Faster ddr5 worth it?

[iameatingjam]

I was just hanging around newegg mulling purchasing that 14700k.... Then I noticed that some higher end ddr5 prices are actually within spitting distance of my 5600 cl36 kit when I bought it. I spent a lot of time tuning it to run at 6400 cl30 and I'm quite happy with it now and am hesitant to mess with things any further... However, a 32GB 7200 kit is now only $180 CAD ( thats $130 US)

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I checked and believe it or not its actually on my mobos qvl. Infact even the 7600 kits are on there. Was definitely not expecting that. Wouldn't the 7200 and 7600 kits both be hynix A? If so, would it matter which one I purchased when it came to overclocking? ( mostly thinking about timings). Or is there some other factor? Other than just the lottery that is.

The 7600 kit is both $40 more plus $20 shipping when shipping is free on the 7200 kit.

Anyway I'm getting conflicting information about how beneficial this would be to gaming/general computing performance.

And there's one other thing to consider... on my current kit, one of the rgb lights keep going out. It always ends up turning back on, sometimes randomly, sometimes with a restart, but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes out permanently at some point, and if that happened it would be a lot harder to sell. As it is now, I could probably sell it for not much less than that new kit.... But again, maybe I shouldn't mess with things that aren't broke?

Thoughts?

Oh I just remembered something... Isn't it bad to increase trefi above 6400mts or something like that?

 

[ir_cow]

Gonna kinda depend on the game, graphical settings and video card. If your playing at 4k max settings, you are GPU bound and the difference is about zero. Playing at 1080 and a twitch shooter. Maybe the extra 20fps will make a difference. Realistically though, unless you have the top video card of today, it isn't going to be drastic.

 

[Vya Domus]

I mean you could sell your current kit, I guess it would be worth it then. Realistically you're not gonna notice any real difference even if it will objectively benchmark higher in CPU bound games.

 

[ir_cow]

There is the "because I can" aspect as well. Do what makes you feel happy.

 

[sneekypeet]

I'd say look to a patriot kit at 48gb. Pricing is on par with many speedy 32gb kits, plus you get the newer m-die with plenty of flexibility to tinker with. The G.skill z rgb I had were pretty poop tbh.

 

[iameatingjam]

I'd say look to a patriot kit at 48gb. Pricing is on par with many speedy 32gb kits, plus you get the newer m-die with plenty of flexibility to tinker with. The G.skill z rgb I had were pretty poop tbh.

O really? I was thinking a bit more quantity would be nice actually but I was under the impression that would come with a speed penalty. I know 4 sticks obviously causes problems but I thought I heard even higher capacity 2 stick kits can't be quite as a tight. Though I could be mistaken.

 

[ir_cow]

Dual-rank DIMMs take a bit more work to get them down in timings.

3GB ICs have loser timings overall and can't match 2GB, but on a real-world scale, it's beyond minor.

Really depends on what your trying to do.

 

[sneekypeet]

Dual-rank DIMMs take a bit more work to get them down in timings.

3GB ICs have loser timings overall and can't match 2GB, but on a real-world scale, it's beyond minor.

Really depends on what your trying to do.

To a point I would agree, but Patriot runs tighter timings than most others I've seen on the 48gb front.

 

[ir_cow]

@sneekypeet I have the 2x24GB Patriot Elite 5. Haven't had much time to play with them but seems pretty nice.

 

[sneekypeet]

@sneekypeet I have the 2x24GB Patriot Elite 5. Haven't had much time to play with them but seems pretty nice.

Take the time. They do set 2 timings tight for perf, but I'm guessing you will find the ones.

 

[iameatingjam]

@ir_cow
@Dr. Dro

Didn't one of you two tell me that high frequencies + high trefi is bad? Trefi was the single biggest gain I got on my current kit. Would I give that up if I went for a 7200 or 7600 kit? Or is it just about temperature? And what is the best way to take temperature anyway? I've just been using hwmonitor and even with my 1.5V, no matter what I throw at it, it never goes above like 45c at the very very most. Can I trust this number?

What about the rgb light going out? Is that possibly an indication that voltage is too high? I tried reseating the stick so hopefully that fixes the problem. It actually went out right when I was in the middle of writings this post and I had to stop to troubleshoot it again lol.

I'd say look to a patriot kit at 48gb. Pricing is on par with many speedy 32gb kits, plus you get the newer m-die with plenty of flexibility to tinker with. The G.skill z rgb I had were pretty poop tbh.

Yeah I'm not getting much hits for patriot 48gb, at least not on my limited canadian sites.. I did however find a 32gb 7200 patriot kit that was $10 cheaper than the other one, but it required more voltage to get there and there was no rgb. And since my aio has no rgb, I feel like I need at least the ram spicing things up a bit.

 

[ir_cow]

Didn't one of you two tell me that high frequencies + high trefi is bad? Trefi was the single biggest gain I got on my current kit. Would I give that up if I went for a 7200 or 7600 kit? Or is it just about temperature? And what is the best way to take temperature anyway? I've just been using hwmonitor and even with my 1.5V, no matter what I throw at it, it never goes above like 45c at the very very most. Can I trust this number?

@iameatingjam anything over tREFI 65k is pointless and requires cold memory. Sure you can get away with it for short runs, but 24/7? eh. I'm sure someone here will say just the opposite... I do 55K because its a bit easier to achieve for reviewing purposes. Not enough time to validate tons of settings.

The HWmointor is fine. Only one sensor on the PCB and its next to the SPD chip. Igor's Lab - Link has a good article on it. Bare PCB and the ICs are 10c higher. If you aren't seeing higher than 45c with Memtest5 looping, you will be able to tune it up pretty good in that regards.

What about the rgb light going out? Is that possibly an indication that voltage is too high? I tried reseating the stick so hopefully that fixes the problem. It actually went out right when I was in the middle of writings this post and I had to stop to troubleshoot it again lol.

No idea. der8auer did a video on DDR5 power. But he wasn't messing with a RGB one.

I've had whole DIMMs not light up after resetting the motherboard a bunch during a overclock (it still worked though). Simple fix for me was to turn off the power completely (PSU off) before powering on again. If your ram has a lifetime warranty and some LEDs are dead, send it off for a replacement.

We're modding a DDR5 Module and measure the Power Consumption

Yeah I'm not getting much hits for patriot 48gb, at least not on my limited canadian sites.. I did however find a 32gb 7200 patriot kit that was $10 cheaper than the other one, but it required more voltage to get there and there was no rgb. And since my aio has no rgb, I feel like I need at least the ram spicing things up a bit.

Patriot Eilte 5 is new, not many reviews for it yet. I have it on my list of reviews. I've been slow, sorry Patriot! What I like about Patriot is the 3 XMP profiles (3 for Viper, 2 for Eilte 5). Makes troubleshooting way easier. Having stability issues? drop it down one notch. Viper series is good as well. I personal think the RGB on them is "meh" as noted in the reviews, but that is just my opinion and doesn't take away from the good stuff.

 

[iameatingjam]

@iameatingjam anything over tREFI 65k is pointless and requires cold memory. Sure you can get away with it for short runs, but 24/7? eh. I'm sure someone here will say just the opposite... I do 55K because its a bit easier to achieve for reviewing purposes. Not enough time to validate tons of settings.

Perfect thats exactly what I have it at, 60k

 

[ir_cow]

@iameatingjam just did a quick run with Patriot Eilte 5 6000 2x24GB. Reached DDR5-8000 @ 1.45 with ease and passes basic stability test. Just typed in the Viper Extreme kit timings and off I went. No OC is guaranteed, so I always suggest buying the bin you want and tweak it from there.

HWBot DDR5-8000 Submission

 

[Hyderz]

i'd say go for it, if it doesnt destroy your wallet in the process
enjoy your hobby mate

 

[sneekypeet]

@iameatingjam letme talk to the rep and see where/if they have stock in Canada. I missed that bit of the conversation.

 

[unwind-protect]

It always depends on your applications. Most applications don't react much to memory speed.

One way to figure out whether you application mix is memory sensitive is taking your existing system and underclocking your RAM. If you notice a difference with that you likely will notice a difference from faster RAM, too.

 

[AusWolf]

I'm not sure about 7200, and I'm not sure about Intel, but switching between 4800 and 6000 MHz on my 7800X3D system provides no perceptible difference.

Of course, I could detect it in a benchmark, but who cares?

 

[SchumannFrequency]

It is worth going for 7000 MHz and above.
It's best to go for 200 MHz lower than what the motherboard supports maximum.
8000 MHz is still unstable on some motherboards even though they say it is supported.
I'd stay away from G.Skill due to lack of PMIC thermalpads, go with TeamGroup instead.