Compatibility

[Vernon]

Is the

G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin SDRAM (PC4-25600) DDR4 3200 CL16-18-18-38 1.35V Quad Channel Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-128GTZR compatible with the​

MSI Meg X570 Unify Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6GB/s, M.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, Ax Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5, ATX?​

 

[Why_Me]

MEG X570 UNIFY | Motherboard | MSI Global

Best AMD AM4 X570 ATX gaming motherboard, lightning PCIe 4.0, three lightning M.2, Frozr heatsink, WiFi 6, aluminum cove with extended heatsink, USB 3.2 Gen 2, M.2 heatsink, excellent overclocking, pre-install I/O, MSI GAMING

www.msi.com

 

[Vernon]

MEG X570 UNIFY | Motherboard | MSI Global

Best AMD AM4 X570 ATX gaming motherboard, lightning PCIe 4.0, three lightning M.2, Frozr heatsink, WiFi 6, aluminum cove with extended heatsink, USB 3.2 Gen 2, M.2 heatsink, excellent overclocking, pre-install I/O, MSI GAMING

www.msi.com

But are the Gskill trident z rgb series ram sticks compatible with it? I need to know because I’m building a PC for the first time and am choosing my components.

 

[Why_Me]

But are the Gskill trident z rgb series ram sticks compatible with it? I need to know because I’m building a PC for the first time and am choosing my components.

Yes that memory is compatible. Just curious but is your build for video editing?

 

[Mussels]

But are the Gskill trident z rgb series ram sticks compatible with it? I need to know because I’m building a PC for the first time and am choosing my components.

They're compatible with the motherboard but not guaranteed to be comaptible with the CPU, nor guaranteed to run at their full speed on any combination of motherboard and CPU used

 

[Why_Me]

They're compatible with the motherboard but not guaranteed to be comaptible with the CPU, nor guaranteed to run at their full speed on any combination of motherboard and CPU used

Right you are. With that said this being the OP's first build, 128GB's of RGB RAM and an older chipset has me thinking unless his build is for something such as professional video editing for example then it can be improved upon. That's a lot of RAM.

 

[Vernon]

They're compatible with the motherboard but not guaranteed to be comaptible with the CPU, nor guaranteed to run at their full speed on any combination of motherboard and CPU used

Thank you. I’ll likely be good then. the processor I got is the

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor. And I have a full step by step video tutorial on going into my settings and maximizing the full power and potential of my ram, processor, hdd, ssd and graphics card.​

 

[Mussels]

Thank you. I’ll likely be good then. the processor I got is the

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor. And I have a full step by step video tutorial on going into my settings and maximizing the full power and potential of my ram, processor, hdd, ssd and graphics card.​

This is from the newer 5800x3D, which has the same memory controller

Please don't change your font and bold text for no reason. It's incredibly difficult to read for other users if text size is constantly changing.

That "step by step video tutorial" is something i would absolutely advise you against because a single change in hardware from whatever system is in that guide or even intended use case can make the settings they use totally worthless, and possibly cause problems.

 

[Vernon]

This is from the newer 5800x3D, which has the same memory controller
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Please don't change your font and bold text for no reason. It's incredibly difficult to read for other users if text size is constantly changing.

That "step by step video tutorial" is something i would absolutely advise you against because a single change in hardware from whatever system is in that guide or even intended use case can make the settings they use totally worthless, and possibly cause problems.

The ram sticks I got is a 4 pack. It’s 3200 MHz, 64 GB each, totaling the max 128 GB of ram my motherboard will support.

 

[Bones]

It's fine - Ryzen doesn't have problems with G. Skill sticks like Corsair sticks do.
Pop them in and go.

I'd be highly suprised if you do have problems with them TBH.

 

[Vernon]

It's fine - Ryzen doesn't have problems with G. Skill sticks like Corsair sticks do.
Pop them in and go.

I'd be highly suprised if you do have problems with them TBH.

Oh, I’m gladly going to pop them in and go as soon as the sticks arrive and I finish the final touches on my very first build I’ve been working on here. I’ll update you if I do hit any snags. Thank you to you and all others on this thread for the helpful input and advice.

 

[Mussels]

The ram sticks I got is a 4 pack. It’s 3200 MHz, 64 GB each, totaling the max 128 GB of ram my motherboard will support.

Yes, but that doesnt change anything i've stated.
The motherboard supports 128GB, but it all comes down to the CPU - and that CPU with four dual rank sticks officially only supports 2667. It may take manual settings of voltage, or may only work at 2667.

It's fine - Ryzen doesn't have problems with G. Skill sticks like Corsair sticks do.
Pop them in and go.

I'd be highly suprised if you do have problems with them TBH.

That is not how RAM works at all.
Neither corsair nor G.SKill make RAM, they're just resellers.

Corsair had issues with sticks under 3000MT/s using samsung RAM that was dual rank with odd-numbered timings, since ryzen's GDM feature only activated above 2667 - and that feature was added after the 2000 series launched via a BIOS update. They were simply the most well-known example because corsair sell more RAM than G.skill.

Oh, I’m gladly going to pop them in and go as soon as the sticks arrive and I finish the final touches on my very first build I’ve been working on here. I’ll update you if I do hit any snags. Thank you to you and all others on this thread for the helpful input and advice.

They'll work. They just may not work reliably at XMP speeds without some adjustments.

 

[Vernon]

Yes, but that doesnt change anything i've stated.
The motherboard supports 128GB, but it all comes down to the CPU - and that CPU with four dual rank sticks officially only supports 2667. It may take manual settings of voltage, or may only work at 2667.

That is not how RAM works at all.
Neither corsair nor G.SKill make RAM, they're just resellers.

Corsair had issues with sticks under 3000MT/s using samsung RAM that was dual rank with odd-numbered timings, since ryzen's GDM feature only activated above 2667 - and that feature was added after the 2000 series launched via a BIOS update. They were simply the most well-known example because corsair sell more RAM than G.skill.

They'll work. They just may not work reliably at XMP speeds without some adjustments.

I’m aware that with pretty much any of the AMD 5000 series processors you have to go to the bios and make some adjustments, and I’m sure once I do everything will be running at optimal performance. At 8 cores and 16 threads, once I make the bios adjustments, even with a Ryzen 7 5800X, my PC is going to be a beast.

Yes, but that doesnt change anything i've stated.
The motherboard supports 128GB, but it all comes down to the CPU - and that CPU with four dual rank sticks officially only supports 2667. It may take manual settings of voltage, or may only work at 2667.

That is not how RAM works at all.
Neither corsair nor G.SKill make RAM, they're just resellers.

Corsair had issues with sticks under 3000MT/s using samsung RAM that was dual rank with odd-numbered timings, since ryzen's GDM feature only activated above 2667 - and that feature was added after the 2000 series launched via a BIOS update. They were simply the most well-known example because corsair sell more RAM than G.skill.

They'll work. They just may not work reliably at XMP speeds without some adjustments.

Just to be safe though, I’m going to get some 2667 mhz ram.

• AMD's fastest 8 core processor for mainstream desktop, with 16 procesing threads. OS Support-Windows 10 64-Bit Edition
• Can deliver elite 100-plus FPS performance in the world's most popular games
• Cooler not included, high-performance cooler recommended
• 4.7 GHz Max Boost, unlocked for overclocking, 36 MB of cache, DDR-3200 support
• For the advanced Socket AM4 platform, can support PCIe 4.0 on X570 and B550 motherboards
• 
  This is the specs of the Ryzen 7 5800X, 8 cores, 16 threads processor. The processor that I have. I’m new to this PC building, and you know more about this stuff than I do, but the specs say this processor supports DDR-3200. There’s a big difference between 2667 and 3200.

I’m aware that with pretty much any of the AMD 5000 series processors you have to go to the bios and make some adjustments, and I’m sure once I do everything will be running at optimal performance. At 8 cores and 16 threads, once I make the bios adjustments, even with a Ryzen 7 5800X, my PC is going to be a beast.


Just to be safe though, I’m going to get some 2667 mhz ram.

• AMD's fastest 8 core processor for mainstream desktop, with 16 procesing threads. OS Support-Windows 10 64-Bit Edition
• Can deliver elite 100-plus FPS performance in the world's most popular games
• Cooler not included, high-performance cooler recommended
• 4.7 GHz Max Boost, unlocked for overclocking, 36 MB of cache, DDR-3200 support
• For the advanced Socket AM4 platform, can support PCIe 4.0 on X570 and B550 motherboards
• 
  This is the specs of the Ryzen 7 5800X, 8 cores, 16 threads processor. The processor that I have. I’m new to this PC building, and you know more about this stuff than I do, but the specs say this processor supports DDR-3200. There’s a big difference between 2667 and 3200.

And FYI, I have the MSI unify X570 motherboard. Lots of heat sink going on there.

 

[Bones]

Yes, but that doesnt change anything i've stated.
The motherboard supports 128GB, but it all comes down to the CPU - and that CPU with four dual rank sticks officially only supports 2667. It may take manual settings of voltage, or may only work at 2667.

That is not how RAM works at all.
Neither corsair nor G.SKill make RAM, they're just resellers.

Corsair had issues with sticks under 3000MT/s using samsung RAM that was dual rank with odd-numbered timings, since ryzen's GDM feature only activated above 2667 - and that feature was added after the 2000 series launched via a BIOS update. They were simply the most well-known example because corsair sell more RAM than G.skill.

They'll work. They just may not work reliably at XMP speeds without some adjustments.

I never referred to "How they work", RAM is just that - RAM, and based on the IC's they have affects what they can and cannot do.

The "Makers" of them DO configure things like their default, voltage, timings and speed for example, all that is within the realm of what RAM makers will do when they are programmed by said makers.

And there is no denying all the problems with Ryzen and Corsair sticks (Especially the Vengence line), too many instances of it to even count here and elsewhere with this hardware combination being the culprit of so many issues.
There is nothing wrong with either of them since separately they do fine, they just tend to not like each other in particular.
The way the Corsairs are setup (Programmed) by default is probrably the real reason why these sticks can misbehave with Ryzen..... But at the same time there have also been builds with this combo that have done well.

Because of all this I don't suggest mixing Corsair with Ryzen - Can be done but the risk of these headaches happening (To me) is just too great for me to recommend it so I go with what I know has a good chance of working.
One more thing, I not aware of this going away but it's entirely possible newer Ryzen versions may well be OK overall with them.

 

[Vernon]

Well said. And at the end of the day the specs say my processor will support DDR4-3200, the G-skills Trident ram sticks I chose are 3200 Mhz. I’m not limited to something that is 2667 MHz, I’m good on being able to run what I picked out for my set up, Enough said.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well said. And at the end of the day the specs say my processor will support DDR4-3200, the G-skills Trident ram sticks I chose are 3200 Mhz. I’m not limited to something that is 2667 MHz, I’m good on being able to run what I picked out for my set up, Enough said.

The official support for 3200 considers that you are using one single-sided, single-rank stick per channel, generally a 2 x 4 GB configuration. However, these official figures are extremely conservative, it's basically fail-proof settings on even the crappiest of motherboards accounting for all earlier AGESA version training bugs and uncooperative, low-performing memory ICs.

A 128 GB kit is all but guaranteed to be a dual-rank (2R), dual-sided (2S) with two sticks per channel (2DPC) configuration. It's not a hard limit, however, and 3200 MT/s kits are actually on the slower side - this is a very easy frequency target for the processor, so I think you'll be fine. Just don't expect super tight timings, but that kit's XMP might be achievable with the Unify just fine.

I ran 2R/2S/2DPC Samsung B-die sticks (64 GB, but all ranks populated) at 3600 MT/s successfully with my B0-stepping 5950X and ASUS B550-E, at a rather standard C16 timing set, but it didn't require high VSoC or any major adjustment to impedance settings or the most obscure configs. All in all, I think your chances are more than good with a 5800X3D and such a high-quality motherboard.

 

[Bones]

The official support for 3200 considers that you are using one single-sided, single-rank stick per channel, generally a 2 x 4 GB configuration. However, these official figures are extremely conservative, it's basically fail-proof settings on even the crappiest of motherboards accounting for all earlier AGESA version training bugs and uncooperative, low-performing memory ICs.

A 128 GB kit is all but guaranteed to be a dual-rank (2R), dual-sided (2S) with two sticks per channel (2DPC) configuration. It's not a hard limit, however, and 3200 MT/s kits are actually on the slower side - this is a very easy frequency target for the processor, so I think you'll be fine. Just don't expect super tight timings, but that kit's XMP might be achievable with the Unify just fine.

I ran 2R/2S/2DPC Samsung B-die sticks (64 GB, but all ranks populated) at 3600 MT/s successfully with my B0-stepping 5950X and ASUS B550-E, at a rather standard C16 timing set, but it didn't require high VSoC or any major adjustment to impedance settings or the most obscure configs. All in all, I think your chances are more than good with a 5800X3D and such a high-quality motherboard.

I agree - My MSI board is an X570 MEG ACE, the direct predecessor to the Unify since the Unify was it's replacement in the MSI lineup when the ACE was discontinued.
And this is what I was able to get from it related to RAM speed:
Bones`s Memory Frequency score: 2232.8 MHz with a DDR4 SDRAM

Note the timings, chip used and all else I was running, the sticks themselves are G. Skill 3600 CL16 sticks, ran at their basic stock timings to get this with the obvious over-volting of these sticks. Only thing different from stock was I ran them at 2T instead of 1T.
I was exploring just how high these could go at those settings when I did it.
This board is a good RAM clocker and the Unify should be too provided the BIOS isn't off or something like that because the board used is alot of it on top of tweaks and other things.

 

[Vernon]

I agree - My MSI board is an X570 MEG ACE, the direct predecessor to the Unify since the Unify was it's replacement in the MSI lineup when the ACE was discontinued.
And this is what I was able to get from it related to RAM speed:
Bones`s Memory Frequency score: 2232.8 MHz with a DDR4 SDRAM

Note the timings, chip used and all else I was running, the sticks themselves are G. Skill 3600 CL16 sticks, ran at their basic stock timings to get this with the obvious over-volting of these sticks. Only thing different from stock was I ran them at 2T instead of 1T.
I was exploring just how high these could go at those settings when I did it.
This board is a good RAM clocker and the Unify should be too provided the BIOS isn't off or something like that because the board used is alot of it on top of tweaks and other things.

Okay. I just went online and ordered something else though. I ordered the Ryzen 9 7950X 16 core 32 thread unlocked and the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk. Now I’m going to have to find some DDR5 ram sticks that I like. Oh, my new processor came with the limited time offer of the digital download for Starwars: survivor too.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Okay. I just went online and ordered something else though. I ordered the Ryzen 9 7950X 16 core 32 thread unlocked and the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk. Now I’m going to have to find some DDR5 ram sticks that I like. Oh, my new processor came with the limited time offer of the digital download for Starwars: survivor too.

Impulse buying is a bad idea. Very bad idea! Well, what's done is done. Do keep in mind that unlike the X570 Unify, the B650 Tomahawk is an entry-level motherboard and that unlike DDR4, DDR5 is still a new standard and as a result, it is *extra* picky about capacity and frequency scaling. There are no high-capacity, but high-performance DDR5 kits. You have to choose, there's no having both. Memory training process will be particularly challenging with high-capacity memory kits on AMD platforms.

You never clarified what you are building the system for. Buying the 5800X3D for the Unify would yield much better gaming performance at a significantly lower cost, and buying a 5950X if you are doing render or video editing would have been much, much more reasonable for the simple reason that the Unify is a much better motherboard on a time tested and mostly ironed out platform whose only kinks left bother only the most extreme enthusiasts and aren't even relevant to the average user.

 

[Vernon]

Impulse buying is a bad idea. Very bad idea! Well, what's done is done. Do keep in mind that unlike the X570 Unify, the B650 Tomahawk is an entry-level motherboard and that unlike DDR4, DDR5 is still a new standard and as a result, it is *extra* picky about capacity and frequency scaling. There are no high-capacity, but high-performance DDR5 kits. You have to choose, there's no having both. Memory training process will be particularly challenging with high-capacity memory kits on AMD platforms.

You never clarified what you are building the system for. Buying the 5800X3D for the Unify would yield much better gaming performance at a significantly lower cost, and buying a 5950X if you are doing render or video editing would have been much, much more reasonable for the simple reason that the Unify is a much better motherboard on a time tested and mostly ironed out platform whose only kinks left bother only the most extreme enthusiasts and aren't even relevant to the average user.

I am building my PC for gaming. Either way, I’m now going to own both motherboards and processors so I’ll be able to have multiple options.

 

[Calenhad]

You do NOT need (or want) 128GB ram for gaming. Get a 2x16GB kit and call it quits. More ram will not make your games run better, since they are incapable of using more of it.



(And if you really, really have to at least stop at 2x32GB)

 

[AsRock]

Okay. I just went online and ordered something else though. I ordered the Ryzen 9 7950X 16 core 32 thread unlocked and the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk. Now I’m going to have to find some DDR5 ram sticks that I like. Oh, my new processor came with the limited time offer of the digital download for Starwars: survivor too.

Be best to make a new thread for it and leave this one for the x570, if your just gaming as others have said there is no need for 128GB of ram.

 

[Mussels]

Just to be safe though, I’m going to get some 2667 mhz ram.

You dont need to do that, and that wont help you in any way.

You asked about compatibility and got told that no, what you chose is not compatible with your CPU out of the box.
And then it's been weird random decisions totally outside of what you were told the alternatives are - less RAM, or altering BIOS settings.

Of course, now that you've chosen to get an entirely different platform with entirely different and more limited RAM support, i can only imagine how that's going to go for you.