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Few questions about current AMD CPU

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Hi
after checking AMD website here:

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I am confused and I want to ask the AMD 9000 series is the new current generation ?

I have now 5900x is it worth it to upgrade to 9800X3D now or there is a new generation coming soon ? I will have to change Motherboard, CPU, RAM and Cooler

What graphics core count "2" mean ? can these CPU run games without GPU with just 2 cores ?
 
Hi
after checking AMD website here:

View attachment 386169

I am confused and I want to ask the AMD 9000 series is the new current generation ?

I have now 5900x is it worth it to upgrade to 9800X3D now or there is a new generation coming soon ? I will have to change Motherboard, CPU, RAM and Cooler

What graphics core count "2" mean ? can these CPU run games without GPU with just 2 cores ?

Yes, it's worth the upgrade, and socket AM5 will receive another generation still. As for your question pertaining to graphics, all Ryzen 7000 and 9000 processors have integrated graphics support and will operate without a GPU. This used to be only "G" models up to the 5000 series, but all of them have iGPUs now, with the exception of CPUs whose model ends in F (eg. Ryzen 5 7500F). With only 2 compute units, it is very weak, it's just to get basic usage out of it in case of a GPU failure or if your needs are light (web browsing and video playback only for example). But it'll do in a pinch.
 
Any news about the release time of the new generation ?

It likely won't be until mid 2026 to early 2027 at the earliest. It's quite a way off, the 9000 series just came out a few months ago.
 
did not say there is something wrong

Can anyone help me price my old components to sell as used ?

That depends on where you live, but if it's in the US or EU, maybe look at the average prices on eBay and knock off 10% of the average sold prices if you want it to go fast.
 
did not say there is something wrong

Can anyone help me price my old components to sell as used ?

Why to sell it, just give it to a non-profit association... be a good heart since you're already ready to buy a brand new PC even there is no available.
 
I'm on a 5800X3D and X570, with a 7900XTX.

Every time I go to start looking at AM5 kit, I don't see anything appreciably better* over my current platform (especially for the cost of the platform change).
*Personally, and as an overall -not just pure performance.

NtM, the 7800X3D and 7900xtx my friend has, is not an appreciable uplift over my 5800X3D. A 9800X3D might be, but...IMO, AM5 is still unattractive at the moment.
Maybe, X970(?)/PROM22(?) and IF-interlinked CCDs (come next generation) will change that?

IMHO
If you feel like your gaming performance is lacking, a 5800X3D or 5700X3D will feel like a generational leap over your current CPU.
 
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I do not miss my AM4 setup at all.. this 9900X is fast, my 58X3D is slow :D
 
I do not miss my AM4 setup at all.. this 9900X is fast, my 58X3D is slow :D
Luckily I play at 4K so the CPU isn't THAT important :rolleyes: 5800X will still be fine for a while :D
 
Luckily I play at 4K so the CPU isn't THAT important :rolleyes:
I play at 4K too, AM4 is weak :D

Once you move on you will see :)
 
That honestly depends on a few things. Current release is the X3D side of Ryzen 9000 series CPUs.
It's a newer X3D technology compared to something like the 5800X3D or 7800X3D.
A few years ago I started to depend on an Athlon 2650e for network storage, a single core AM2+ relic. Took a week to tame but it works great.
That was a fast system 16 years ago and makes for a very slow server but a borderline unusable workstation today.
I'm just spitballin here but I'm guessing you want to actually use the computer for multitasking, gaming, etc.

For nearly a decade of CAD and gaming I've been on a Phenom II X4 955BE, an AM3 era chip paired with 4GB and an abysmal HD6570 2GB.
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At $245 the CPU was worth it. The memory kit was the worst possible pairing and I eventually switched up to an 8GB Ballistix kit.
It took until a heavy interest in VR to figure out the HD6570 was causing serious instability, audio stutters and rendering issues in DX11 titles.
It is extremely important to pair your CPU with a competent GPU or whatever accelerator you're using for this and that or the system WILL struggle.

During peak Ethereum mining I made the expensive but correct decision to switch to a RX 580 Red Devil, which I still use today.
At this point everything looked good except I still needed a better CPU and memory was maxxed when loading certain VR worlds.
So mid-2018 I changed up to the FX-8370 and a 16GB G.Skill kit.
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This CPU was also worth it but shortly after, the price shot off to $400+ so I couldn't recommend it to anyone. The memory kit (still) kicks ass.
8 cores is not spectacular but this made the difference. It was triple the performance with ALL the extensions. All of them. 8MB L2+L3 cache helped.
The breach into the 4GHz clockspeed barrier was also huge, which I desperately needed for some games even though this chip isn't what we call efficient.
It's also worth noting, this CPU paired perfectly with my RX580, so beyond this point, there were zero improvements to GPU usage.

A year later I picked the R5 3600 and an Asus X570 TUF board.
The RX 580 is still a weak pairing but is without successor.
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A sub-$200 6c/12t chip is a weird change but good. This is also where I started to notice some trade-offs.
It is 2x the performance of FX. My games have not improved under this even with my insane overclocking abilities.
In some cases games perform worse but it does great in Folding@Home and other crunchers where the FX falls flat.
It may have a future after I retire and rack it as a new video/streaming server because it is more x264 encode capable.
However with a MX standoff between the nvidia Tesla P4, RTX A2000 and low profile RTX 3050, I may just go NVENC.

With all of that in mind, the 5900X is kind of my target upgrade from this 3600 and yet I still see no real reason to make the jump.
You are on a 5900X and looking into the 9800X3D, which is pretty wild but my fav streamer picked up the 9900X3D this week and it's solid too.

There's a great choice of AM5 CPUs available but I don't see anything exciting or other-worldly about the memory kits. I'm an easy romance too.
My 3600 handles gaming, 3DVR, batch rendering, streaming, virtual jobs, containers and video editing just fine for now. Is it my OC? 64GB? We don't know.
If a 9800X3D is in my future it would be the far future. There's nothing wrong with any of that but that's where I'm at.

I make very BROAD jumps between CPUs. Mainly 5 years apart (in design) and we're already in Feb of 2025. So who knows?
Maybe I should be looking at the 9800X3D. Not like I need it. There's a good chance you don't need it either but it's fast af boiii. :pimp:
 
I am confused and I want to ask the AMD 9000 series is the new current generation ?
Yes.

I have now 5900x is it worth it to upgrade to 9800X3D now or there is a new generation coming soon ? I will have to change Motherboard, CPU, RAM and Cooler
That depends on many things. Check out reviews of the 9800X3D, especially in the apps or games that you use, see how much you could get for your current stuff and work out the difference in both performance and price. :)

What graphics core count "2" mean ? can these CPU run games without GPU with just 2 cores ?
It means that the integrated graphics has 2 compute units, which equals 128 shader cores. It's not good to run games.
 
That honestly depends on a few things. Current release is the X3D side of Ryzen 9000 series CPUs.
It's a newer X3D technology compared to something like the 5800X3D or 7800X3D.
A few years ago I started to depend on an Athlon 2650e for network storage, a single core AM2+ relic. Took a week to tame but it works great.
That was a fast system 16 years ago and makes for a very slow server but a borderline unusable workstation today.
I'm just spitballin here but I'm guessing you want to actually use the computer for multitasking, gaming, etc.

For nearly a decade of CAD and gaming I've been on a Phenom II X4 955BE, an AM3 era chip paired with 4GB and an abysmal HD6570 2GB.
View attachment 386178

At $245 the CPU was worth it. The memory kit was the worst possible pairing and I eventually switched up to an 8GB Ballistix kit.
It took until a heavy interest in VR to figure out the HD6570 was causing serious instability, audio stutters and rendering issues in DX11 titles.
It is extremely important to pair your CPU with a competent GPU or whatever accelerator you're using for this and that or the system WILL struggle.

During peak Ethereum mining I made the expensive but correct decision to switch to a RX 580 Red Devil, which I still use today.
At this point everything looked good except I still needed a better CPU and memory was maxxed when loading certain VR worlds.
So mid-2018 I changed up to the FX-8370 and a 16GB G.Skill kit.
View attachment 386175
This CPU was also worth it but shortly after, the price shot off to $400+ so I couldn't recommend it to anyone. The memory kit (still) kicks ass.
8 cores is not spectacular but this made the difference. It was triple the performance with ALL the extensions. All of them. 8MB L2+L3 cache helped.
The breach into the 4GHz clockspeed barrier was also huge, which I desperately needed for some games even though this chip isn't what we call efficient.
It's also worth noting, this CPU paired perfectly with my RX580, so beyond this point, there were zero improvements to GPU usage.

A year later I picked the R5 3600 and an Asus X570 TUF board.
The RX 580 is still a weak pairing but is without successor.
View attachment 386177
A sub-$200 6c/12t chip is a weird change but good. This is also where I started to notice some trade-offs.
It is 2x the performance of FX. My games have not improved under this even with my insane overclocking abilities.
In some cases games perform worse but it does great in Folding@Home and other crunchers where the FX falls flat.
It may have a future after I retire and rack it as a new video/streaming server because it is more x264 encode capable.
However with a MX standoff between the nvidia Tesla P4, RTX A2000 and low profile RTX 3050, I may just go NVENC.

With all of that in mind, the 5900X is kind of my target upgrade from this 3600 and yet I still see no real reason to make the jump.
You are on a 5900X and looking into the 9800X3D, which is pretty wild but my fav streamer picked up the 9900X3D this week and it's solid too.

There's a great choice of AM5 CPUs available but I don't see anything exciting or other-worldly about the memory kits. I'm an easy romance too.
My 3600 handles gaming, 3DVR, batch rendering, streaming, virtual jobs, containers and video editing just fine for now. Is it my OC? 64GB? We don't know.
If a 9800X3D is in my future it would be the far future. There's nothing wrong with any of that but that's where I'm at.

I make very BROAD jumps between CPUs. Mainly 5 years apart (in design) and we're already in Feb of 2025. So who knows?
Maybe I should be looking at the 9800X3D. Not like I need it. There's a good chance you don't need it either but it's fast af boiii. :pimp:

To be honest, your CPU requirements seem very low and you also seem to be very much on the patient side. I'd say that by 2018 that purchase of the FX was an outright mistake. There's no defending the indefensible and this is a quote that applies with perfection to the utterly failed FX lineup. There was a reason AMD stock dipped as low as $1 back when this was the only product they had to offer, anyone who bought that dip made the investment of a lifetime.

But just pitching in for encoding, go with the A2000 all the way. Full pro suite, no restrictions apply. I'm having a blast with mine. Excellent SFF.
 
Hi
after checking AMD website here:

View attachment 386169

I am confused and I want to ask the AMD 9000 series is the new current generation ?

I have now 5900x is it worth it to upgrade to 9800X3D now or there is a new generation coming soon ? I will have to change Motherboard, CPU, RAM and Cooler

What graphics core count "2" mean ? can these CPU run games without GPU with just 2 cores ?
This iGPU has 2 compute units (CU). Your 6800XT has 72CUs. Not all CUs are equal with each other though, it depends on the architecture but you can tell that the difference in gaming performance is huge.
A rough estimation of what it takes to play games would be something like 16CUs at minimum and this is for low resolutions and low settings. For very basic low FPS gaming.
2CUs are only for typical non gaming tasks.

As for the 5900X vs 9800X3D it depends on the resolution you use and also type of games. At low-medium resolutions the difference will be substantial. At higher resolutions like ultrawide or 4K the differences are smaller (as the GPU becomes the bottleneck) but still you will see some benefits especially on CPU demanding titles. As the years go by and games ”progress“ the CPU requirements are increasing also.
X3D CPUs are the top gaming hardware for sure, and another ”benefit” is that you don’t need fast system RAM. The extra cache compensates for it.
A 6000MT/s CL30 kit is all you’ll ever need. 48GB or 64GB if you need ram for other tasks or if you can find a good deal over the 48GB option.

As mentioned already the 9000 is the latest and the next I wouldn’t expect it sooner than 1.5~2 years from now.
 

@Martin007

as long as nothing shows you get to the point where an upgrade is needed or would make a big noticeable difference, i would wait.
even if im not looking at cost, the amount of ppl with significant problems with mb/ram/expo that cant be fixed by user (say beta bios), is enough for me to hold off.
 
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I play at 4K too, AM4 is weak :D

Once you move on you will see :)
My favorite little thing about AM5 vs AM4 is theres no more super weird usb issues. Nice little bonus.
 
IMHO
If you feel like your gaming performance is lacking, a 5800X3D or 5700X3D will feel like a generational leap over your current CPU.
I have 6800xt card and playing at QHD I dont see a game very lacking so 5800X3D is better now ? I also do game development with Unreal Engine but problem that prices of new am5 components are real expensive
 
There is a new laptop CPU coming that rather radically changes the specs - more memory, more bandwidth, more GPU. Check what you are buying agaist the specs below:


The laptops with the new setup will be available soon, and it is reasonable to expect AMD to put out desktop chips with similar technology in a year or two. Those desktop chips will need a different socket to have similar memory bandwidth increase.
 
I have 6800xt card and playing at QHD I dont see a game very lacking so 5800X3D is better now ? I also do game development with Unreal Engine but problem that prices of new am5 components are real expensive
Do some comparisons of your rig with same specs but different cpu and resolution to determine if switching to a x3d is the end all.
 
#1 shows unobtainable processors like the 12 and 16 core X3d 9000 ones.

I have now 5900x is it worth it to upgrade to 9800X3D

some AM5 mainboard have more nvme slots and less sata slots

I only care for compile times. I sold 2023 my ryzen 5800x. For the transistion period i used for a short while ryzen 3 3100.

The ryzen 7600X - 6 core is as fast as the older 8-core ryzen 5800x. Both were running on budget mainbaords like the msi b550 gaming edge wifi or the asus prime x670-p mainboard. Entry level cheap mainboards. both were using tuned dram.

I would wait for the unobtainable 12 and 16 core x3d processors from the 9000 series before making a decission.


new am5 components are real expensive

Do you just want a free cheap upgrade? Yes - than keep your stuff.

You missed out the period in 2023 where I also bougt my mainboard and cpu bundles. AMD had a lot of bundles to sell their processors.

expensive is relative. B650 mainboards are cheap. The ryzen 7000 series cpus are a good choice. The x3d parts are not a good choice price wise.

I do not see the point of expensive anymore on AM5 + ryzen 7000/8000 + without any x3d processors

What graphics core count "2" mean ? can these CPU run games without GPU with just 2 cores ?

I did test nviida graphic cards in 2023, nivida 960 gtx with 4gb vram. the 960 is also unusable in whqd. sadly no subnautica in whqd.

i did test my ryzen 7600X internal graphics. Simple games like encased in whqd are a slideshow. Only game which was playable was mount and blade 1. That used some directx 7 or 9? None of the epic game giveaway games was playable.

I had before my radeon 6800 non xt and after that card several months only the ryzen 7600x graphics in 2023 with windows 11 23 h2.
 
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