Intel 10th Gen

[Hyderz]

Hey guys i would like to hear your opinions on the 10th Gen Intel Cpu.

Do you think it will be short lived like the 7th Gen Series?
Or it will be a somewhat decent purchase because of the available threads on all the cpus?
Do you think intel will release the next series quickly (new nm) because of lower core counts/higher thermals than amd?

 

[tabascosauz]

Hey guys i would like to your hear opinions on the 10th Gen Intel Cpu.

Do you think it will be short lived like the 7th Gen Series?
Or it will be a somewhat decent purchase because of the available threads on all the cpus?
Do you think intel will release the next series quickly (new nm) because of lower core counts/higher thermals than amd?

The rumors repeatedly suggest that the 11th generation may be socket-compatible with 10th gen Comet Lake, which comprises most of the interest in Comet Lake, it's that uninteresting. All signs point to 11th gen Rocket Lake being on 14nm, but with the big cores of Willow Cove. That doesn't mean Rocket Lake is going to run cool, though.

If Tiger Lake is going the way rumors suggest, Intel may have refined 10nm+ to an acceptable enough position to get something out of it in the subsequent generation.

Lower core counts compared to the competition is not an incentive for Intel to hurry up on 11th gen. By all accounts, Intel is stuck with an 8-core flagship for 11th gen.

I don't know why Comet Lake would ever be a consideration for you. The 9900K runs fine; the 10900K will be a challenge for any ambient cooler, if one wants to make use of Thermal Velocity Boost.

 

[XL-R8R]

I don't know why Comet Lake would ever be a consideration for you. The 9900K runs fine; the 10900K will be a challenge for any ambient cooler, if one wants to make use of Thermal Velocity Boost.

I expect there will be a lot of nice CPU's on "the bay" very shortly; its a good time to pick up a (barely) used 9 series, I think.


However, if youre on a 2/3/4/6/7 series Intel CPU, the 10 series somewhat make sense to upgrade to....





Oh.. and in before the thread turns to general a$$.

 

[ppn]

if youre on 2/3/4/5/6/7 series i3-10100 is 2700->7700, i5-10400 is i7-8700, i7-10700 is i9-9900.
10 series is just a stop gap filler beta test for thinner dies and overdesigned power vrms.
11 12 series would be the willow, ocean cove ddr5 beta test.
the final somewhat finished product is socket 1700 / 7nm, and then keep in mind that 3nm shrinks everything by 300%.
so I would hold my money for 3nm, and stick to 6 threaded or 8 core 8 threads.
10 core as the flagship. only makes sense if you can put it to good use.

 

[XL-R8R]

so I would hold my money for 3nm

At this rate, you'll be saving for the next 10 years.....

 

[Vayra86]

if youre on 2/3/4/5/6/7 series i3-10100 is 2700->7700, i5-10400 is i7-8700, i7-10700 is i9-9900.
10 series is just a stop gap filler beta test for thinner dies and overdesigned power vrms.
11 12 series would be the willow, ocean cove ddr5 beta test.
the final somewhat finished product is socket 1700 / 7nm, and then keep in mind that 3nm shrinks everything by 300%.
so I would hold my money for 3nm, and stick to 6 threaded or 8 core 8 threads.
10 core as the flagship. only makes sense if you can put it to good use.

Man I love your number juggle every time. But...3nm?

7nm is a perfect long-term step forward for now. Lower nodes are not going to come into fruition for the next couple of years, at least not for consumer chips. Also, much of what you see being called 5nm is in fact just a refined 7nm node. EUV kinda makes everything much more flexible that way. I'm kinda missing your rationale for sticking to 8 core CPUs and still waiting for two more shrinks to jump on it, too.

As for Intel's 10th/11th Gen... its good to realise its a higher cost product with presumably a higher chance for degradation than its predecessors (everything is pushed even further to the edge, more volts, more heat, more refined boosting) while the core architecture has not changed. Something's gonna give, and you could already tell it was when Intel moved to solder on 9th gen. I have zero faith in these CPUs not degrading before 5 years age. Sounds nice for high performance parts with ditto price tag...

Note that Zen also boosts very close to the silicon capability, but the general temperature and power usage is much lower, and its on a newer architecture that was designed for it and for the smaller nodes. Its really a no brainer, if you ask me. Zen offers an objectively stronger product all round.

 

[TheLostSwede]

The rumors repeatedly suggest that the 11th generation may be socket-compatible with 10th gen Comet Lake, which comprises most of the interest in Comet Lake, it's that uninteresting. All signs point to 11th gen Rocket Lake being on 14nm, but with the big cores of Willow Cove. That doesn't mean Rocket Lake is going to run cool, though.

11th gen IS socket compatible, so no worries and this is also why so many boards have PCIe 4.0 compatibility now, as the 11th gen CPUs will have PCIe 4.0 support built in. Z490 will be a bit like AMD's B550 in that sense.

7nm is a perfect long-term step forward for now. Lower nodes are not going to come into fruition for the next couple of years, at least not for consumer chips. Also, much of what you see being called 5nm is in fact just a refined 7nm node. EUV kinda makes everything much more flexible that way.

Not sure I agree there, since TSMC is about to start making 5nm parts. However, there's a diminishing returns here as well, since certain parts of a CPU don't have anything to gain from a die shrink, hence why AMD went with chiplets, as the I/O part is really hard to consistently improve as things use smaller and smaller nodes. You might want to call TSMC's 5nm refined 7nm, but it's still much closer to 5nm than Intel is to 7nm today.
EUV still has to prove itself superior to current technologies, as I believe there are still some hurdles to work out before it has been perfected as a manufacturing technology for all kinds of chips, hence why a lot of things are done with partial EUV for now.