Asus P8P67 eSATA not delivering power (cannot power internal HDD).

[newconroer]

EDIT: Board does not support 12v over eSataP.

P8 P67 Pro has two rear eSata connectors, one red (data only), one green (data/power).

I recently picked up one of these HDD SATA 22 Pin to eSATA Data + USB Power Cable.
Upon plugging it in, the hard disk is not powering on. I tried three different disks.

I have used every combination of red and green Esata ports with or without the accompanying USB lead.
Also plugged in the USB lead alone, to see if that would force power into the device.

I did this each time with the computer off first, to avoid any hotplug issues.
Furthermore I have the most recent eSata supported JMicron driver enabled in bios and the JMBX 36 driver installed in Windows.



Any ideas why it won't power on?

 

[Ferrum Master]

Those cables usually are prone to poor contact. I have to screw around port to get it connected. Poor design. I hope you are using only 2.5inch 5V devices...

 

[newtekie1]

Those only provide 5v, so they only work with laptop drives and SSDs. They won't power a full size internal hard drive, because those require 12v.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Those only provide 5v, so they only work with laptop drives and SSDs. They won't power a full size internal hard drive, because those require 12v.

put the USB header into a phone charger... it has not enough juice...

I have bought few these to power up hubs and it works as a cable extender too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-Sale-US...010202?hash=item1c3538f7da:g:xbYAAOSwhwdVUuPF

 

[newconroer]

OK so from this I am getting that I need a 12v rated cable. Would that then be eSATAp only and annex the USB side of it?

Like this

 

[Ferrum Master]

No... you need to feed the HDD by yourself.

And use only a cable with plain sata.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-5M-eSat...079758?hash=item5b02ec884e:g:3nAAAOxynwlTd07f


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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-5-3-5-I...495251?hash=item3cb7407f93:g:1JoAAOSwNphWZoSG

 

[newconroer]

No... you need to feed the HDD by yourself.

And use only a cable with plain sata.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-5M-eSat...079758?hash=item5b02ec884e:g:3nAAAOxynwlTd07f


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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-5-3-5-I...495251?hash=item3cb7407f93:g:1JoAAOSwNphWZoSG

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of powered eSata?

See 2:15 and 5:04

 

[rtwjunkie]

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of powered eSata?

I would just plan on using eSATA for the data, and externally powering the device.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Doesn't this defeat the purpose of powered eSata?

esata is a stillborn... haven't been able to power up a 12V drive from it. The startup currents are way to big... well one exception... if I used a backplate with wires to sata and the thing is powered by molex... but that's cheating.

 

[newconroer]

These aren't new products or cables, and he is using the same thing I am - sans the USB portion. Maybe I've purchased the wrong one that doesn't support eSataP.

The point of this is so that you do not have to keep opening up the case to test out harddisks through the internal wiring and nor do you have to buy a powered USB hub/hard disk hub.

 

[Ferrum Master]

These aren't new products or cables, and he is using the same thing I am - sans the USB portion. Maybe I've purchased the wrong one that doesn't support eSataP.

The point of this is so that you do not have to keep opening up the case to test out harddisks through the internal wiring and nor do you have to buy a powered USB hub/hard disk hub.

I have such a cable well. Yours is a lottery... look in the mouth of the esata cable and see the pins. If they are all in they should work... you can double check it with a voltage meter in diode test mode... If not... I had several boards... with blown fuses behind the eSatap, well then it is it. I still suggest using separate combo. It is more safe.

UPDATE.

I watched one youtube video... poked my eyes... trying to see if there are 12V pins in your power sata... no I could not see them... only 5V usb mode... soo that leaves only the combo option... or a bracket...

http://www.pcssl.co.nz/Documents/ProdInfo/Addonics/euhp.htm

 

[jsfitz54]

@ OP, what version of board are you using (first v. Deluxe model was recalled). The suggestions to use another power source is well founded. This "old" technology has not become mainstream due to buggy/faulty design and implementation.

The advice to use a docking station with its own power source is a good one. That's how I use mine.

 

[Ferrum Master]

@ OP, what version of board are you using

mate... his first word says P8 P67 Pro

 

[jsfitz54]

mate... his first word says P8 P67 Pro

I have the Deluxe version of mobo, same ports, mine is green. My models first version was faulty.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cm_re=esatap_cable-_-0ZF-002C-00025-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cm_re=esatap_cable-_-9SIA29716C8573-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cm_re=esatap_cable-_-9SIA39V2UW5706-_-Product

 

[Ferrum Master]

I have the Deluxe version of mobo, same ports, mine is green. My models first version was faulty.

You mean a bad sample or a mass production problem...? Yes a bit funny, newconroer (I always read it as the new coroner) states he has a Deluxe in system specs, but here "just" a pro.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Some are Supposed to be 5V OR 12V...but IME powering a 3.5" is a Lost cause from what ive encountered... I am actually in the process of getting a refund on a 2.5/3.5 HDD sata 22pin to eSATAp , that wont power my drives, so im gonna TRY to get a 2.5 to see if it will work,

 

[Ferrum Master]

Some are Supposed to be 5V OR 12V...but IME powering a 3.5" is a Lost cause from what ive encountered... I am actually in the process of getting a refund on a 2.5/3.5 HDD sata 22pin to eSATAp , that wont power my drives, so im gonna TRY to get a 2.5 to see if it will work,

There are 5V and hybrids 5V + 12V, fleabay may cheat and giving only the 5V ones. The esata is such a mess as I said.

Wiki about the mess...

Compatibility[edit]

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eSATAp throughput is not necessarily the same as SATA, many enclosures and docks that support both esata and USB use combo bridge chips which can severely reduce the throughput, and USB throughput is that of the USB version supported by the port (typically USB 3.0 or 2.0). eSATAp ports (bracket versions[clarification needed]) can run at a theoretical maximum of 6 Gbit/s (bits per sec) and are backwards compatible with devices such as eSATA 3 Gbit/s (SATA Revision 2) and also at 1.5 Gbit/s (SATA Revision 1). The USB port is fully compatible with USB 5 Gbit/s (USB 3.0), USB 480 Mbit/s (USB 2.0) and USB 12 Mbit/s (1.1); USB 3.0 devices are compatible, but will operate at USB 2.0 speed if internal USB 3.0 connector is not connected.

+12 V issue[edit]

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There are only two versions of this port. Most laptop computers do not have 12 V power available, and have an eSATAp port which provides only 5 V. Desktop computers, with 12 V available, have a port with two additional pads, placed against the plug's "horns", which provide 12 V. Some manufacturers refer to these ports as eSATApd, where d stands for "dual voltage". Some devices, such as 2.5-inch drives, can operate off the 5 V supplied by laptop eSATAp ports. Others, such as 3.5-inch drives, also require 12 V; they can be powered from a desktop eSATAp port, but require an external 12 V power supply if used with a laptop computer. This can lead to confusion if users are not aware of the distinction.

eSATAp PCI and PCI-e add-on cards are available for desktop computers. They usually provide two eSATAp ports, with port multiplier functionality, and hot-swap capability.

eSATAp cables are available with wide connectors to plug directly into the power and signal connectors of a bare drive, providing a 12 V supply in the case of a desktop machine. A version of this wide connector is found inside every external sata hard drive enclosure; when the hard drive is slid inside, it mates with a connector that supplies it with both signal and power.

If the smaller side of this cable is plugged into a "powered" esata port, providing both 12 V and 5 V, then the wide end may be plugged into a 2.5" or 3.5" sata hard drive, supplying the bare drive with both signal and power. The small 2.5" drive will get signal and power at 5 V, which is all that the smaller drive requires, and which the larger 3.5" drive requires only for its logic board. Additionally, the larger 3.5" drive will get the 12 V it needs to power its disk spindle motor. Thus a bare hard drive may be conveniently placed directly on top of the computer, or on an adjacent table, and powered by the unique cable, it will run at full sata speeds, without the necessity of placing the hard drive into an external enclosure. This can be very useful for hard drive testing before deploying the drive for other purposes, or for booting off a hard drive with an operating system that is only rarely used, or for data storage, in a more compact manner than keeping each drive in its own external enclosure.

Naming[edit]
The following names are used by different manufacturers for the same port:

• eSATAp (Delock, Dynex, Lindy, Addonics)
• eSATApd (Used by Delock to distinguish a port that supplies both +5 V and +12 V)
• Power over eSATA (Delock, Micro-Star International (MSI))
• eSATA/USB (Gigabyte Technology)
• Power eSATA/USB (ASRock)
• SATA on the go (Asus)

Other computer manufacturers are shipping computers and motherboards with eSATAp ports including Dell, HP, Lenovo, Sony and Toshiba[1].

 

[rtwjunkie]

There are 5V and hybrids 5V + 12V, fleabay may cheat and giving only the 5V ones. The esata is such a mess as I said.

Wiki about the mess...

This is why I just stick to regular eSATA (which I prefer for external drives, btw due to being faster than USB 3.0).

 

[jsfitz54]

There are 5V and hybrids 5V + 12V, fleabay may cheat and giving only the 5V ones. The esata is such a mess as I said.

I was just reading the specs on the one the OP bought and the wording of the product sucks: "If you use it with your 3.5 or 5.5" HDD, then please make sure that your USB devices offer 12V Power".

I'm thinking his cable is faulty. See the Newegg links I posted above. These cables are short by design so you won't find a 6' foot cable.

You mean a bad sample or a mass production problem...?

Mass production recall.

Yes a bit funny, newconroer (I always read it as the new coroner) states he has a Deluxe in system specs, but here "just" a pro.

Yes, I wasn't sure about what he wrote either.

 

[newtekie1]

I've only ever come across one eSATAp port that provided 12v, and that was on a server. Even on the higher end desktop boards, the manufacturers are cheap and just merge a USB port and eSATA port and only provide 5v power.

I say, just bite the bullet and get external power source, or an eSATA dock with external power.

 

[newconroer]

I was just reading the specs on the one the OP bought and the wording of the product sucks: "If you use it with your 3.5 or 5.5" HDD, then please make sure that your USB devices offer 12V Power".

I have a feeling that the way they intend this to be used is eSata for the data and USB into a USB hub/powered hub that offers the appropriate voltage.


I will get a 12v rated eSataP and see what happens. Maybe in the process I can find out if the eSataP(green port) on the board is damaged / faulty.
If it still fails, then I'll have to resort to a dock I suppose.

mate... his first word says P8 P67 Pro

Spec data was wrong, it is the Pro. It has red eSata and green eSataP.

 

[newconroer]

Original post updated -
Board does not support 12v over eSataP.

 

[newtekie1]

Original post updated -
Board does not support 12v over eSataP.

Kinda figured.