Help Me Understand Ryzen Master Software

[concretefire]

I KNOW what the program is designed to do.

My confusion: > When I get my settings on "Profile 1" (or whatever I name it) in Ryzen Master.......I get it all set up just the way I want it. I click "Save Profile" first...... just to have a copy or whatever. Then I click "Apply and Test" ---- it restarts my PC and RM auto comes on and starts testing my settings. Great! It PASSES!!!!. Success!!!!.......

Now, let's say I have that profile DELIBERATELY set to match Bios 100%. WHY? Why would I do that? So I could have an immediate "return to default / normal" profile / setup.......IMMEDIATELY!

(Stay with me) ---- Now......I create a 2nd profile. Profile 2. Overclock , memory tightening, etc.... .......and I go through the whole same steps as above. Save it. Apply it and test....... it restarts, tests itself and PASSES. Great!!!.........

CONFUSION >>> I Cannot simply "click" on a GOOD (tested successful) profile and click "apply"............. <<< It wants to restart my PC every time.

***IN MY HEAD***......... If I have a stock, vanilla profile saved in RM and it's already been tested, saved, and a success........... I OUGHT TO BE ABLE to "apply" that profile immediately. No restart........ Understand??? Why should I have to restart the computer for it to apply?

If that is the case........ that means RM is literally just a GUI for the bios because you may as well just forget RM altogether and set differenet profiles in Bios because you're going to have to restart the PC no matter what. RM << IF NOT ALLOWED TO APPLY SETTING "on the fly" without restart...is rather useless then. No?

 

[Toothless]

You're probably changing ram timings/clocks which it wants a restart for. Does the same thing for me.

 

[xman2007]

I don't think it's meant for on the fly changes, more like oc profile, quiet profile, set desired profile and restart.

 

[Toothless]

I don't think it's meant for on the fly changes, more like oc profile, quiet profile, set desired profile and restart.

You can change clocks whenever you'd like, so its partly on the fly.

 

[xman2007]

You can change clocks whenever you'd like, so its partly on the fly.

True but as mentioned above me, memory speed and timings are a different kettle of fish and maybe need a restart to apply changes, but I don't see why you'd want to constantly change settings and overclock in the same session, that said I don't like software overclocking anyway and will always use the bios regardless

 

[concretefire]

You summed it up perfectly. You don't THINK it's meant for on the fly changes............. cool. Maybe you're right. All I'm saying is *IF* it is not an "on the fly" magic Ryzen Wand....... then all it is simply a GUI shortcut from the BIOS to the OS.....so you theoretically wouldn't have to "write down" numbers for values old school like we used to have to do...........

If that's it's purpose......cool. It works. Fine. But on the other hand, if it's SUPPOSED TO BE "on the fly" capable as long as the "tested" profiles pass RM muster.......then by God, it ought to change on the fly, instantly.

So that's my main confusion right there. Is it or is it not an on the fly program? If it's not an on the fly program changer.......then it's just a helpful to eventually get your bios settings dialed in MANUALLY < and THAT / THOSE are the profiles you need / want to save....... "Default profile. 20% OC profile. Extreme OC profile........ etc...... you get it. And load it straight from bios.

RM can be handy there for sure. But it would be so much more better if it was actually "on the fly" changes.

PS......When you make a MEMORY TIMING change (say you tighten CL from 19 down to 18) ----- You do it in Ryzen Master. You click apply. It restarts the pc because (in theory at this point, I suppose it's trying to load the profile you just told it to load)........ if you stop the loading process and go into bios at that point......does it in fact CHANGE the value for you in bios? Would you see it has in fact changed from 19 to 18? Do the changes show up in bios?

Because then that would make it super helpful as a tuning tool .....

 

[xman2007]

It's not a gui for bios cause it doesn't change the bios settings, you can run default bios settings then have ryzen master apply an overclock upon booting with completely different settings than those in the bios, kind of how you can have afterburner apply a GPU overclock profile on startup. Most people myself included prefer to use the bios to overclock as it has always been a more stable way to overclock compared to using software. RM is more likely aimed at those who aren't familiar with overclocking and navigating a complex bios or for oem systems with no overclocking options in the bios

 

[concretefire]

True but as mentioned above me, memory speed and timings are a different kettle of fish and maybe need a restart to apply changes, but I don't see why you'd want to constantly change settings and overclock in the same session, that said I don't like software overclocking anyway and will always use the bios regardless

Good call. Maybe I need to test RM with CPU only settings.......... see if it will let me do "on the fly" changes so long as the memory timings stay untouched. If it allows that, then it's a memory thing. If we must still bow down to restarts every time we mess with the RAM witchery...... so be it. Different kettle of fish indeed. That would make hard restarts make more sense.

And indeed, I agree with you. I'm old school. Set your stuff in bios. Trust but verify. RM just a tool to help you get those hard numbers set faster. I got no problems with that. Cool. I'm not interested in constantly changing my settings, OC'ing, etc...... but on the other hand, I did just build this new semi-beast, so I'd like to know what the low end and high end is. Make settings accordingly and permanently in bios VIA about 3 main settings. Stock, Mild OC. And Full Throttle.......

If RM can help me get there faster, great. Then ......... we cruise........ I agree with you actually.

It's not a gui for bios cause it doesn't change the bios settings, you can run default bios settings then have ryzen master apply an overclock upon booting with completely different settings than those in the bios, kind of how you can have afterburner apply a GPU overclock profile on startup. Most people myself included prefer to use the bios to overclock as it has always been a more stable way to overclock compared to using software. RM is more likely aimed at those who aren't familiar with overclocking and navigating a complex bios or for oem systems with no overclocking options in the bios

Totally with you now. Agree. All of it. Every word.

But on the other hand, if you / we know all that, RM is still a pretty sweet little "shortcut" tool in the sense that we know it's over riding the hard bios numbers we've entered........and you know what? IT'S WORKING....!!! Sweet. And the shortcut part is, print out, screenshot, etc, THOSE numbers and then go enter them hard in bios like you and I agree ought to be done. Old school. But with "it should work" numbers......from the screenshot.

Pretty cool. I'm getting ready to ask another question about Dram Calculator in a seperate thread if you want to jump in...............