HDD choices (yeah the old ones)

[Plumelourde]

Hello,

I'm trying to build my new computer and I have some question for storage.
Till now I have been differentiating:
-programs, programs caches, working files, games => SSD
-files (music photon video old project) => HDD (4 to)
For the second one I'm always a bit in the red with the to... so i want to double the space (8to).

I have questions:
- I thought to go with NAS or Enterprise HDD for more fiability and performance... is it a sensible move?
- I read that the big space HDD are more inclined to have error than the small ones... so i thought I will take 2 x 4 to than 1 x 8 to... what do you think?
- for the model, i thought about wd gold or seagate ironwolf pro... but if you have any other recommandation...?

Thank you.

 

[TheLostSwede]

A NAS hard drive doesn't offer more performance as such, instead they're usually rated for 24/7 operation. Something like the plain WD Red offer zero performance over the WD Blue.

All hard drives have a certain amount of faulty sectors from the factory, but you never see those, as they're handled by the drive firmware. As to if larger hard drives develop more sector faults over time, I guess it could be true, but they also have more sectors to start with. Again, some of this should be possible to handle, but it gets to a point where a drive really starts to fail and then it's a huge issue, which is why backups are important. That said, I don't think there's any major concern to buy an 8 TB drive these days, as it's considered fairly normal size now that we have 20 TB drives.

Have you considered Toshiba? I have had very good luck with their drives. Had a couple of their consumer drives in my old NAS that didn't miss a beat for over five years.
Got four 4TB X300 drives in my current NAS, of which I will admit, one failed and was replaced under warranty. Then again, I've seen problems with WD, Seagate, Conner, Quantum, IBM, HGST, Samsung, Maxtor and what not over the years, they are mechanical drives after all. Again, enterprise models don't mean they'll last longer, although they are rated for 24/7 operation, which normal consumer drives are not.

 

[Plumelourde]

Ha ok.

So a barracuda has the same reliability than an ironwolf ?

For me it's really to put video-photo-music on it. If it's the same price, beetween a wd black 8to or a wb gold 8 to what would you choose? (to put in a laptop)

Toshiba? Yeah but some say there are strange noises with them...?

 

[TheLostSwede]

It comes down to how you use the drive. That said, Seagate seems to have reduced the warranty on their drives, which makes the Barracuda and non pro IronWolf somewhat less interesting.

To put in a laptop? You're aware laptops use 2.5" drives, right? As such, none of the drives mentioned will fit, unless you're planning on getting a USB enclosure for the drive.

Some say? Right, so some person on the internet that had a bad experience is the one to trust... I haven't heard any strange noises from the ones I own, not even the one that was starting to fail. If we're going by noise, then you better shy away from Seagate as well, as they have been known for making noise. Also, don't bother with 7,200 rpm drives, as they make noise...

 

[Selaya]

i would just buy one of those that have <0.5% AFR and a statistical significant amount of data (like, more than 10,000,000 drive days totes or something)

 

[TheLostSwede]

i would just buy one of those that have <0.5% AFR and a statistical significant amount of data (like, more than 10,000,000 drive days totes or something)

So you recommend nothing then? HGST is now part of WD and those drives are no longer being made.
None of the other brands meet your proposed requirements.

 

[Plumelourde]

It comes down to how you use the drive. That said, Seagate seems to have reduced the warranty on their drives, which makes the Barracuda and non pro IronWolf somewhat less interesting.

To put in a laptop? You're aware laptops use 2.5" drives, right? As such, none of the drives mentioned will fit, unless you're planning on getting a USB enclosure for the drive.

Some say? Right, so some person on the internet that had a bad experience is the one to trust... I haven't heard any strange noises from the ones I own, not even the one that was starting to fail. If we're going by noise, then you better shy away from Seagate as well, as they have been known for making noise. Also, don't bother with 7,200 rpm drives, as they make noise...

sorry not laptop... normal pc

 

[GerKNG]

anything but SMR drives (like WD Blues, barracudas and WD Reds non +)

from my personal experience: ( i don't use HDDs since many years)

my last two HDDs are Toshiba P300 drives which are around 6 years old.
one is in my brothers PC one in my friends PC (friends PC runs 24/7, brothers PC 4-6 hours per day)

both are after 6 years of usage completely fine with zero dead,relocated or floating sectors, no weird noises and constant great throughput. (around 200MB/s writing)
they are dirt cheap and very solid.

otherwise i'd buy Ironwolfs or WD Red+ (or black but for the price you can almost buy SSDs)

 

[Plumelourde]

anything but SMR drives (like WD Blues, barracudas and WD Reds non +)

from my personal experience: ( i don't use HDDs since many years)

my last two HDDs are Toshiba P300 drives which are around 6 years old.
one is in my brothers PC one in my friends PC (friends PC runs 24/7, brothers PC 4-6 hours per day)

both are after 6 years of usage completely fine with zero dead,relocated or floating sectors, no weird noises and constant great throughput. (around 200MB/s writing)
they are dirt cheap and very solid.

otherwise i'd buy Ironwolfs or WD Red+ (or black but for the price you can almost buy SSDs)

Thank. Ok I look into toshiba... the x300 seem nice.
For the price, im not so agree: the max un ssd are 4to +> even with a good price you have for more than 350 bucks for one...
The HDD are at 90 buck for one...

 

[GerKNG]

Thank. Ok I look into toshiba... the x300 seem nice.
For the price, im not so agree: the max un ssd are 4to +> even with a good price you have for more than 350 bucks for one...
The HDD are at 90 buck for one...

i meant the WD Black (where a 4TB HDD costs up to 200€. meanwhile a 870 QVO is sometimes on sale for just 30-40€ more)

 

[Plumelourde]

i meant the WD Black (where a 4TB HDD costs up to 200€. meanwhile a 870 QVO is sometimes on sale for just 30-40€ more)

ha ok i see ;-)

 

[Selaya]

So you recommend nothing then? HGST is now part of WD and those drives are no longer being made.
None of the other brands meet your proposed requirements.

you know that you can just buy a used HGST yeah xd and i'd still take that over a brand new seagate so

 

[theFOoL]

Yeah... I buy most HDDs off ebay. They are mostly used just bought 1 new but All work great after a few years now

 

[Plumelourde]

you know that you can just buy a used HGST yeah xd and i'd still take that over a brand new seagate so

Is it so good?

Yeah... I buy most HDDs off ebay. They are mostly used just bought 1 new but All work great after a few years now

I would not dare

 

[Shrek]

I would not dare

I risk it, but first test for any bad sectors.

I think Western Digital may be returning to hybrid hard drives.
Western Digital announces a hybrid hard drive | Network World

 

[theFOoL]

I normally look for ones that for 30 day return so yeah all good here

 

[oobymach]

WD gold Ultrastar hdd's are rated for millions of hours use.

I use WD blacks as my main continual use hdd's.

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[HD64G]

WD Gold series and anything from WD that has a *star in the series name is an HGST product as far as I know and thus, brings a great reliability with it. And I happen to own and use a used for server 4TB HDD from Hitachi for over 2 years now.

 

[Plumelourde]

WD Gold series and anything from WD that has a *star in the series name is an HGST product as far as I know and thus, brings a great reliability with it. And I happen to own and use a used for server 4TB HDD from Hitachi for over 2 years now.

so wd gold would be a good choice (for computer)?

WD gold hdd's are rated for millions of hours use.

I use WD blacks as my main continual use hdd's.

Most Reliable Hard Drives 2023

There's nothing worse than hard drive failure. Protect your data by choosing one of the most reliable hard drives.

www.makeuseof.com

oh exos the most reliable? Oo intersting.

 

[Shrek]

What worries me is the typical hard drive Non recoverable read error of 1 per 10^14 bits (max); that's just 12.5 tera bytes

The Exos drives are ten times better in this respect.

 

[oobymach]

Sorry I meant Ultrastar from WD has the million plus hour life, gold are the one up from red.

 

[Plumelourde]

Thank you for all your help...
I have gained more knowledge but im still a little lost.
I thin each one have his toughts about this...

 

[theFOoL]

As someone here mentioned, HDDs will always at some point regardless if new can result in bad checks on software HDD Checker like CrystalDiskInfo.

 

[docnorth]

The former Hitachi you mentioned are now WD Ultrastar, maybe the best HDD’s right now. Actually they are the successors of the gold series. Just make a research about noise, enterprise disks might be noisier, but this could be also true about WD black. For >4TB I would choose WD Ultrastar, just my two cents.

 

[Plumelourde]

Ok So ill go with a WD Gold (004) 8 to.
It was with an offer so... thank you guys. ;-)