Do I have CPU bottleneck? 7900XTX + 7600X in game God Of War

[khjhpopasa]

Do I have CPU bottleneck? 7900XTX OC + 7600X in game God Of War?
I play in 2K resolution all game ultra setting I am playing and see my gpu in some cases 95% and cpu 55% I have 6 cores CPU and he really new
but it can be CPU bottleneck here? because my GPU ins't 100% and game limit to 4 CPU or something like that?
How can I prof it?

edit: The game run ultra 2K 150-170FPS
the situation was on 150HZ and 95% usage GPU

another note: if I change graphic settings to lower i still get same FPS and same CPU usage

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Anything 95-100% to me is fully utilized. Grabbing somthing like a 7700X or 7800X3D for an extra 2-3% doesn't make a lot of sense.

What model of monitor do you have?

 

[dirtyferret]

can be CPU bottleneck here?

maybe in terms of benchmarking but if we are talking about real world performance than no

edit: The game run ultra 2K 150-170FPS
the situation was on 150HZ and 95% usage GPU

so you are already running the game past what your monitor can display

7800X3D for an extra 2-3% doesn't make a lot of sense.

this 100%

If your enjoyment of the game is based on a FPS counter than you are running a benchmark not playing a game. Turn off the FPS counter, do you like the performance your system has in the game? If you do, enjoy the game. If you don't, you can than look into improving it but in your case as I said before, you are already playing at or past your monitors refresh rate.

 

[khjhpopasa]

Anything 95-100% to me is fully utilized. Grabbing somthing like a 7700X or 7800X3D for an extra 2-3% doesn't make a lot of sense.

What model of monitor do you have?

maybe in terms of benchmarking but if we are talking about real world performance than no

so you are already running the game past what your monitor can display


this 100%

If your enjoyment of the game is based on a FPS counter than you are running a benchmark not playing a game. Turn off the FPS counter, do you like the performance your system has in the game? If you do, enjoy the game. If you don't, you can than look into improving it but in your case as I said before, you are already playing at or past your monitors refresh rate.

My screen run 2K 170HZ freesync premium

 

[Calenhad]

Nice load spread across all cpu cores. Gpu basically running flat out. Yeah, no bottleneck here. (Technically speaking the gpu is the bottleneck based on that screenshot)

 

[AnotherReader]

In @W1zzard 's review of the 7950X3D, "God of War" didn't seem to have much difference between the 7700X and the 13900k (3% in average fps). Minimum fps were also about 4% better on the 13900k and 11% better on the 7950X3D. Given that this is a DX11 title, the 7600X should be very similar to the 7700X. I don't know the test scene, but faster GPUs didn't lead to a much higher frame rate at 1080p. The game has strange scaling though; it doesn't seem to be CPU limited with the 7900XTX at 1080p, but the performance drop at 1440p is rather small at less than 20%.

 

[khjhpopasa]

Nice load spread across all cpu cores. Gpu basically running flat out. Yeah, no bottleneck here. (Technically speaking the gpu is the bottleneck based on that screenshot)

but GPU only 95% and not use 100%

I add another pictures maybe it help you.

I change anything to low and see CPU and GPU usage still cpu on 55% so why my gpu isn't give me more FPS on low usage

 

[oxrufiioxo]

but GPU only 95% and not use 100%

I add another pictures maybe it help you.

I change anything to low and see CPU and GPU usage still cpu on 55% so why my gpu isn't give me more FPS on low usage
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Could be a bug. What are your full system specs. Are you sure you don't have some sort of framerate cap? I just tested it myself with a 5950X and a 4090 and it isn't hard to get 180-220fps at 1440p.

 

[khjhpopasa]

Could be a bug. What are your full system specs. Are you sure you don't have some sort of framerate cap? I just tested it myself with a 5950X and a 4090 and it isn't hard to get 180-220fps at 1440p.

My-Pc: R5 7600X, RX 7900XTX, B650 Aorus Elite AX, DDR5 6400MHz 16x2Gb cl32, SSD KC3000 2TB Nvme, Corsair RM 1000e

 

[P4-630]

IMO you should have bought a CPU with more cores with your high-end GPU....
Your CPU could be a bottleneck with it's 6-cores.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

My-Pc: R5 7600X, RX 7900XTX, B650 Aorus Elite AX, DDR5 6400MHz 16x2Gb cl32, SSD KC3000 2TB Nvme, Corsair RM 1000e

Even if it boots and doesn't give you obvious issues that 6400 mem might be causing you issues. make sure your infinity fabric is running at 2000.

download this and post a screenshot.

ZenTimings

ZenTimings is a simple and lightweight app for monitoring memory timings on Ryzen platform.

zentimings.protonrom.com

 

[damric]

If you seriously just want to waste power and peg GPU usage to 99-100% just use virtual super resolution.

A better idea would be to tune your GPU for power saving by dialing back clocks a bit with an undervolt. I bet you can save more than 30% power by reducing clocks by just 5-10%.

 

[AnotherReader]

You should be seeing more performance with lower settings. From that link, you can see that frame rates increased by 50% when the preset was changed from Ultra to Low.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You should be seeing more performance with lower settings. From that link, you can see that frame rates increased by 50% when the preset was changed from Ultra to Low.

Those graphs are about as useful as a car with no wheels. Even a potato cpu can easily hit 100fps in god of war the limits are much closer to 200fps on high end hardware which the OP has. My guess is some other system bottleneck likely terrible ram timings due to using DDR5 6400 most Zen4 chips struggle past 6000 with decent timings.

At the same time OP is getting excellent performance with maxed out settings 140fps+ so the actual need to do anything is debatable assuming no system hangs, blue screens etc.

 

[vacsati]

Ye, probably cpu bottleneck, if even at lower setings you got the same fps.
Maybe just a bug, but as i know this is not a new game, so probably every issue was fixed already.
Another case, thatthis game prefers Intel cpus+Intel does have a higher ipc, so maby e it could help if yopu change your rig to a 13700k.

+1 tip, maybe your processor throttling, because your cooler not enough, so thats why u have bottleneck.
+1 tip, maybe the problem is the vga driver, AMD was never good with drivers, maybe they fcked up stg like they always do. Imo, their cpus are fine, but i would definitely avoid their GPUs.

Btw 140+fps is still good, so no need to worry.

 

[khjhpopasa]

IMO you should have bought a CPU with more cores with your high-end GPU....
Your CPU could be a bottleneck with it's 6-cores.

If you seriously just want to waste power and peg GPU usage to 99-100% just use virtual super resolution.

A better idea would be to tune your GPU for power saving by dialing back clocks a bit with an undervolt. I bet you can save more than 30% power by reducing clocks by just 5-10%.

Even if it boots and doesn't give you obvious issues that 6400 mem might be causing you issues. make sure your infinity fabric is running at 2000.

download this and post a screenshot.

ZenTimings

ZenTimings is a simple and lightweight app for monitoring memory timings on Ryzen platform.

zentimings.protonrom.com

You should be seeing more performance with lower settings. From that link, you can see that frame rates increased by 50% when the preset was changed from Ultra to Low.

Even if it boots and doesn't give you obvious issues that 6400 mem might be causing you issues. make sure your infinity fabric is running at 2000.

download this and post a screenshot.

ZenTimings

ZenTimings is a simple and lightweight app for monitoring memory timings on Ryzen platform.

zentimings.protonrom.com

If i move with low setting I can get 260FPS but my gpi is 90% usage and cpu go to 60% but still GPU isnt 100% and iff more power from cpu why he dont get it?

from another view i get more then 55% cpu and 100% gpu it now for all cases. (ultra example)

that view You can see
100% GPU and 63CPU 250FPS very high setting

all examples I send it native resolution 2K

Ye, probably cpu bottleneck, if even at lower setings you got the same fps.
Maybe just a bug, but as i know this is not a new game, so probably every issue was fixed already.
Another case, thatthis game prefers Intel cpus+Intel does have a higher ipc, so maby e it could help if yopu change your rig to a 13700k.

+1 tip, maybe your processor throttling, because your cooler not enough, so thats why u have bottleneck.

see message above

 

[vacsati]

If i move with low setting I can get 260FPS but my gpi is 90% usage and cpu go to 60% but still GPU isnt 100% and iff more power from cpu why he dont get it?

from another view i get more then 55% cpu and 100% gpu it now for all cases. (ultra example)

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that view You can see
100% GPU and 63CPU 250FPS very high setting

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all examples I send it native resolution 2K


see message above

Then i see no problem, if u got way more fps with lower settings, than it isnt cpu bottleneck.
Maybe just a glitch or the game cannot useevery part of the gpu, who knows.

 

[dirtyferret]

from another view i get more then 55% cpu and 100% gpu it now for all cases. (ultra example)

I'm slightly lost. In your last two pics you have gpu usage at 100% whcih you said you don't get. Is it in certain areas that you don't get 100% but other areas you do?

 

[khjhpopasa]

Then i see no problem, if u got way more fps with lower settings, than it isnt cpu bottleneck.
Maybe just a glitch or the game cannot useevery part of the gpu, who knows.

I'm slightly lost. In your last two pics you have gpu usage at 100% whcih you said you don't get. Is it in certain areas that you don't get 100% but other areas you do?

Ok I explate low usage CPU and GPU in specific places.
have place with 97% GPU usage normal graphic and I get at 2K 300FPS and have and ultra 170FPS at 100% usage but have places like first pictures that I get cpu more limited like 55% instead 67%
and GPU get lower usage cosue CPU limited but it happned in specific place in game.

So do you think it but on the game?
The game with crack anyway It can be reason? or old version or bottleneck or pc problem or what?

 

[dirtyferret]

have place with 97% GPU usage normal graphic and I get at 2K 300FPS

most likely because at "normal" the game is no longer pushing your GPU to the limit and there may be a slight CPU bottleneck, still not a major deal

ultra 170FPS at 100%

bottleneck is now switched to GPU like it should be

but have places like first pictures that I get cpu more limited like 55% instead 67%

right, at 247 FPS your CPU was working harder (63%) to keep up the GPU which is cruising, at 166 FPS the GPU is taxed and the CPU can ease up (57%). Also CPU usage always fluctuates while gaming. So a single reading in a screen shot does not tell you much.

So do you think it but on the game?

I think it's normal

or bottleneck

all games create a bottleneck, most are GPU based

pc problem or what?

there is no problem

also you spent around $1,700+ on this system and it's working right. Don't let a $50 game work you up.

 

[AnotherReader]

Those graphs are about as useful as a car with no wheels. Even a potato cpu can easily hit 100fps in god of war the limits are much closer to 200fps on high end hardware which the OP has. My guess is some other system bottleneck likely terrible ram timings due to using DDR5 6400 most Zen4 chips struggle past 6000 with decent timings.

Benchmarks with configurations as high end as the OP's are hard to find, because at the game's release, the fastest GPU was the 3090. The 3090 Ti was almost three months from release. Besides, a lot of reviewers test the presets at 4k; they should also test them at 1080p, but few do. Computerbase did test at 1080 and found a big difference between original (one step above low) and Ultra. In TPU's most recent review of a 7900XTX, the frame rates were fairly high at 1080p: 190 for the 7900XTX and 208 for the 4090.

 

[Toothless]

Mate just play the game. You have a freesync panel, why are you getting worked up over 10fps and usages? You're not going to see the difference and if you're that arsed over performance, keep your settings down.

 

[khjhpopasa]

most likely because at "normal" the game is no longer pushing your GPU to the limit and there may be a slight CPU bottleneck, still not a major deal


bottleneck is now switched to GPU like it should be


right, at 247 FPS your CPU was working harder (63%) to keep up the GPU which is cruising, at 166 FPS the GPU is taxed and the CPU can ease up (57%). Also CPU usage always fluctuates while gaming. So a single reading in a screen shot does not tell you much.


I think it's normal


all games create a bottleneck, most are GPU based


there is no problem

also you spent around $1,700+ on this system and it's working right. Don't let a $50 game work you up.

In my counter is cost 3100$+
I don't spend money on games only if I want to play multiplayer but the most I play stories.
So yes i pay for some games.

The problem make in some places in game some views it mean.
But the weird thing is that my CPU doesn't reach 100% usage, so it's strange to call it a bottleneck for me.

 

[P4-630]

Don't let a $50 game work you up.

He didn't pay for the game....

The game with crack anyway It can be reason?

GL.

 

[khjhpopasa]

Mate just play the game. You have a freesync panel, why are you getting worked up over 10fps and usages? You're not going to see the difference and if you're that arsed over performance, keep your settings down.

Yes, I understand. I'm just trying to understand the issue better. In some cases (as can be seen in the picture above), it appears as though there is a bottleneck.

He didn't pay for the game....


GL.

It matter?
I just don't have new version of this game

Ye, probably cpu bottleneck, if even at lower setings you got the same fps.
Maybe just a bug, but as i know this is not a new game, so probably every issue was fixed already.
Another case, thatthis game prefers Intel cpus+Intel does have a higher ipc, so maby e it could help if yopu change your rig to a 13700k.

+1 tip, maybe your processor throttling, because your cooler not enough, so thats why u have bottleneck.
+1 tip, maybe the problem is the vga driver, AMD was never good with drivers, maybe they fcked up stg like they always do. Imo, their cpus are fine, but i would definitely avoid their GPUs.

Btw 140+fps is still good, so no need to worry.

I did undervolting to my CPU all cores 35% negative so it not heat, You can see temperature.
The problem occurs in some places, but I don't understand why. My CPU doesn't reach 100% usage, so I'm not sure why the GPU isn't being pushed to 100%