My PC Shut down automatically

[Eroticus]

Power-loss error in windows logs and picture from BIOS

Happens to me from yesterday in gaming (BF4) and in full system stability test , if i'm testing only cpu or gpu everything fine , both crash after some mints...

99% the problem is in power supply =P right ?

thanks guys.

 

[dorsetknob]

you have access to another PSU ? to swap to test ?
because its either your PSU or your Domestic Supply from the wall causing problems
If its your domestic Power Supply then your going to have to consider a suitable UPS.

 

[Eroticus]

you have access to another PSU ? to swap to test ?
because its either your PSU or your Domestic Supply from the wall causing problems
If its your domestic Power Supply then your going to have to consider a suitable UPS.

I got some 500w power supply in my HTPC but i don't think this is enough for this one ...

 

[dorsetknob]

Probably not as the power draw for your graphics is high ( i believe they recommend a min 500w supply )

It may be suitable if you have a less powerfull spare graphics card you can temp install
while removing all un nessary hardware

one stick of ram one hd or ssd power for cooling no optical drive ect for testing

 

[Bill_Bright]

I have heard more problems with ASUS Surge Protection than it seems it is worth.

The Corsair AX1200i is a good supply (assuming this is what you are using). That does not mean it could not be bad, but frankly, with all the similar problems so many ASUS board owners are having with the ASUS Surge Protection feature, I would give that a very suspicious eye before I went out and spent good money on another supply.

The concept behind the ASUS Surge Protection is good - to sense power anomalies and shut down the system before damage to the CPU and other components can occur. But that is why you buy a good PSU in the first place! And if you have flakey power in your area, you should be running through a good UPS with AVR. In fact, I recommend all computers be on a good UPS with AVR, but that's for another discussion. Computers should at least be plugged into a decent surge and spike protector if a good UPS is not available.

But there are just too many cases out there where this ASUS exclusive feature appears to be too sensitive - has too low a threshold and is shutting down (intentionally crashing!) systems when it is not needed. When is crashing a system ever good? That is a good way to corrupt your OS, lose important work, or worse.

For sure, if you have another PSU to test with, give it a try because good clean power to your components is critical. But I would consider disabling ASUS Surge Protection too.

 

[OneMoar]

system suddenly hard powering of under load=replace the power supply
./thread
ignore bill he doesn't know what hes talking about -/

 

[GoldenX]

Is the PSU hot if you touch it during gaming?

 

[OneMoar]

Is the PSU hot if you touch it during gaming?

that's not relevant
not 3 months ago I had a HX750 do the same thing hard power off followed by the board displaying the anti-surge warning

REPLACE THE POWER SUPPLY

 

[GoldenX]

It's to know if it is an overload problem, or damage on the PSU.

 

[OneMoar]

It's to know if it is an overload problem, or damage on the PSU.

Hush
when you have a system that has been other-wise stable one day out of the blue start hard-resetting UNDERLOAD its 99.9999999999999% of the time the power supply

 

[GoldenX]

WTF? xD
Yes sir...

On topic, it can't be overload, it must be damage because of the house supply, as he says you have to replace it, but check your electrical installation. It's not funny if it happens again with a new PSU.
Here we have that problem a lot.

 

[OneMoar]

WTF? xD
Yes sir...

On topic, it can't be overload, it must be damage because of the house supply, as he says you have to replace it, but check your electrical installation. It's not funny if it happens again with a new PSU.

the first thing is to replace the power supply - take it out of the equation
failure underload means the power supply is not providing enough power so unless this homes input power is 20V below spec ... thats not the issue
a malfunctioning power supply generally doesn't get hot unless its a cheap pos

digital power supplies have internal diagnostics to prevent catastrophic failure
it would take a surge on the order of a lighting strike or dead short to cause enough damage to actually hurt the system

 

[GoldenX]

You haven't seen my old 450w one, overheating like a Prescott + Nehalem. You could dry your hair with the exaust.

 

[Vayra86]

It is possible to run your system on a 500w PSU for testing purposes even with the current GPU in your system, or if you want to run your current system while waiting for replacement PSU.

First boot into Windows, then into Trixx utility (or any clocking software you have for your GPU) and downclock the GPU so it won't take you over the 500w. Just clock it down manually with the power slider, or force it into a single (low) power state in CCC.

You can also run your AX1200i in another system - add the GPU to that system to increase load and see what happens. The majority of your power consumption is GPU, so that gets it relatively close to the power draw of your main rig.

 

[Bill_Bright]

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ignore bill he doesn't know what hes talking about -/

if a psu is getting Hot then it must already be on fire .... because they don't overheat they catch fire =/

"Already on fire"? "They don't overheat they catch fire"?



And I don't know what I am talking about? Yeah right. What's it tell you about people who join thread to spew personal insults?

A simple Bing Google search will show the ASUS anti-surge protection feature has caused more trouble than it's worth for MANY users.

 

[Vayra86]

s"Already on fire"? "They don't overheat they catch fire"?



And I don't know what I am talking about? Yeah right. What's it tell you about people who join thread to spew personal insults?

A simple Bing Google search will show the ASUS anti-surge protection feature has caused more trouble than it's worth for MANY users.

^ this is true. Anti-surge protection may be the culprit and the presence of a very high end PSU in your system also pushes me in that direction first, even before I would think of swapping out PSU's. You will want to test full load in your current rig as-is with Anti Surge turned off (go in BIOS). If that goes without flaws, try the suggestions I made above to further rule out causes. You can safely trust the ax1200i to have sufficient failsafes by itself without Anti Surge from ASUS.

I wouldn't do anything much with the other suggestions about surge protection, because that is a majestic load of BS. This includes the PSU's that overheat etc - PSU's fail in power delivery, and turn off at high heat levels, it is as simple as that. Since you had a BIOS-based message it is easy to rule that out (MB detected surge, created that message, then shut off PC). Power surge protectors do more harm than good if they have any use at all. It falls into the category of scare-tactics based marketing for me and its a great way to avoid finding the real cause for a power-related problem.

 

[erocker]

I have heard more problems with ASUS Surge Protection than it seems it is worth.

^This is the sole reason I stopped using Asus motherboards.

 

[Bill_Bright]

^This is the sole reason I stopped using Asus motherboards.

I've been using Gigabyte almost exclusively for the last 10 or so years, but I have always (until recently) had ASUS on my recommended list when clients come seeking advice. But no longer and it is because of this feature. I think it is sad too because otherwise, ASUS is typically a brand you can trust.

 

[OneMoar]

when a system goes from stable to not OUT OF THE Blue you have a problem (ops system has been in service for sometime)
if you think that because the psu was expensive it's not prone to random failure you are a idiot
go ahead turn the anti-surge off (and hope the fault is not serious enough to cause damage which it probably isn't )
id bet anything it still shuts down

a hard power off underload is Sufficient to trip the anti-surge warning because of the transient power spike that happens when you suddenly lose all power under load +whatever is wrong with the power supply

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Off topic, ever so slightly but, possibly relevant,

I use an ASUS Rampage ii and recently thought i would turn on the ROG led light block, lovely for about a week, just a little reminder why i turned it off originally,

WELL BUGGER ME...........my internet doesnt drop connection anymore, my wifi card is right next to that led block, dodgy ASUS electrics, i dunno.

Turning off the mobo led reconnected me with the planet..............hard luck world

 

[Bill_Bright]

if you think that because the psu was expensive it's not prone to random failure you are a idiot

NO ONE SAID THAT! To suggest anyone did to try a prove a point is idiocy and a futile attempt to obfuscate the issue. To say PSUs "don't overheat they catch fire" is idiotic!

NO ONE has been so closed minded to suggest the only possible conclusion is the bad anti-static feature either! That would be idiotic too.

a hard power off underload is Sufficient to trip the anti-surge warning because of the transient power spike that happens when you suddenly lose all power under load +whatever is wrong with the power supply

You have concluded the PSU is at fault by failing to suppress extreme transients thus triggering this ASUS feature. And you have concluded this can be the ONLY cause for this system to shutdown. That is but one of many possible causes and it is foolish to ignore other possibilities.

I and several others here are suggesting the ASUS anti-surge feature triggering threshold is too sensitive or too low and it is the anti-surge feature that is telling the PSU to shutdown prematurely. And since there are many reports of this happening by MANY ASUS owners out there, it would be idiotic not to consider it might be happening here too.

And what is ripple but a bunch of transient spikes? The ATX Form Factor allows for a maximum of 50mV p-p on the +3.3VDC and +5VDC rails and 120mV on the +12VDC. These values would be considered lousy by most review standards - yet "ALL" ATX compliant motherboards are expected tolerate transients up to those potentials and therefore should NOT trigger the ASUS anti-surge feature.

There are MANY reports out there where the ASUS anti-surge feature is triggering when there is no evidence any transients of those potentials. To ignore that possibility here would be idiotic.

(edit add: fixed typo)

 

[Vayra86]

when a system goes from stable to not OUT OF THE Blue you have a problem (ops system has been in service for sometime)
if you think that because the psu was expensive it's not prone to random failure you are a idiot
go ahead turn the anti-surge off (and hope the fault is not serious enough to cause damage which it probably isn't )
id bet anything it still shuts down

a hard power off underload is Sufficient to trip the anti-surge warning because of the transient power spike that happens when you suddenly lose all power under load +whatever is wrong with the power supply

I have had hard power off due to a faulty SATA cable. Now you tell me again things are simple as you say they are.

They are not. The only correct conclusion you have made is 'you have a problem'. Very true

It still is bad practice to just start changing components of a build to fix issues without being certain you have the actual cause of the issue. Great way of throwing away money and potentially discarding OK components. Also if you want to claim warranty on a product, it's better to be sure.

 

[Eroticus]

Problem solved -

issues was in fan speed controller or chinese fan from ebay =P strange both items worked over 1 years.

My pc is stable over 2 days,Thanks guys.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Who was 99.99999999999999999999999999 % certain it was the PSU?

 

[Bill_Bright]

Problem solved -

issues was in fan speed controller or chinese fan from ebay =P strange both items worked over 1 years.

Great! And thanks for coming back and posting the solution.

Who was 99.99999999999999999999999999 % certain it was the PSU?

lol

To be fair, I did not suspect the PSU, but I was looking very hard at the ASUS anti-surge feature. I am not sure I ever would have zeroed in on a fan controller - at least not until taking everything out of the case and assembling the computer on a bread board and seeing it work - then determining what was left out.