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headache... with fancontroll..... need help...

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ok i got a aorus x570 pro mainboard and a bunc of noctua fans..
and im using Smart fan 5 (AORUS system information viewer) to controll them
my first issue was that my 3000 rpm noctua fan doest want to do what i tell it do trough that program.. like ramping up to 2500 rpm... it wont do it its realy stubborn..
i had it connected to one of the mainboard fan headers. so i try switching it.. i had 2 more fan headers that whernt pluged in they where gaving me the same issue

i can run the fan by connecting it straight to the psu... but if i use noctua low noise adapter.. it wont run... why do them even add it with it ???

and when i plug my other 1800rpm fan to system fan 1 header... geus what it wont run.. dont know why even telling to go to full speed doest do it...
tough cpu and front intake are connected to the mainboard and they do the things i tell them to do...that works fine

running the 3k rpm fan constaly makes allot of noise.... so not an option to hot wire it into the psu...

so im thinking to use one of these am i missing something??
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You can try fancontrol from github it be able control the fans based on what you asked it to do based on temp = speed graph
 
I'm on Z690 Aorus Master, sometimes on system startup one of my Noctua fans won't spin at all, I have other brand fans as well but when it happens it's always a Noctua.
Luckily it doesn't happen every day, for now I have set profiles in BIOS so they will spin everytime on startup, my Noctua's do have fan-stop but I don't use it and haven't them cofigered that either.
But sometimes it still happens, the only way to get it spinning again is to power down my system and then power up again. (restart won't work)
I also use Smart fan 6 advanced in windows, have created a fan profile.
 
You can try a 4pin speed reducer.

i have couple of em from noctua problem is it wont run at all with that thing connected :(
I'm on Z690 Aorus Master, sometimes on system startup one of my Noctua fans won't spin at all, I have other brand fans as well but when it happens it's always a Noctua.
Luckily it doesn't happen every day, for now I have set profiles in BIOS so they will spin everytime on startup, my Noctua's do have fan-stop but I don't use it and haven't them cofigered that either.
But sometimes it still happens, the only way to get it spinning again is to power down my system and then power up again. (restart won't work)
I also use Smart fan 6 advanced in windows, have created a fan profile.
lucky im not the only one having this problem
You can try fancontrol from github it be able control the fans based on what you asked it to do based on temp = speed graph
i tried it program feels realy messy to me

and smart fan 5 ist any beter at all..

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Unless you wired it up incorrectly is what I am guessing
 
Unless you wired it up incorrectly is what I am guessing
led headers have a differend shape and says led thats as far as i got :)
 
Let's back up here and start at the beginning.

What Noctua fans are these?

You mention 3000 rpm but the only 3000 rpm Noctua models in the 140mm and 120mm size are industrialPPC-3000 units which are black. I don't see any black fans in this photo. There are no 3000 rpm Noctua fans in the 200mm, 92mm nor 80mm sizes. Noctua does make beige 3000 rpm fans in the 60mm size and I don't see any of those in your photo.

And please verify that your units are 4-pin PWM fans, not 3-pin DC fans. If you are in fact using 3-pin DC fans, please confirm that your motherboard UEFI is set for DC voltage control (which isn't as precise as PWM control).

I downloaded the owner's manual for your motherboard. It has six fan headers (all of them 4-pin) and I am incredulous that not a single fan header can provide adequate fan speed control on what is purportedly a premium ATX motherboard.
 
Some 4 pins connectors are backward compatible with 3 pins you can still control fan speed regardless as I have a 4 pin 4000 rpm fan don't remember the model that connected to 3 pin header on my mother board and it controlled by fan control from github since I limited the speed by 50% so it don't sound like a jet taking off inside the case
 
Let's back up here and start at the beginning.

What Noctua fans are these?

You mention 3000 rpm but the only 3000 rpm Noctua models in the 140mm and 120mm size are industrialPPC-3000 units which are black. I don't see any black fans in this photo. There are no 3000 rpm Noctua fans in the 200mm, 92mm nor 80mm sizes. Noctua does make beige 3000 rpm fans in the 60mm size and I don't see any of those in your photo.

And please verify that your units are 4-pin PWM fans, not 3-pin DC fans. If you are in fact using 3-pin DC fans, please confirm that your motherboard UEFI is set for DC voltage control (which isn't as precise as PWM control).

I downloaded the owner's manual for your motherboard. It has six fan headers (all of them 4-pin) and I am incredulous that not a single fan header can provide adequate fan speed control on what is purportedly a premium ATX motherboard.
industrialPPC-3000 on the back of the radiator ;) 120mm
all of them are 4 pin always double shecked for it so wpm should be right?
need to sheck that DC voltage thingy... never tough about it
tough that 3000 rpm is giving me the moost problems of them all tested it on 2 fan headers it just do want i want to do...
i also found a thing called NA-FC 1 https://noctua.at/en/na-fc1
 
Some 4 pins connectors are backward compatible with 3 pins you can still control fan speed regardless as I have a 4 pin 4000 rpm fan don't remember the model that connected to 3 pin header on my mother board and it controlled by fan control from github since I limited the speed by 50% so it don't sound like a jet taking off inside the case
Yes, you can plug a 3-pin DC controlled fan into a 4-pin PWM fan connector on a motherboard. However, since there's no fourth pin (PWM control), the fan speed is controlled on pin 2 (DC) by the motherboard varying the DC voltage output. But that 3-pin fan will get all 12 volts by default from a 4-pin fan connector.

OK, OP has clarified that Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 fans are being used on the external GPU radiator. This fan only comes in a PWM-controlled model at 3000 rpm. It would have saved a lot of time if exact model numbers and descriptions were provided in the original post.

Noctua explicitly states that the Low-Noise Adapter is not compatible with the industrialPPC product line:


It is highly possible that the Noctua Low-Noise Adapter is interfering with proper fan control from the motherboard so OP should remove it.

After OP confirms that the corresponding fan header is set to PWM control, the next obvious question is what is the temperature source for controlling the fan speed?
 
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Yes, you can plug a 3-pin DC controlled fan into a 4-pin PWM fan connector on a motherboard. However, since there's no fourth pin (PWM control), the fan speed is controlled on pin 2 (DC) by the motherboard varying the DC voltage output. But that 3-pin fan will get all 12 volts by default from a 4-pin fan connector.

OK, OP has clarified that Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 fans are being used on the external GPU radiator. This fan only comes in a PWM-controlled model at 3000 rpm. It would have saved a lot of time if exact model numbers and descriptions were provided in the original post.

Noctua explicitly states that the Low-Noise Adapter is not compatible with the industrialPPC product line:


It is highly possible that the Noctua Low-Noise Adapter is interfering with proper fan control from the motherboard so OP should remove it.

After OP confirms that the corresponding fan header is set to PWM control, the next obvious question is what is the temperature source for controlling the fan speed?
In fan control from github you can set a temperature source like cpu/gpu and set a graph base on temperature to fan speed ratio like CPU at 30c set speed at 40% as soon as temp goes up the fan will ramp up smoothly or rapid depending on custom graph you can make different graph in different scenarios
 
Yes, you can plug a 3-pin DC controlled fan into a 4-pin PWM fan connector on a motherboard. However, since there's no fourth pin (PWM control), the fan speed is controlled on pin 2 (DC) by the motherboard varying the DC voltage output. But that 3-pin fan will get all 12 volts by default from a 4-pin fan connector.

OK, OP has clarified that Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 fans are being used on the external GPU radiator. This fan only comes in a PWM-controlled model at 3000 rpm. It would have saved a lot of time if exact model numbers and descriptions were provided in the original post.

Noctua explicitly states that the Low-Noise Adapter is not compatible with the industrialPPC product line:


It is highly possible that the Noctua Low-Noise Adapter is interfering with proper fan control from the motherboard so OP should remove it.

After OP confirms that the corresponding fan header is set to PWM control, the next obvious question is what is the temperature source for controlling the fan speed?
sorry about not mentioning what model fans i exactly got...

i shecked the bios they where all on AUTO and changed to PWM tough 3000 rpm fan stil doest spin up its connected to system header 1 top left corner of the mainboard...
(does spin up when system boots )

already removed the low noise adapter i was hoping i could run the 3000 rpm fan atleast half its speed with it when directly hooked up to the psu
all other fans are doing what they are told
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i shecked the bios they where all on AUTO and changed to PWM tough 3000 rpm fan stil doest spin up its connected to system header 1 top left corner of the mainboard...
(does spin up when system boots )
already removed the low noise adapter i was hoping i could run the 3000 rpm fan atleast half its speed with it when directly hooked up to the psu
all other fans are doing what they are told
Try a different fan on system header 1. If it works correctly then your Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM fan may be defective, specifically the PWM control circuitry since the motor seems to be fine (runs well off of 12V DC power directly from the PSU).
 
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are the fan headers enabled in the BIOS? usually SYSFAN1 (or just FAN1) are enabled by default. There also might be a PWM setting somewhere, not entirely sure about that.
 
The symptom could be a faulty fan controller or the fan header not working due to the mosfet blown on the motherboard not giving voltages or pwm signal I seen these happen when the fan connector is plugged in the header the wrong way I say time to get the multimeter out for testing the fan headers to see if it working or not this all I can think
 
You should check the ampere specs of those fans. High RPM/high power/industrial fans need more juice than the average fans, especially at spinup.
So if you connect them to a fan controller & regulate them down, they won't spin up. ;) Do they work if you give them a little push with your finger?

I also would avoid fan controllers, it's just asking for trouble. Buy (silent) fans with the fan speeds you need (1.600 RPM max. is really enough) and call it a day.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the fans aren't turning because they're not receiving enough power to spin up at those settings.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the fans aren't turning because they're not receiving enough power to spin up at those settings.
usealy before i play a game i put it on max speed not always that it want to go full speed.. stays idle... same when i want to lower the speed once im done. just keeps going full speed

You should check the ampere specs of those fans. High RPM/high power/industrial fans need more juice than the average fans, especially at spinup.
So if you connect them to a fan controller & regulate them down, they won't spin up. ;) Do they work if you give them a little push with your finger?

I also would avoid fan controllers, it's just asking for trouble. Buy (silent) fans with the fan speeds you need (1.600 RPM max. is really enough) and call it a day.
no wont turn when i push it or just keeps idling if it does run :P
 
wanted to let you guys know i fixed the problem bypasing it with a hardwired speed controller from noctua
next step is ordering liqeuid metal and other needings bits for it <3 going to liquid metal
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ok i got a aorus x570 pro mainboard and a bunc of noctua fans..
and im using Smart fan 5 (AORUS system information viewer) to controll them
my first issue was that my 3000 rpm noctua fan doest want to do what i tell it do trough that program.. like ramping up to 2500 rpm... it wont do it its realy stubborn..
i had it connected to one of the mainboard fan headers. so i try switching it.. i had 2 more fan headers that whernt pluged in they where gaving me the same issue

i can run the fan by connecting it straight to the psu... but if i use noctua low noise adapter.. it wont run... why do them even add it with it ???

and when i plug my other 1800rpm fan to system fan 1 header... geus what it wont run.. dont know why even telling to go to full speed doest do it...
tough cpu and front intake are connected to the mainboard and they do the things i tell them to do...that works fine

running the 3k rpm fan constaly makes allot of noise.... so not an option to hot wire it into the psu...

so im thinking to use one of these am i missing something??View attachment 257296

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I have the exact same board and currently I have 3x120mm case fans connected to the board.
The fans are 500-1500rpm capable and they are 4pin fans as all headers of the board are. I use Gigabyte SIV (smartfan5) to control them.
From BIOS (SmartFan5 with F6) I have the Voltage/PWM setting on auto (by default) on each fan.
When you first run the software or if there is any BIOS reset from a BIOS upgrade or when you change CPU, the SIV auto runs a calibration (when you open it) for all fans connected to the board.
It runs them all together from minimum to maximum rpm. Then it auto sets a curve with a target temperature.
For example SYS_FAN1 tracks System1 temperature on the board, SYS_FAN2 the System2 temperature.

You can do exactly the same from within BIOS’s SmartFan5. Set a curve for each fan and a target to what ever temperature.
This way you don’t need SIV at all.

Unfortunately I’m not in front of my PC right now otherwise I could show you how it looks when fans are working properly.

I will in about 6+hours…
 
yea im aware of the calibration tool. but i prefer to max out the fans when i game. it would be nice if AMD had fancontroll in there software so i can tie the funcurves to the exe files ( profile) in AMD adrenaline
 
yea im aware of the calibration tool. but i prefer to max out the fans when i game. it would be nice if AMD had fancontroll in there software so i can tie the funcurves to the exe files ( profile) in AMD adrenaline
AMD and Intel rely on the BIOS for fan curves, sadly, hence 3rd party fan controls.

I found that fan controls by board makers tend to be crapily programed, they might work for a while.


Fan CTRL+, SpeedFan, and a few others, all are always much better choices.

A couple free choices:

this one is $licensed$ per year.
 
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