How about including iGPU performance in CPU reviews?

[newtekie1]

I'd like to see a page with the 720p game tests repeated but using the iGPU. After all, the review is for the entire package, and the iGPU is part of that package. It is important IMO to get an idea of how the iGPU performs.

 

[Caring1]

My thought too.
I just posted in a CPU review that gaming tests are pointless if the integrated graphics aren't tested.
Apart from 720p I'd also like to see higher resolutions to show their true capabilities.

 

[las]

Would be fun. From my experience iGPU sucks to the point where you can only play old games on LOWEST settings at 1080p. Only good for GPU RMA or in between GPU's.

I think they should use 1080p.

 

[Frick]

Would be fun. From my experience iGPU sucks to the point where you can only play old games on LOWEST settings at 1080p. Only good for GPU RMA or in between GPU's.

I think they should use 1080p.

Or if you don't game at all or only play indie titles, or casual titles. The Ryzen APUs are perfect for almost everyone.

 

[Ruru]

I played Battlefield 4 with Pentium G630's IGP, and I was surprised, ~35fps low 720p.

But why not, it would be nice to know if games could be played just in case.

 

[dj-electric]

A small problem - iGPU relies on RAM, and performance is also very dependent. Might as well standardize RAM

 

[W1zzard]

Might as well standardize RAM

Already using 3200 CL14 everywhere.

I'd like to see a page with the 720p game tests repeated but using the iGPU.

For most (higher-end) CPU reviews the IGP is irrelevant. I do see your point, will look into it for the next full CPU rebench later this year. Definitely not going to have as many titles as for discrete GPU testing. Maybe 5 games or so. Any specific reason for 720p and not 1080p? Lowest possible details in those games?

 

[HTC]

I used to play Diablo 3 @ 1600 / 900 with low details (but not lowest) on my A-7850 APU: this was before getting my current card.

 

[cucker tarlson]

iGPU is for displaying,testing games is pointless unless you mean very old ones (dx9). APU is for gaming (theoretically). Only CPUs that had a half decent iGPU were those with iris pro, could play 1080p/30 fps medium quality, most of them are shit.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/core-i7-5775c-processor-review-desktop-broadwell,14.html
https://www.techspot.com/review/1041-intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake/page9.html

 

[Anarchy0110]

720p and 1080p, maybe even 900p should be great imo

 

[newtekie1]

Any specific reason for 720p and not 1080p? Lowest possible details in those games?

Well, really to give them a chance and to make the differences as noticeable as possible. There might be a 20% performance difference between two iGPUs, that difference is more understandable to the reader if it is 80fps vs 100fps instead of 8fps vs 10fps.

iGPU is for displaying,testing games is pointless unless you mean very old ones (dx9).

I played modern games on my iGPU a lot back when my main computer was an APU and I didn't have a descrete graphics card. Just because it wasn't at top settings and a low resolution didn't mean I didn't have fun. Heck, I beat GTA:V on an iGPU.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Well, really to give them a chance and to make the differences as noticeable as possible. There might be a 20% performance difference between two iGPUs, that difference is more understandable to the reader if it is 80fps vs 100fps instead of 8fps vs 10fps.



I played modern games on my iGPU a lot back when my main computer was an APU and I didn't have a descrete graphics card. Just because it wasn't at top settings and a low resolution didn't mean I didn't have fun. Heck, I beat GTA:V on an iGPU.

What was it then ? An APU or a CPU with a potato iGPU ? If it was an APU then faine, it's what they're for.

 

[las]

Or if you don't game at all or only play indie titles, or casual titles. The Ryzen APUs are perfect for almost everyone.

Nah they're not...

Already using 3200 CL14 everywhere.
For most (higher-end) CPU reviews the IGP is irrelevant. I do see your point, will look into it for the next full CPU rebench later this year. Definitely not going to have as many titles as for discrete GPU testing. Maybe 5 games or so. Any specific reason for 720p and not 1080p? Lowest possible details in those games?

1080p for sure. Low preset

 

[Frick]

Nah they're not...

"Almost everyone" as in "almost every human". Remember the vast majority of humans aren't gamers.

 

[las]

"Almost everyone" as in "almost every human". Remember the vast majority of humans aren't gamers.

Yeah - sadly they need high-end memory to perform the best

 

[newtekie1]

What was it then ? An APU or a CPU with a potato iGPU ? If it was an APU then faine, it's what they're for.

And APU is just a CPU with an iGPU. That is my point of this thread, the performance of the iGPU matters.

Yeah - sadly they need high-end memory to perform the best

The difference high-end memory makes isn't really going to be noticed by "almost everyone". An APU paired with DDR4-2400 is going to satisfy the needs of almost everyone.

 

[Space Lynx]

Go read a ryzen 2200 or 2400 review... they usually have intel hd graphics for comparison. /shrug i'd rather see min fps make a comeback in TPU cpu reviews, because those are still dominated by Intel and create a smoother gaming experience.

 

[las]

And APU is just a CPU with an iGPU. That is my point of this thread, the performance of the iGPU matters.
The difference high-end memory makes isn't really going to be noticed by "almost everyone". An APU paired with DDR4-2400 is going to satisfy the needs of almost everyone.

I don't know anyone that would be satisfied with that. But sure, some might be. People that don't play games, usually just get a laptop. Even higher end gaming laptops beats those APU's with ease tho. Intel CPU + mid-end Nvidia GPU blasts them too. For me, an APU is pointless. People are better off buying a good CPU and a low-end dedicated GPU, which can be upgraded. Or laptop + console.
I've tried 2400G and I was not impressed. Sub 30 fps in newer/demanding games on lowest settings at 1080p is kinda bad.. Imagine them in 1-2 years..

Go read a ryzen 2200 or 2400 review... they usually have intel hd graphics for comparison. /shrug i'd rather see min fps make a comeback in TPU cpu reviews, because those are still dominated by Intel and create a smoother gaming experience.

You are correct. Minimum fps is the most important for a smooth gaming experience. They should be definitely be included.

 

[eidairaman1]

And APU is just a CPU with an iGPU. That is my point of this thread, the performance of the iGPU matters.



The difference high-end memory makes isn't really going to be noticed by "almost everyone". An APU paired with DDR4-2400 is going to satisfy the needs of almost everyone.

Now it really matters with the 2200G and 2400G being out.

 

[newtekie1]

I don't know anyone that would be satisfied with that. But sure, some might be. People that don't play games, usually just get a laptop. Even higher end gaming laptops beats those APU's with ease tho. Intel CPU + mid-end Nvidia GPU blasts them too. For me, an APU is pointless. People are better off buying a good CPU and a low-end dedicated GPU, which can be upgraded. Or laptop + console.
I've tried 2400G and I was not impressed. Sub 30 fps in newer/demanding games on lowest settings at 1080p is kinda bad.. Imagine them in 1-2 years..

Most people. You are still looking at it from a gamer's perspective, most people aren't gamers.

 

[looniam]

as much as i like the idea and do look at iGPU gaming performance from time to time; until intel starts putting out drivers optimized for gaming, what's the point?

 

[eidairaman1]

as much as i like the idea and do look at iGPU gaming performance from time to time; until intel starts putting out drivers optimized for gaming, what's the point?

There are other avenues igps can be rated and tested. Productivity is 1

 

[looniam]

There are other avenues igps can be rated and tested. Productivity is 1

for what? media encoding? its garbage compared to software.

though excuse me as i obviously was addressing the most mentioned reason.

 

[bug]

Already using 3200 CL14 everywhere.


For most (higher-end) CPU reviews the IGP is irrelevant. I do see your point, will look into it for the next full CPU rebench later this year. Definitely not going to have as many titles as for discrete GPU testing. Maybe 5 games or so. Any specific reason for 720p and not 1080p? Lowest possible details in those games?

I'd say go for FHD. At least that way people who talk about "casual gaming" will see where gaming actually stands with IGPs

 

[las]

Most people. You are still looking at it from a gamer's perspective, most people aren't gamers.

No I'm not. Most people arent gamers, so why do they need an APU with better than average onchip GPU solution? Useless for them.