Building a Quadro ATX A5000 machine

[Muck Muster]

A friend of mine has been so amused by a 8700k I made myself a few years back and he asked if we could build him a gaming/CAD machine. He's a general contractor and it's really not my speed of life. But since he's a friend, I thought I'd take a look or I'd lend a hand in laying some of the ground work for this machine. I am unfamiliar with Revit and Autodesk Maya 2023 let alone Xeon and Quadro but sitting down with going over the components, I doubt that this machine can be good for gaming. This is a totally different machine from anything I've worked with. Can anyone do gaming on these machines? Do any of you gamer/techs know if doing both is a good idea? A Xeon 2.3 doesn't sound fast coming out of the box but at 16 cores with 28 processes sounds intimidating. I'd love it if asked for two separate machines apart from each other. What do I know?

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[Chrispy_]

The first question that I always ask (as someone who works as a system integrator and IT manager in the AEC CAD industry) is "what software is he/she running"?

The RTX 5000 is so expensive that if you don't 100% absolutely require it, you should just get a 3090 or 2080Ti instead. The money saved is so dramatically significant that it makes pretty much every other decision about hardware irrelevant.

• CATIA, Solidworks, Creo PM (Pro/Engineer) all benefit from some functions of Quadros, but that's almost exclusively limited to wireframe AA acceleration these days - which is becoming less relevant by the year with affordable 4K displays and DSR. HOWEVER: You don't need Quadros and cards like the 3090 are so much better than lower-to-midrange Quadros that they can just brute-force their way past anyway.
  
  
• Autodesk, Bentley, McNeel, Enscape, Twinmotion - don't even bother going with a Quadro. It's utterly pointless because their engines are either too old to matter or they're derived from Geforce-optimised game engines.

The Quadro RTX 5000 is just a dated RTX 2080 with twice the frame buffer. It's about 6x the cost of a 2080 and a 3090 blows it out of the water in every conceivable way for less money. It'll be as good for everything in the first list above, and vastly superior for everything in the second list. Additionally, unless this person needs >16GB of frame buffer for models, just get a 3080 12GB and run the Nvidia studio driver. There, I just saved you $1000+ to splurge on whatever CPU/Board/RAM/Case/SSD you want.

 

[Muck Muster]

Thanks for this information. Today I saw a Nvidia RTX 3090ti on sale for $1200. I kept asking myself how much difference is a Quadro from a high end gpu? I have no idea who structures my friends' idea he needs a Quadro RTX 5000. Maybe those whom he associates with or contracts him to fulfill their architects' plans. I don't know if he's works for more than one corporation or company, if he needs to work with developers. That kind of multi-tasking is beyond me. He did mentioned Revit and Autodesk (yes, Autodesk mentioned 3090 in their system requirements). Maybe whoever pays him dictates what kind of hardware/software he should have. He's got money but I just didn't want him to spend money just because he has it. So much thanks to you. And I will let him know 3090 is a better option (my friend will probably like that) (maybe buy one for myself). Thanks for your help.

 

[Chrispy_]

The line between Quadro and Titan (now called 3090) started to get quite blurred a few years ago. These days the only real reasons to use Quadro over a Geforce come down to a specific piece of software needing a specific feature of a Quadro.

The thing is, most CAD software is designed to now run on a laptop, or over Citrix, or over another VDI solution, and it's no longer viable to sell software that only works on a Quadro-level card. As a result, it's extremely rare that CAD packages don't run well on regular consumer cards. About a decade ago, there were still a few things that had vastly better viewport performance on a Quadro compared to a Geforce but Puget Systems benchmark this sort of stuff and that is essentially no longer the case.

We're not quite there yet, but Quadro is becoming little more than an ISV-certified label and a way of paying a massive premium to have dedicated driver support for software issues. Realistically, if you're using mainstream software from a major publisher, all of those issues will have been fixed in the Nvidia Studio Driver.

Thanks for this information. Today I saw a Nvidia RTX 3090ti on sale for $1200. I kept asking myself how much difference is a Quadro from a high end gpu? I have no idea who structures my friends' idea he needs a Quadro RTX 5000. Maybe those whom he associates with or contracts him to fulfill their architects' plans. I don't know if he's works for more than one corporation or company, if he needs to work with developers. That kind of multi-tasking is beyond me. He did mentioned Revit and Autodesk (yes, Autodesk mentioned 3090 in their system requirements). Maybe whoever pays him dictates what kind of hardware/software he should have. He's got money but I just didn't want him to spend money just because he has it. So much thanks to you. And I will let him know 3090 is a better option (my friend will probably like that) (maybe buy one for myself). Thanks for your help.

Don't even need a Ti. The thing that matters with a 3090 is the 24GB of VRAM. The performance delta between a 3080/3080Ti/3080-12GB/3090/3090Ti is absolutely irrelevant. If Nvidia made a 3070 with more VRAM, then even that would likely be overkill.

The thing about CAD software is that it's generally unculled, non-optimised geometry on a high-precision, slow-to-calculate engine. You're going to hit CPU bottlenecks long before maxing out a high-end GPU these days.