CPU Benchmarks vs Real World Performance

[trparky]

We here and at other sites like this place all talk about benchmark numbers, synthetic or otherwise. We talk about how CPUz numbers are higher, we talk about how FPS numbers are higher, etc. but we never seem to talk about how newer and faster processors can translate to real world performance.

For instance... Will upgrading to a newer and faster processor really improve overall system performance? Will it make for a system that boots faster? Will it make for a system that can juggle more open programs at the same time without feeling like it's dragging a boat anchor behind it?

Sure, there are those of us who are hardcore gamers that care about FPS numbers but there are those of us who use our computers for more than just that, they do work on them but not just work but lots of work at the same time; the heavy multitaskers if you will. You know the type, the kind of person who has a multi-monitor setup with programs open on both monitors and a fully loaded task manager. I fall into this category of computer user, the heavy multitasker.

Before you say that there's the 7ZIP numbers they never do tell you how large of a set of files they are attempting to compress in their 7ZIP test. How big are the file? How many? What type of files? Hell, I'd like to see QuickPar/MultiPar numbers be brought to the table as well.

Basically anything that can show how much a newer processor will benefit not just gaming but something that can translate to real world performance. Something that can tell a user if upgrading from a five year old CPU (Core i5 3570k) to a new Ryzen chip will really benefit in how a system can handle a heavy multitask load.

 

[Bill_Bright]

We here and at other sites like this place all talk about benchmark numbers, synthetic or otherwise.
...but we never seem to talk about how newer and faster processors can translate to real world performance.

Huh? I sure don't know where you hang out, but these type discussions, "here and at other sites like this place", have these type discussions all the time. Since you have been a member here for less than a month, I might suggest you look and lurk around a bit before making such declarations.

 

[eidairaman1]

Dude you have several posts on upgrading, there is no need to have one on this when you could of asked this question in another thread of yours.

This to me sounds like topic spamming.

Check my system specs.

Multitasking is as smooth as can be on it.

 

[trparky]

I just looked at your specs, I would have thought you would have been the first to jump on the Ryzen bandwagon to rid yourself of Faildozer.

Oh well, whatever. I'll flag down a moderator to have the thread locked up and deleted.

 

[eidairaman1]

I just looked at your specs, I would have thought you would have been the first to jump on the Ryzen bandwagon to rid yourself of Faildozer.

Oh well, whatever. I'll flag down a moderator to have the thread locked up and deleted.

I didn't have any issues with this platform like early Ryzen Adopters do.

5.0 OC isn't a slouch, in stock form it hammers your cpu in multithread, it competes with Devils canyon and only gets beaten by Skylake. It be wasteful to go to a 7700K now. Only 2011-3/2066, AM4 or SR2 are the only viable upgrade for me.

By the way I'm going Naples. The wife is getting the Piledriver to replace a 2.4GHz 533 Northwood.

 

[the54thvoid]

I just looked at your specs, I would have thought you would have been the first to jump on the Ryzen bandwagon to rid yourself of Faildozer.

Oh well, whatever. I'll flag down a moderator to have the thread locked up and deleted.

"Jump on the Ryzen bandwagon to rid yourself of Faildozer"

You sir have a good awful approach to thread creation and sustaining.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Long live socket 1366...................

i have nothing further to add.

 

[trparky]

The moderators have been notified, hopefully this stupid thread of mine will be gone in a few minutes. I'll go back to lurking now.

 

[eidairaman1]

"Jump on the Ryzen bandwagon to rid yourself of Faildozer"

You sir have a good awful approach to thread creation and sustaining.

He got pissy because I called him out on it, he hasn't a clue that I have a Piledriver and not a bulldozer.

I'm also smart enough to not get arrows in my back by being a pioneer of technology.

Long live socket 1366...................

i have nothing further to add.

Better than his 3570 for sure.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Ryzen 1700x versus Xeon X5670 with same GPU

 

[trparky]

Piledriver is simply Faildozer with a couple of tweaks, that's all Piledriver is. It's still Faildozer on the hood. Just like how Kaby Lake is damn near the same chip that is Ivy Bridge but with some added tweaks.

 

[eidairaman1]

Piledriver is simply Faildozer with a couple of tweaks, that's all Piledriver is. It's still Faildozer on the hood. Just like how Kaby Lake is damn near the same chip that is Ivy Bridge but with some added tweaks.

Actually a Bulldozer is an Athlon 64 with additional cores, by performance studies. Piledriver Fixed all that was wrong, however the damage of bulldozer had already been done which affected AMD's rep at the time. But believe what you want. I already shared my thoughts on my upgrades.

By the way I was on an AthlonXP before the Piledriver almost 3 years ago now.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I just looked at your specs, I would have thought you would have been the first to jump on the Ryzen bandwagon to rid yourself of Faildozer.

This is a silly comment! While you go back to lurking about (as you said you were going to do), I recommend you take the time learn a bit about forum contributors ("here and at other sites like this place"). Just because someone has this or that listed in their system specs, that IN NO WAY is any indication of their technical knowledge, or their level or areas of expertise. Nor does it suggest that is their only computer.

If I were to look at your system specs and judge you by those specs, I would clearly think you have no clue about hardware since that cooler on that "stock"clocked processor is simply a waste and suggests you installed that just to brag to others with no clue that you have water cooling.

If the mods choose to do anything (and I would hope they don't as long as posters stay civil) it would be to simply lock the thread. I see no reason to delete it.

 

[trparky]

We have not seen any major architectural changes in more than five years, Ryzen is the first we've seen in five years. Intel only came up with the Core 2 Duo line because AMD was handing their ass to them. Every single chip that has come out since the Core 2 Duo can trace its roots back to the Core 2 Duo with additional tweaks.

Actually a Bulldozer is an Athlon 64 with additional cores, by performance studies. Piledriver Fixed all that was wrong, however the damage of bulldozer had already been done which affected AMD's rep at the time. But believe what you want. I already shared my thoughts on my upgrades.

Not according to this page... List of AMD microprocessors -> Bulldozer Family (Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator) | Wikipedia

 

[r9]

Everybody uses different games and apps.
Its like everybody speaking different language.
Benchmarks are like unique language that everybody can understand.
Let say I use photoshop and you use gimps for example.
My cpu is faster at photoshop your is faster in gimps, so which one is faster.
Its unrealistic expectation for benchmark to match the results of all applications.
But they serve their purpose.

 

[alucasa]

Instead of drooling over gazillions of benchmarks out there, focus on one benchmark that matters to you.

For me, the only benchmark that matters is Cinebench because it translates well on how useful a CPU is going to be for me.

7Zip benchmark? Are you going to be zipping stuff all day long?

 

[eidairaman1]

We have not seen any major architectural changes in more than five years, Ryzen is the first we've seen in five years. Intel only came up with the Core 2 Duo line because AMD was handing their ass to them. Every single chip that has come out since the Core 2 Duo can trace its roots back to the Core 2 Duo with additional tweaks.


Not according to this page... List of AMD microprocessors -> Bulldozer Family (Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator) | Wikipedia

I compared the performance numbers between a 754 3200 to an 8150, their Single thread is similar.

 

[trparky]

But Piledriver is still in the same family as Bulldozer and inherits many of the same mistakes that Bulldozer had. It still had (mostly) the same branch predictor, the same CPU cache system, etc. It's basically Bulldozer with some added tweaks just like how Kaby Lake is basically Skylake, which is basically Broadwell/Haswell, which is basically Ivy/Sandy Bridge, which is basically Nehalem, which can all go back to the Core 2 Duo.

Ryzen is the first "clean slate" design AMD has done in years. Hell, it's the first "clean slate" design we've seen in more than five years in the industry as a whole.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Are you going to be zipping stuff all day long?

UNzipping

I have an entirely different machine for zipping. Yes, it's all very very complicated

 

[P4-630]

7Zip benchmark? Are you going to be zipping stuff all day long?

Yeah lol, great idea to waste some time!!!

 

[eidairaman1]

UNzipping

I have an entirely different machine for zipping. Yes, it's all very very complicated

Don't catch your dingy in your zipper lol

 

[trparky]

This is a silly comment! While you go back to lurking about (as you said you were going to do), I recommend you take the time learn a bit about forum contributors ("here and at other sites like this place"). Just because someone has this or that listed in their system specs, that IN NO WAY is any indication of their technical knowledge, or their level or areas of expertise. Nor does it suggest that is their only computer.

If I were to look at your system specs and judge you by those specs, I would clearly think you have no clue about hardware since that cooler on that "stock"clocked processor is simply a waste and suggests you installed that just to brag to others with no clue that you have water cooling.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a lot at all about this stuff, it's been years since I've been in the hardware game. My system is five years old, that's the last time I really looked at anything as far as technology. Since then I've been coasting along all while trying to make what I have last as long as possible. Hell, that's why I asked how long a power supply is expected to last. I try to reuse as many components in each build as I can to reduce the upgrade cost.

I asked myself last year if it was worth upgrading, I said no. I asked myself the year before that, I said no. And here I am asking myself the same question... Is it worth upgrading? I clearly don't have the expertise to know the answer to that question.

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of money to my name so I have to justify every dollar I put into my computer. Will this upgrade be worth it? Will it stand the test of time? That's the questions I ask myself every time the "upgrade bug" bites me. Is it worth it? I don't know.

So here I am... asking the question (albeit in a round-about way). Is it worth it to upgrade to a Ryzen 1600 from my current five year old Core i5 3570k system or should I just pull out the figurative duct tape and make this system last another year?

 

[alucasa]

Well then, time to do your own research.

I spent days..., actually more than a week, into researching before pulling trigger on my rig. I generally do not like the idea of someone telling me what to do when it comes to my money, which is probably why I never (well, almost never) create threads asking for advice.

So, I researched and made an informed decision based on my needs instead of hype.

 

[64K]

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a lot at all about this stuff, it's been years since I've been in the hardware game. My system is five years old, that's the last time I really looked at anything as far as technology. Since then I've been coasting along all while trying to make what I have last as long as possible. Hell, that's why I asked how long a power supply is expected to last. I try to reuse as many components in each build as I can to reduce the upgrade cost.

I asked myself last year if it was worth upgrading, I said no. I asked myself the year before that, I said no. And here I am asking myself the same question... Is it worth upgrading? I clearly don't have the expertise to know the answer to that question.

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of money to my name so I have to justify every dollar I put into my computer. Will this upgrade be worth it? Will it stand the test of time? That's the questions I ask myself every time the "upgrade bug" bites me. Is it worth it? I don't know.

So here I am... asking the question (albeit in a round-about way). Is it worth it to upgrade to a Ryzen 1600 from my current five year old Core i5 3570k system or should I just pull out the figurative duct tape and make this system last another year?

Is your rig limiting you in any way from what you would like to do? Not everyone plays the most demanding games or has to have the highest settings to be comfortable. If your rig isn't holding you back from where you want to be then no need to upgrade especially if money is tight.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Is it worth upgrading? I clearly don't have the expertise to know the answer to that question.

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of money to my name so I have to justify every dollar I put into my computer. Will this upgrade be worth it? Will it stand the test of time? That's the questions I ask myself every time the "upgrade bug" bites me. Is it worth it?

But these are all rhetorical questions.

As r9 astutely noted, everybody uses different games and apps. You claim to be a hard core gamer but failed to specify which games. Some games will benefit from hardware upgrades, others won't. If you really want to know if it is worth it, only you can really decide how much of a priority you put on gaming in your life. And you have to base that on how well your current hardware supports your needs, your budget, other obligations (personal, family, work, school, home, etc.) and specifically, the tasks you need and want to perform with your computer.

Is your rig limiting you in any way from what you would like to do? Not everyone plays the most demanding games or has to have the highest settings to be comfortable. If your rig isn't holding you back from where you want to be then no need to upgrade especially if money is tight.

This! ^^^^