ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super TUF OC

[Scircura]

28dBA is quiet enough that you kind of need to live in the countryside away from traffic, in a room that has double glazing, no wildlife outside, and no wind in the trees. Reviewers without access to soundproofed testing boxes often have a noise floor of 30dBA because that's a reasonable noise floor for a building with air conditioning and traffic outside.

You are mistaken. It's quite easy to hear tonal sounds that are -10dB or further below the noise floor. They won't register on a sound meter because the total sound power is low, but their peaks are visible on a FFT spectrum plot. I live in an urban area and I despite the din of freeway noise, a busy airport, and my tinnitus (but no wildlife to worry about), I can hear the 4KHz tone of a helium-filled HDD from across the room. The drive is rated 20dBA (@1m presumably).

We're both guessing but I'm guessing based on recent 4070S reviews where three of the five partner MSRP models have had excellent coolers. Your guess contradicts the findings of those reviews - care to explain why you think the MSRP Ti Super cards are going to have mediocre coolers?

TPU only covered four MSRP partner cards, plus the FE. The Zotac is MSRP in name only: I never saw it listed below $650. Only the Asus Dual outperformed the FE but the $650+ cards are all clearly better than the $600 ones.

It wasn't so clear-cut with the 4060 and 4070 launches (which Nvidia also encouraged partner cards at MSRP), but still in those cases the best 2-3 cards were the pricier ones. But to your point, there's a good chance there will be solid performers at MSRP in the next two model releases.

 

[Chrispy_]

The Zotac is MSRP in name only: I never saw it listed below $650. Only the Asus Dual outperformed the FE but the $650+ cards are all clearly better than the $600 ones.

Ah, you're basing this on launch-day regional price-scalping.
Patience, young padawan. We've waited 18 months for this refresh, you can hang on another few weeks to let the market stabilise
For the record, here in the UK it's a total mess. If retailers even list the 4070S yet, there's just the usual nonsense. Shit ain't ready yet, it's another paper-launch!

 

[Dahita]

You are mistaken.

He isn't. You have a different experience, and good for you, but that does not mean he is wrong. 28db is rather low when it comes to noises in the daily life. Let's not nitpick for the sake of arguing?

 

[Scircura]

He isn't. You have a different experience, and good for you, but that does not mean he is wrong. 28db is rather low when it comes to noises in the daily life. Let's not nitpick for the sake of arguing?

He is suggesting that a 25dBA sound is not audible with a 30dBA background. That's what's incorrect. I make no judgement on whether it's a bothersome sound to someone--that's totally subjective.

And I only nag Chrispy_ because I think he writes a lot of valuable stuff on this forum. If it was someone else I'd probably just close the browser window

To reply to your original point, the added value of the TUF card is it is a few dBA lower than the Zotac, a few watts more efficient, and has 200 RPM lower minimum fan speed. Again, totally subjective if that's worth $40 to someone. But may as well make clear what's on offer.

 

[Chrispy_]

He is suggesting that a 25dBA sound is not detectable with a 30dBA background. That's what's incorrect. I make no judgement on whether it's a bothersome sound to someone--that's totally subjective.

I don't recall making that statement at any point. If you're making assumptions about the tone of background noise based on your own situation then that's not transferrable to other situations. There's literally no way to know what the tonal quality of other people's background noise could be. It could be central air, it could be a fridge compressor, it could be wind noise outside. My background noise is largely the broad-spectrum roar of hundreds of distant vehicle tyres on asphalt, which totally drowns out most fans. That's me, one single example and cannot be used as the basis for someone else's environment.

Either way, 28dBA is pretty quiet by PC fan standards, period. If you value sub-28dBA feel free to pay ASUS an extra $90 for basically $1.50 of extra heatpipe and plastic. I'm not judging what you spend your money on, just stating my own opinion that it's a rip-off.

 

[Dahita]

He is suggesting that a 25dBA sound is not detectable with a 30dBA background. That's what's incorrect. I make no judgement on whether it's a bothersome sound to someone--that's totally subjective.

It is subjective indeed, not incorrect; it's an opinion, and a valid one. He's never suggested it s not "detectable" either. Let's move on.

 

[lexluthermiester]

but the $650+ cards are all clearly better than the $600 ones.

"Better" is completely subjective!

Ah, you're basing this on launch-day regional price-scalping.
Patience, young padawan. We've waited 18 months for this refresh, you can hang on another few weeks to let the market stabilise
For the record, here in the UK it's a total mess. If retailers even list the 4070S yet, there's just the usual nonsense. Shit ain't ready yet, it's another paper-launch!

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Remember, USD vs UKP. The exchange rates do not translate perfectly.

 

[Chrispy_]

Remember, USD vs UKP. The exchange rates do not translate perfectly.

They're pretty good these days, you just have to subtract 20% because North America doesn't do sales tax they way the rest of the world does.

£579 is equivalent to $613 and thanks to Brexit, costs are slightly higher here because stuff still arrives to the UK from European distributors with a lot of added red tape and associated costs regardless of whatever the corrupt politicians promised all the gullible people in the infamous 2016 referendum. At just a 2% MSRP premium, that's as close to a win as we're likely to get - in terms of pricing parity at least.

 

[Xaled]

instead of just lowering the prices of 4070 and 4070ti, why does nvidia even bother with releasing such cards?

 

[lexluthermiester]

instead of just lowering the prices of 4070 and 4070ti, why does nvidia even bother with releasing such cards?

Hey, if you don't get it, don't buy. Move along..

 

[N/A]

Because plenty of AD103 that have at least 66 good SMs in them or 75-80% were being stockpiled for one year. However 4070 was introduced early and the price lowered.

AD103 - 4 SMs less went for 4080.
AD104 - 4 SMs cut is 4070 super.
But for the heavily gimped dies it's reversed
AD103 - 14 SMs cut is 4070 Ti super
AD104 - 14 SMs cut is 4070

That way 4080 isn't competing with Ti super.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Because plenty of AD103 that have at least 66 good SMs in them or 75-80% were being stockpiled for one year. However 4070 was introduced early and the price lowered.

Who are you responding too? If you're responding to someone, please use the "Reply" button so we can can follow along. Otherwise it just seems like you're being a thread troll.

AD103 - 4 SMs less went for 4080.
AD104 - 4 SMs cut is 4070 super.
But for the heavily gimped dies it's reversed
AD103 - 14 SMs cut is 4070 Ti super
AD104 - 14 SMs cut is 4070

That way 4080 isn't competing with Ti super.

Your logic is flawed. What core version it's based on or how many compute units it has are not the principle factors in arriving at the value if a GPU. Actual real-world performance is. So anyone who can read numbers and graphs can make a very clear conclusion. Example;
Here,

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super TUF OC Review

The ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super TUF stands out with one of the strongest coolers in today's tests. Its dual BIOS feature, particularly the quiet mode BIOS, contributes to an exceptionally quiet operation, making it a standout option for those in search of a whisper-quiet gaming experience.

www.techpowerup.com

And here,

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super TUF OC Review

The ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super TUF stands out with one of the strongest coolers in today's tests. Its dual BIOS feature, particularly the quiet mode BIOS, contributes to an exceptionally quiet operation, making it a standout option for those in search of a whisper-quiet gaming experience.

www.techpowerup.com

Oh, and here too,

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super TUF OC Review

The ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super TUF stands out with one of the strongest coolers in today's tests. Its dual BIOS feature, particularly the quiet mode BIOS, contributes to an exceptionally quiet operation, making it a standout option for those in search of a whisper-quiet gaming experience.

www.techpowerup.com

What do you think that conclusion is, hmm?

 

[N/A]

Respodning to the above of course. you beat me to it. nothing is flawed.
just stating the facts, that they are reversed. a very clever move by nvidia to avoid internal competition.