as the ECS07 which has a metal case but they are 22 mm wide.
61.03US $ 8% OFF|M.2 To 5 Port Sata Add On Card Ngff 6gbps Conversion Adapter M2 Key M Sata3.0 Expansion Riser Card Chip Jmicron Jmb585 - Add On Cards & Controller Panels - AliExpress
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Anyway, it's good to know that solutions exist, even if not very practical, for those who need lots of SATA but don't have PCIe slots in excess.
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
System Name | The Captain (2.0) |
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Processor | Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X670E AORUS Master |
Cooling | 280mm Arctic Liquid Freezer II, 4x Be Quiet! 140mm Silent Wings 4 (1x exhaust 3x intake) |
Memory | 32GB (2x16) G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo (6000Mhz) |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX 3070 SUPRIM X |
Storage | 1x Crucial MX500 500GB SSD; 1x Crucial MX500 500GB M.2 SSD; 1x WD Blue HDD, 1x Crucial P5 Plus |
Display(s) | Aorus CV27F 27" 1080p 165Hz |
Case | Phanteks Evolv X (Anthracite Gray) |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2021) 1000W 80-Plus Gold |
Mouse | Varies based on mood/task; is currently Razer Basilisk V3 Pro or Razer Cobra Pro |
Keyboard | Varies based on mood; currently Razer Blackwidow V4 75% and Hyper X Alloy 65 |
Enormous, probably-expensive heatsinks covering most of the board with almost no surface area and an heat-insulating faux-marble plastic decal just make me irrationally angry.
If AMD and board partners are going to label "enthusiast boards" with E, that actually helps because it means that the "E" clearly identifies which boards are unnecessarily:
Extravagant
Expensive
Eccentric
E-ATX
E-peen
ETerrible value for money.
The rest of us can just buy the vanilla X670 and B650 boards with similar build quality and feature set, but a whole lot less of the frilly decoration, profit margin, and 'premium' ego-stroking guff.