Engineering sample ?

[BATOFF3]

Only noticed this today.... but keep in mind Ive had no issues with this piece of silicon.
When I built this rig I did take note that I was getting all core boost to 4400mhz.... high voltages of course at around 1.45 -1.5
Yet my corsair H80v2 aio kept the max temps around 60-65c in a 23c- 26c ambient room when benching in cpu-z or cinebench.
Ive since updated motherboard bios, agesa and chipset to latest and of course have the lowered boost clocks, ie: if you call 4350mhz a decrease
enough to be annoying. Thats what it boosts to after bios, agesa and chipset updates. To be be honest, it doesnt bother me. Im enjoying this system too much to give a shit over 50mhz loss.
Anyhow this screen shot of hwinfo got my attention. The "CPU Type"
Note that Im happy with this chip. Just would like some thoughts.
Thanks to any comments.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Did you pay full retail price for that "engineering sample" CPU? If you did, you got ripped off. Beyond that, as long as it is stable, and most importantly, you are happy, then I would not worry about it either. If you got it at a substantial discount, then again, as long as it's stable and you are happy, then no problems.

And yeah, 50MHz is not something I would worry about either - especially since you saw the full 4400MHz before you updated the board. And with a little luck, full speeds might be restored with a future BIOS update.

 

[Solaris17]

Does CPU-z say it’s an ES?

 

[BATOFF3]

I did pay retail price, yes. Being an ES sample, what would differ it from production chips ?
As Ive said Ive had no issues whatsoever. when I built this rig with a update bios on the motherboard which the store did for Me at no charge, it booted first go and has not skipped a beat since.
Only issue I had with the system was a windows reinstall due to the new NVME drive, which was sorted quickly with the help from TPU members.
Hey If I got ripped off then, meh.... it works. it boosted to its advertised speed then got nerfed.
Im glad I dont have the issues alot are having at the moment with this generation. No regrets here .

CPU-z does not indicate ES

 

[phanbuey]

there's a known hardwareinfo bug that reads all ryzen 3000 as ES. It's not an ES most likely.

 

[BATOFF3]

Ah ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[SomeOne99h]

phanbuey:

there's a known hardwareinfo bug that reads all ryzen 3000 as ES. It's not an ES most likely.

Try the new HWiNFO beta:

• Fixed reporting of ES/Production stage for some Zen2 CPUs.
• Fixed measuring of BCLK for some Intel CPUs under Windows 7.
• Added reporting of CPU High Temperature Clock Limit for AMD Zen2 family.
• Added reporting of CPU Automatic Overclocking Offset for AMD Matisse family.
• Added a new (more reliable) method for measuring BCLK on AMD Matisse systems.
• Added monitoring of Memory Controller Clock (UCLK) for AMD Zen family.
• Added preliminary support of Intel Elkhart Lake.
• Fixed reporting of NVMe capacity when LBA data size > 512B.
• Added reporting of CPU Thermal Trip Limit and HTC Temperature Limit for AMD Zen.
• Updated reporting of CPU VDD and SoC SVI2 current/power on some MSI mainboards.
• Added monitoring of per-CCD Tdie temperatures for AMD Zen2.
• Improved support of several legacy (ISA, VLB) (S)VGA adapters.
• Fixed reporting of GPU fan RPM on AMD Navi.
• Download pre-release: v6.11, Build 3910

Their other link to download: https://www.fosshub.com/HWiNFO.html

 

[Bill_Bright]

I did pay retail price, yes. Being an ES sample, what would differ it from production chips ?

Maybe nothing, maybe a lot. Without any documentation for that specific processor, there's no way of knowing how that specific CPU differs from the normal production processors.

Engineering samples are generally considered "beta" versions and are typically used for in-house testing. They are also used for demonstrations and later versions are regularly sent to review sites for evaluations. They are NOT supposed to get into normal consumer's hands. Somebody violated a NDA (non-disclosure agreement), or perhaps that specific CPU was stolen!

I note there have been arrests for selling such ES CPUs.

Bottom line here is, unless you knew you were buying a ES processor, you got scammed - and big time since you paid full price for it. And sadly, "caveat emptor" - let the buyer beware! Assuming you did not know possessing ES processors without authorization from Intel was improper, you likely are not in any legal troubles. But if Intel wanted too, they could reclaim it, or the authorities could confiscated it - with no obligation to compensate you for it.

I am NOT trying to scare you. Since the 8700K final production version has been out for a couple years, and 9th Gen Intels are now out, I am sure Intel could care less now (other than, maybe, wanting to know how it got away from them). But everyone needs to be aware, without specific authorization from the maker, possessing such ES processors is not legal. If you see one on eBay or through a private seller, turn and walk away.

 

[Zach_01]

Same here... just saw it after this post!

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Maybe nothing, maybe a lot. Without any documentation for that specific processor, there's no way of knowing how that specific CPU differs from the normal production processors.

Engineering samples are generally considered "beta" versions and are typically used for in-house testing. They are also used for demonstrations and later versions are regularly sent to review sites for evaluations. They are NOT supposed to get into normal consumer's hands. Somebody violated a NDA (non-disclosure agreement), or perhaps that specific CPU was stolen!

I note there have been arrests for selling such ES CPUs.

Bottom line here is, unless you knew you were buying a ES processor, you got scammed - and big time since you paid full price for it. And sadly, "caveat emptor" - let the buyer beware! Assuming you did not know possessing ES processors without authorization from Intel was improper, you likely are not in any legal troubles. But if Intel wanted too, they could reclaim it, or the authorities could confiscated it - with no obligation to compensate you for it.

I am NOT trying to scare you. Since the 8700K final production version has been out for a couple years, and 9th Gen Intels are now out, I am sure Intel could care less now (other than, maybe, wanting to know how it got away from them). But everyone needs to be aware, without specific authorization from the maker, possessing such ES processors is not legal. If you see one on eBay or through a private seller, turn and walk away.

Pssssst, he has a AMD cpu

 

[Vario]

Maybe nothing, maybe a lot. Without any documentation for that specific processor, there's no way of knowing how that specific CPU differs from the normal production processors.

Engineering samples are generally considered "beta" versions and are typically used for in-house testing. They are also used for demonstrations and later versions are regularly sent to review sites for evaluations. They are NOT supposed to get into normal consumer's hands. Somebody violated a NDA (non-disclosure agreement), or perhaps that specific CPU was stolen!

I note there have been arrests for selling such ES CPUs.

Bottom line here is, unless you knew you were buying a ES processor, you got scammed - and big time since you paid full price for it. And sadly, "caveat emptor" - let the buyer beware! Assuming you did not know possessing ES processors without authorization from Intel was improper, you likely are not in any legal troubles. But if Intel wanted too, they could reclaim it, or the authorities could confiscated it - with no obligation to compensate you for it.

I am NOT trying to scare you. Since the 8700K final production version has been out for a couple years, and 9th Gen Intels are now out, I am sure Intel could care less now (other than, maybe, wanting to know how it got away from them). But everyone needs to be aware, without specific authorization from the maker, possessing such ES processors is not legal. If you see one on eBay or through a private seller, turn and walk away.

Its likely its a software reporting bug not an ES. Furthermore, it's a Ryzen, so AMD, not Intel.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Same here... just saw it after this post!

That's odd. I might send a note to mm@hwinfo.com and see what they say about that.

Pssssst, he has a AMD cpu

Doh! Sorry about that. I mixed up a couple threads I'm "working".

Same issues apply, however, regardless the maker. Those CPUs are not supposed to get into normal consumer's hands.

Its likely its a software reporting bug not an ES.

Yeah, with Zack_01 seeing the same thing, I think you are right.

 

[BATOFF3]

Retailer I bought it from is well known here and very good with service so I know I wasnt scammed etc.
I Had a read on the updated changes for hwinfo and there is indeed a bug fix for Ryzens being seen as ES.
Its no big deal to Me, I was just curious as such back in the days of P4's with ES floating around.
Another thing I noticed... anyone here have the product box that says "made in Vietnam". ?
Just a general question.

 

[Vario]

A lot of CPUs are made in Vietnam.

 

[BATOFF3]

Thanks Vario
This is my first ever AMD setup so Im trying to learn as I enjoy this system.