Chinese Manufacturer Asgard Launches 4,800 MHz DDR5 Memory Modules

[Raevenlord]

In the name of Odin, Chinese manufacturer Asgard has launched their first DDR5 memory modules to market - beating some competing western companies that are still "gearing up" for it. Owned by the much less interestingly-named Shenzhen Jiahe Jinwei Electronic Technology Co., Ltd., Asgard likewise lost some of its flair in naming these DDR5 sticks - the best they could do was VMA5AUK-MMH224W3. The modules will be available in 32 GB, 64 GB and 128 GB per-stick densities.

The initial modules don't have any flair - they're built with the same green PCB that's actually the forerunner of today's colored ones. The company hs also announced that the modules win run at a relatively mild 4,800 MHz (the DDR5 specification goes up to 8,400 MHz), and that its timings coincide with JEDEC's "B" classification, which should mean 40-40-40. The voltage likewise remains at the JEDEC-set standard of 1.1 V. The company announced that mass-production rollout will only occur after there are actual CPUs and platforms that can take advantage of the DDR5 memory spec, and said that they expect Intel's Alder-Lake, Sapphire Rapids and Tiger Lake-U from the blue team, as well as Van Gogh and Rembrandt APUs from the AMD camp. No word on consumer pricing was available at time of writing.



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[KarymidoN]

hoping it gets adopted soon so we get better DDR4 prices

 

[Deleted member 50521]

Wait who makes the actual memory chip IC?? Samsung? Micron?

 

[R-T-B]

Wait who makes the actual memory chip IC?? Samsung? Micron?

Probably china-clone chips?

 

[R0H1T]

hoping it gets adopted soon so we get better DDR4 prices

How

 

[KarymidoN]

How

Getting USED DDR4, just because its used doenst mean it doesnt work and can still be usefull for some for a couple years down the road while we wait to DDR5 prices to go down.

 

[R0H1T]

Oh I thought you had mixed up DDR4 & DDR5, anyway I don't think DDR4 prices are going much higher if at all in the short to medium term.

 

[ThrashZone]

hoping it gets adopted soon so we get better DDR4 prices

Hi,
Think ddr4 has been dropping like a stone in water over the past year already

 

[Emu]

Hi,
Think ddr4 has been dropping like a stone in water over the past year already

Exactly this, the G.Skill 3200MHz 2x16GB kit that I bought with my 3900x at launch is almost half the price now compared to what I bought at.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

4800 for early DDR5 may seem like a good deal, but it isnt.

 

[bonehead123]

Wonder how many backdoors/keyloggers/spywarez/malwarez they plan to include with these chips ???????

Exactly this, the G.Skill 3200MHz 2x16GB kit that I bought with my 3900x at launch is almost half the price now compared to what I bought at.

Yes, but ONLY until DDR 5 production begins to ramp up, then DDR4 mfgr's will start ramping DOWN it's production, then prices will rise quickly, just like in every other move from one spec to the next....

"NEW" anything tech-related is always expensive until it begins to gain a foothold in the market, then prices start to level out and/or drop gradually...
Unfortunately, that time is still a little further down the road for us consumers, but it IS coming, no doubt about it

Capitalism 101 at it's finest, which is a dish best served cold, and covered in a smooth, spicey, moohlah-based green sauce, hehehe

 

[ThrashZone]

Exactly this, the G.Skill 3200MHz 2x16GB kit that I bought with my 3900x at launch is almost half the price now compared to what I bought at.

Hi,
Yep I bought another set of 3600c16 4x8gb b-die for nearly half price I paid for another set of the same.
Crazy but I could not resist talk about happy and sad at the same time lol I was torn

 

[BigBonedCartman]

PCMR fanboys = “Give me the fastest RAM available price doesn’t matter”..... “ewwww that green RAM stick is so ugly”

 

[watzupken]

I sense at 4800 Mhz and a miserable timing of 40-40-40, performance may regress in some if not most cases. Unless one is running software that prefers a higher bandwidth, I feel it may not be worth the upgrade for now.

 

[AsRock]

40-40-40 ^^, to me that has some way to improve. Seems like they just knocked these out just to YAY were first, just like those annoying people who like to get the first reply in on a thread.

 

[LTUGamer]

Probably china-clone chips?

Chinese memory chips are very rare. There is Changxin factory, but they are manufacturing in low quantities. Chinese RAM/ SSD usually uses Micron/ SK Hynix products. Which makes them as good as regular value memory modules

 

[Tomorrow]

Unless DDR5 does some magic behind the scenes i dont see it being any faster than DDR4. Atleast in terms of latency:

4800 Mhz @ CL40 is 16,66ns

3200 Mhz CL16 DDR4 is 10,00ns.
3800 CL14 is 7,36ns.
4800 CL18 is 7,91ns.

So intial DDR5 latency will be double that of DDR4. Bit less when compared to standard 3200 CL16 kits.
I also calculated numbers based on speeds we should be getting in the coming years. Assuming the latency does not rise even more:

6400 Mhz CL40 is 12,50ns.
8400 Mhz CL40 is 9,52ns.

So only when DDR5 crosses 8000 Mhz at CL40 does it achieve latency parity with 3200 CL16 but it will still lose to faster DDR4 kits.
So here's hoping that they are no just hoping to brute force performance with raw bandwidth and there are some other things DDR5 does to achieve better latency than a simple Mhz/CL calculation would suggest.

 

[Jism]

Take into account that DDR5 has it's own voltage regulation now and no longer on the board(s). I wonder what happens with any (over)voltage setup(s) or if it's vendor locked in now. Premium pricing for DDR5 that allows overvoltage.

 

[Nucleoprotein]

Unless DDR5 does some magic behind the scenes i dont see it being any faster than DDR4. Atleast in terms of latency:

4800 Mhz @ CL40 is 16,66ns

3200 Mhz CL16 DDR4 is 10,00ns.
3800 CL14 is 7,36ns.
4800 CL18 is 7,91ns.

So intial DDR5 latency will be double that of DDR4. Bit less when compared to standard 3200 CL16 kits.
I also calculated numbers based on speeds we should be getting in the coming years. Assuming the latency does not rise even more:

6400 Mhz CL40 is 12,50ns.
8400 Mhz CL40 is 9,52ns.

So only when DDR5 crosses 8000 Mhz at CL40 does it achieve latency parity with 3200 CL16 but it will still lose to faster DDR4 kits.
So here's hoping that they are no just hoping to brute force performance with raw bandwidth and there are some other things DDR5 does to achieve better latency than a simple Mhz/CL calculation would suggest.

Yeah, also why sticker says it's UDIMM?
Wikipedia: "All DDR5 DIMMs are registered; a "registered clock driver" (RCD) chip converts a 7-bit-wide double data rate command/address bus to the DIMM to the 14-bit-wide single data rate command/address signals expected by the DRAM chips."
Maybe wiki is wrong, but for getting specs from JEDEC you need to pay .. DDR5 SDRAM | JEDEC
There is some Micron whitepaper here: https://www.micron.com/-/media/clie..._more_than_a_generational_update_wp.pdf?la=en
It seems there is many improvements, new commands, also On-die ECC.

 

[Fatalfury]

Always Remember...
Never become a beta tester for a 1st Generation Expensive Product.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

Wonder how many backdoors/keyloggers/spywarez/malwarez they plan to include with these chips ???????

 

[Tomorrow]

He's clearly a Bloomberg reader lol

 

[R-T-B]

He's clearly a Bloomberg reader lol

nah, he's just a bonehead. Hey, he's totally upfront about it.

 

[Caring1]

Yeah, also why sticker says it's UDIMM?

Because that's what they are.
Seems you know how to use Wikipedia, look up uDIMM.

 

[R-T-B]

Because that's what they are.
Seems you know how to use Wikipedia, look up uDIMM.

UDIMM (unregistered DIMM) and registered dimm are mutually exclusive.

DDR5 has to be registered.

Do the math.