New Build Help Request

[MentalAcetylide]

For starters, I have basic knowledge when it comes to computers in general, and even less when it comes to buying parts.

PURPOSE: The system I have in mind will be used for both gaming in 1440p(FPS/MMO), rendering(Iray using Daz3D), and productivity(Adobe Photoshop, Substance Painter, etc.). No manual overclocking CPU/GPU wanted, and no exotic liquid cooling.

?CASE: Corsair Obsidian Series 750 D Airflow Edition Full Tower ATX Case. SKU: cc-9011078-ww or something very similar of decent quality that doesn't weigh 50+lbs empty.
CASE FANS: x2 Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140mm Fan (Front Intake), x1 Noctua P14s redux-1200 PWM 64.92 CFM 140mm Fan (Rear Exhaust)
GPUs: 1x RTX 3090(for primary display) + 1x Quadro RTX A6000 *when necessary, both cards will be used together to render a scene faster if scene size requires < or = to 24Gb VRAM total since it must fit on both cards individually.

?CPU: Intel Core i9 - 10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core CPU
?CPU COOLER: ?bequiet! Silent Loop 280mm 94.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (Top Exhaust)(garbage pump, need alternative reliable brand)
?MOTHERBOARD: ??? Need one that will fit both aforementioned GPUs without proximity/thermal issues & doesn't block other slots. Preferably a Z590 with PCIe 4.0.
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Royal DDR4-3200MHz CL16-18-18-38 1.35V 128GB (4x32GB) OR G.Skill Trident Z Royal DDR4-3200MHz CL14-14-14-34 1.35V 128GB (8x16GB) -Motherboard dependent.
OS DRIVE: Seagate Firecuda 520 2TB Performance Internal Solid State Drive SSD PCIe Gen4.
STORAGE: Western Digital Black 6TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Mechanical HD. May add two more later on down the road for more storage.
?PSU: No clue! I've been told that 2x RTX 3090s require at least a 1600-watt PS to maintain system stability, so I don't know about my choice of GPUs. Seems like the few calculators I tried are not acurrate.

PERIPHERALS:
-ASUS ROG Swift PG278QR 27" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor
-Corsair K95 RGB Platinum Wired Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Cherry MX BROWN Switches
-Corsair Harpoon RGB Wireless Optical Mouse
-Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Cert. Computer Speaker System(2 satellite + subwoofer)
*NEED a APC UPS sufficient enough to power down system when power goes out.

That's about it. Right now I'm stuck on the motherboard. Any ideas or see anything else I might have screwed up? Thanks!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The 10900k doesn't support pcie gen 4 so z590 might be a waste and the only option would technically be a downgrade in some areas going with an 11900k to get support. You may want to look at the 5900X/5950X which are both better in most productivity apps and support gen4 pcie as well as 2-3 gen 4 ssd natively. I like the 10900k its very good especially if you can get it for around $460 but it does have some limitations if you require gen4 bandwidth.

No mainstream board has more than 4 dimm slots so that 8x 16GB kit would be a waste of money the best current platform that would support a kit like that is TRX40/Threadripper that starts around $1400 for the cpu and around $500 for a decent mobo and come in 24/32/64 core varients although whether your software could even take advantage of that you'd need to do your research....

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Ok, lets say I opt to go with the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X cpu.
Which motherboard would meet my needs?
Would this RAM be compatible?
Trident Z Royal
DDR4-3200MHz CL14-18-18-38 1.45V
128GB (4x32GB)

F4-3200C14Q-128GTRG-(EOL) - QVL - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

QVL (Qualified Vendor List) for F4-3200C14Q-128GTRG-(EOL). Find compatible motherboard or hardware for this product.

www.gskill.com

 

[oxrufiioxo]

These are the best boards on the QVL for the memory but keep in mind whenever you are maxing out a spec like this ymmv.... You may end up having to run the dimms at a lower speed.

• MEG X570 ACE
• MEG X570 GODLIKE
• MEG X570 UNIFY
• ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
• ROG Crosshair VIII Formula
• ROG Crosshair VIII Hero / ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI)
• ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

The X570 Aorus Master/Extreme should support it as well they both support quite a bit of other 4x64GB kits my guess is this will mostly come down to the IMC on the CPU more so than the board.

Running 128GB of ram on any mainstream system is going to be difficult you are probably much better off going with TRX40 if that is your goal that platform should run much more easily. I'm not aware of anyone on this forum trying to run 4x32 on any mainstream board you may want to wait for someone that has done what you are trying to do to chime in.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Good point!
How about I just go with a 24-core AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X Processor. It has a 3.8 GHz base clock & 4.5 GHz boost(single core). I hope that's still good for gaming. Higher core counts and the base clock starts dropping and gets lower than a snake's ass with the 64-core.

So now I'm back to the question of which motherboard, or rather, which TRX40? I have my eye on MSI's Creator TRX40. At the most, I would add an additional Quadro RTX A6000 later on down the road giving me a total of 1x RTX 3090 + 2x Quadro RTX A6000(SLI or non-SLI depending on rendering software updates).

Which RAM config would be best, 4x32 or 8x16? If I go with 4x32, would I be able to just add 4 more of the same RAM type & size?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You may want to wait for Zen 3 based Threadripper but the 3960X is very solid at gaming and a great overall performer. There is also a 16 core 3955WX if you don't require 24 cores. From what I remember even the 32 core is pretty great at gaming though.

Motherboard wise can't really go wrong with the creator doesn't really have any weaknesses kinda a good middle ground between the entry level boards that are around $400 usd and the flagship that are closer to $900. i really like the zenith extreme 2 Alpha but I can tend to be an asus fanboy....

The 4x32GB would be the better of the two options imo but if you upgrade down the line you'd need to make sure both sets are identical for your best chance at success and just as with 128 with am4 you run the risk of having to lower speed for compatibility..... I'm not familiar enough with trying to max out ram on either platform so just giving you my 2 cents.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

This is what I've come up with at this point. I'm still up in the "air" when it comes to proper cooling & fan orientation. The case I've chosen supports 360mm radiators on the top and front with a 140mm rear exhaust & a 120mm intake on the bottom.

CASE: View 71 Tempered Glass RGB Edition (Thermaltake)
ALL RADIATORS & CASE FANS: Riing Quad 12/14 RGB Radiator Fan TT Premium Edition (Thermaltake)
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1600 T2 -220mm length or Corsair AX 1600i -200mm length
CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X & no manual overclocking
TRX40 MOTHERBOARD: ASUS's ROG Zenith II Extreme or MSI's Creator TRX40
CPU COOLER: Floe DX RGB 360 TT Premium Edition (Thermaltake) (Top Air Exhaust???)
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Royal 128Gb total
Either DDR4-3200MHz CL14-18-18-38 1.45V 128GB (4x32GB) or DDR4-3200MHz CL16-18-18-38 1.35V 128GB (4x32GB). I'm not sure right now which one would pertain to my system since I won't be overclocking the memory or cpu and has more of an aesthetic purpose.

GRAPHICS CARDS:
1x Quadro RTX A6000 and 1x EVGA Kingpin RTX 3090 w/ 360mm radiator(Front Air Intake???)

OS DRIVE: Samsung 980 Pro PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 2Tb
HDD STORAGE DRIVE: WD_Black Performance Desktop Hard Drive, 7200rpm, 6Tb

I tried to maintain some semblance of consistency when it comes to the fans since I want to be able to control their RGB colors/effects using a single software solution(Thermaltake's Neon effects). Even the fans on the Kingpin's 360mm radiator fans(garbage) can be swapped out & have the RGB effects controlled separately with the rest of the case & cpu radiator fans. The RTX 3090 won't be overclocked.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Seems pretty awesome overall..... I probably would ditch the RGB for this type of build but it's your money so have fun if you are into that. Some ML or Noctua NF-A12x25 would outperform the Riing fans by a decent margin.... Can't go wrong with either board...... I have a 980 pro its great 1tb variant... The case is solid but nothing special pretty middling as far as cooling but you are going mostly liquid so that doesn't matter... The absence of a psu shroud is kinda annoying also make sure the rad for the kingpin will actually reach to the front its a pretty long case. Ram I would probably go with the cheaper variant.... Maybe if it was 14-14-14-34 at 1.35v but those timing aren't anything special for 1.45v

I would probably just go with these....

G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-128GTZR - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-128GTZR with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

or these

G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-128GTZN - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-128GTZN with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

or if you think 128GB is plenty for the long term maybe this kit which actually does offer better timings but at a price premium due to it being decently binned bdie

G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 4000 (PC4 32000) Desktop Memory Model F4-4000C18D-64GTZR - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 4000 (PC4 32000) Desktop Memory Model F4-4000C18D-64GTZR with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

 

[Selaya]

The 5950X should run 128GiB of memory just fine. There was another thread with one (or a 3950X) running 4x32 a few weeks ago. Just don't expect to OC it (which you aren't planning on doing anyways), and don't expect awesome frequency/timings on them.

You didn't mention whether you plan on doing 144hz+ because if you are you absolutely have to go with the 5950X (or build 2 separate rigs, one for gaming and one for production) because TRs suck ass at high refresh. The 5950X is as allround as it'll get.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Trident Z RGB I can swing. Aesthetically I would really like the gold Royal series, but its not an absolute must-have if the Trident Z RGB will perform better. Did they ever get the bugs worked out of their rgb control software for the RAM? I'm not interested in having it sync with my other RGB lighting(motherboard, fans, etc.) but rather just being able to change & set the static colors without having to redo it after reboots.
I may have asked this before, but which is better performance-wise: 32Gb x 4 or 16Gb x 8 ? I really don't plan on upgrading to 256Gb RAM any time soon, if at all. If there's no performance difference, I'm perfectly fine with leaving 4 DIMMs empty.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

They should perform about the same assuming identical timings but the 14-14-14-34 kit is gonna have decently lower latency and still only 1.35v when you're spending what you're spending on the overall build I'd just go with the best you can afford.....

Ryzen 5000 is better for gaming but you'd need to run your gpu at x8x8 but next gen Threadripper will destroy it performance wise at both which I still think you should wait for especially if you plan on ending up with 3x gpu at some point if you're able....

 

[MentalAcetylide]

The 5950X should run 128GiB of memory just fine. There was another thread with one (or a 3950X) running 4x32 a few weeks ago. Just don't expect to OC it (which you aren't planning on doing anyways), and don't expect awesome frequency/timings on them.

You didn't mention whether you plan on doing 144hz+ because if you are you absolutely have to go with the 5950X (or build 2 separate rigs, one for gaming and one for production) because TRs suck ass at high refresh. The 5950X is as allround as it'll get.

144Hz at what res? The most I'll be going with is 1440p with the ASUS ROG Swift PG278QR 27" 165Hz. If anything, I'll probably cap the refresh rate at 120Hz since the most graphics-intense 3d game that I play is World of Tanks at this time. Games such as CoD, Battlefield, etc., are probably best played on consoles.

Is there really that big of a difference(without manually overclocking) between the Ryzen 9 5950X(3.4GHz base/4.9GHz boost) and Threadripper 3960X(3.8GHz base/4.5GHz boost)? I would be expecting most of the graphics work to be performed by the graphics card as opposed to the CPU. Granted, if the CPU is too slow(particularly sing-core speeds), then it could be a problem, but I'm not trying to red-line refresh rates or anything to the extreme. Now I'm certain if I went with a higher core count(32 or 64), the base & boost clock speeds start dropping lower than whale shit, but I don't intend to upgrade to one of those any time soon. If I do, rest assured I'll have a separate, and much cheaper, pure gaming rig by then.

Also, I'm not sure I can get a motherboard for the Ryzen 9 5950X that would support a Quadro RTX A6000 & RTX 3090 without there being an issue with room, blocking slots, etc., much less the RAM to support a potential VRAM pool of 72Gb. I'm also aware that SLI in non-workstations is dying fast, if it hasn't already based on the design of many newer motherboards.

They should perform about the same assuming identical timings but the 14-14-14-34 kit is gonna have decently lower latency and still only 1.35v when you're spending what you're spending on the overall build I'd just go with the best you can afford.....

Ryzen 5000 is better for gaming but you'd need to run your gpu at x8x8 but next gen Threadripper will destroy it performance wise at both which I still think you should wait for especially if you plan on ending up with 3x gpu at some point if you're able....

Hmm... The only things I could find on G.Skill's website for 128Gb quad-channel kits w/ RGB that have the same specs(AMD compatible???) are:

F4-3200C14Q2-128GTZR-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Featuring the award-winning Trident Z heatspreader design, the Trident Z RGB memory series combines vivid RGB lighting with awesome DDR4 DRAM performance.

www.gskill.com

and
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/...DR4-3200MHz-CL14-14-14-34-1.35V128GB-(8x16GB)

The only other alternative I found that has 128Gb is a Dual/Quad Channel kit that has a higher tested latency:

F4-3200C14Q-128GTRG-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

I'm beginning to wonder if they even have a 128Gb kit that is compatible with AMD TR since I turn up only 8Gb sticks when I search for stuff that is specifically for AMD . I must be missing something in the nomenclature.

 

[claes]

Your PC is gonna be hot and loud with that case

 

[oxrufiioxo]

All of those kits should run without issues. As long as you stick with the asus or msi board.

On the ram product page just click qvl and then trx40 and it will tell you compatible motherboards.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Your PC is gonna be hot and loud with that case

I understand where you're coming from with all the glass, but its not that bad. It actually cools better than what you would think. Is it the most ideal case solution for achieving the lowest possible ambient temps inside of the case? Certainly not, but I want some aesthetic touches(yeah, vanity ) to the build. I think it should be fine when it comes to heat given how the RTX 3090 & CPU will be cooled. The greatest amount of heat that will be generated will occur when I run both 3090 & RTX A6000 together for infrequently short amounts of time to speed up Iray preview renders or test renders. Plus the room will have its own air conditioning at some point.
As for noise, its unavoidable given what I want in the rig. However, I don't think its going to beat my 17" Alienware laptop from 2013 when it comes to noise. It must get up to over 50 decibles when the fans run.

 

[claes]

Fair enough, and sorry for being flippant before

If I might suggest, if you want bling, the PC-011D is another glass case with better airflow, but whatever floats your boat!

 

[thesmokingman]

I'm beginning to wonder if they even have a 128Gb kit that is compatible with AMD TR since I turn up only 8Gb sticks when I search for stuff that is specifically for AMD . I must be missing something in the nomenclature.

Threadripper uses the same memory. The max I could get out of a 3970x at 128gb density was 3400mhz fyi with gskil b-dies 3600c16 (16-16-16) kit. For most ppl a 5950x is more than enough. If you're doing real production work then a TR3 setup might be worth it if you've got the billables to support it because the cost go up 2x-3x depending on what drive support system you need.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

I'm trying to figure out an airflow solution(no manual overclocking) for either

Core V71 Tempered Glass Edition

E-ATX full-tower chassis with a tempered glass window and three preinstalled fans. PCI-e riser cable is optional.

www.thermaltakeusa.com

or

View 71 Tempered Glass Edition

E-ATX full-tower chassis with four tempered glass windows and two preinstalled 140mm Riing Blue fans.

www.thermaltakeusa.com

The previously mentioned RTX Kingpin 3090 has a 360mm radiator, and the CPU will have an AIO liquid cooler(unsure if 120, 240, 280, or 360mm). The fans for the front of the case I plan on having 3x120mm and a 120 or 140mm for the rear.
What I'm proposing is:
3090's radiator mounted in the top exhausting air + 120mm radiator AIO liquid cooler for CPU mounted in back exhausting air.
3x 120mm front case fans for air intake + bottom 120mm fan air intake
*Max PSU clearance 220mm using only 1 bottom fan

Not sure how practical the above proposal is, but the idea is that more heat will, overall, be going out of the case with more cool air going into it.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X
ROG Zenith II Extreme(AMD TRX40)
EVGA SuperNOVA 1600T2 or Corsair AX1600i

 

[claes]

Just my opinion, but I think your expectations are a little unrealistic. Neither of these cases are good for airflow, and you’re talking about cooling two 300W+ parts, one with a 120mm AIO, all in restrictive cases with poor airflow (and a possible second GPU to boot!).

I know you suggest the airflow is not as bad as I would think, but I’d encourage you to do some more research — it really is, and your build is going to be way hotter than most (not just at stock, but even if undervolted). There are much better cases out there that offer better airflow while still showcasing glass and RGB. I’d check out gamersnexus for some reviews.

If you really don’t care, I’d get the core case and at least a 280mm AIO or a dual-tower for the CPU. I’d probably mount the CPU AIO in front and the GPU on the top.

 

[Why_Me]

LANCOOL II Mesh RGB - Ultimate Airflow Chassis

With the mesh front, LANCOOL II MESH making great airflow in the chasis, Packing three ARGB PWM 120mm fans effectively cooling the component in user's PC build and able to control by the botton on the I/O port. 9 drive mounting space and supports 384mm maximum GPU length and 176mm maximum hight...

lian-li.com

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Just my opinion, but I think your expectations are a little unrealistic. Neither of these cases are good for airflow, and you’re talking about cooling two 300W+ parts, one with a 120mm AIO, all in restrictive cases with poor airflow (and a possible second GPU to boot!).

I know you suggest the airflow is not as bad as I would think, but I’d encourage you to do some more research — it really is, and your build is going to be way hotter than most (not just at stock, but even if undervolted). There are much better cases out there that offer better airflow while still showcasing glass and RGB. I’d check out gamersnexus for some reviews.

If you really don’t care, I’d get the core case and at least a 280mm AIO or a dual-tower for the CPU. I’d probably mount the CPU AIO in front and the GPU on the top.

Phanteks Innovative Computer Hardware Design

www.phanteks.com

That looks like another good one, but I'll probably end up having to mount a 360mm radiator for the cpu cooler in the front as an intake.

LANCOOL II Mesh RGB - Ultimate Airflow Chassis

With the mesh front, LANCOOL II MESH making great airflow in the chasis, Packing three ARGB PWM 120mm fans effectively cooling the component in user's PC build and able to control by the botton on the I/O port. 9 drive mounting space and supports 384mm maximum GPU length and 176mm maximum hight...

lian-li.com

PSU = 210mm max, won't work. I want to have at least 220mm clearance.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Have you looked into the 011 XL?

PC-O11D XL - E-ATX ,ATX Full To wer Gaming Computer Case

Bigger in every way a mighy powerful chassis. Modular design flexiblity for any configuration. Hot swappable drives.spacious for multiple and bigger components.Seamlessly supporting E-ATX motherboards.RGB lighting sync front panel addressable RGB. Tempered Glass on the Front, and Left Side...

lian-li.com

Meets your psu size requirements and when properly configured provides excellent airflow/cooling.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Have you looked into the 011 XL?

PC-O11D XL - E-ATX ,ATX Full To wer Gaming Computer Case

Bigger in every way a mighy powerful chassis. Modular design flexiblity for any configuration. Hot swappable drives.spacious for multiple and bigger components.Seamlessly supporting E-ATX motherboards.RGB lighting sync front panel addressable RGB. Tempered Glass on the Front, and Left Side...

lian-li.com

Meets your psu size requirements and when properly configured provides excellent airflow/cooling.

That was one of the first cases I looked at because its light.

Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL Review

The Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL is the next chassis in collaboration with Der8auer and represents a larger variant of the original O11 Dynamic not only allowing for more storage and cooling but also the change to sprinkle in a slew of functional and cosmetic additions.

www.techpowerup.com

PSU: 210mm

So unless I can be guaranteed(unlikely) that I'll get my hands on a 1600watt Corsair PSU(200mm), its off the table. Plus there are consistent negative reviews on that particular PSU regarding the cable quality.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

PSU: 210mm

So unless I can be guaranteed(unlikely) that I'll get my hands on a 1600watt Corsair PSU(200mm), its off the table. Plus there are consistent negative reviews on that particular PSU regarding the cable quality.

If you look at the actual manufacturers spec page this is what it says

PSU	220 mm (max 280mm)

Not sure why TPU has it listed as 210...... Maybe it's a copy and paste from the smaller variant. But even it can support a larger psu than 210mm



Even the standard version supports a larger than 210mm if you look at the manufacturers spec page.....

PSU	2，(L)210mm~255mm(max)

Oh you can't use the metal bracket for anything longer than 220mm on the XL or 210mm on the standard with it removed its 255mm and 280mm.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

If you look at the actual manufacturers spec page this is what it says

PSU	220 mm (max 280mm)

Not sure why TPU has it listed as 210...... Maybe it's a copy and paste from the smaller variant. But even it can support a larger psu than 210mm



Even the standard version supports a larger than 210mm if you look at the manufacturers spec page.....

PSU	2，(L)210mm~255mm(max)

Oh you can't use the metal bracket..... Which to me is a non issue it doesn't do a whole lot anyway.

Its a stupid nomenclature Lian Li is using for the product line that is easily confused when searching for reviews on it. The one you referred to is an pc-011d-rog while the other is the non-rog certified product. If the specs are correct on Lian Li's website, then I would gladly use that case over the View 71.
I'll have to figure out where I can put the radiators depending on how much length I have to play with between the radiators & the GPU/CPU. I might have to put the 360mm CPU radiator on the top(exhaust) and the 360mm GPU radiator on the bottom(intake) + 3x 120mm fans on the side(intake) and 1x 120mm fan on the back(exhaust). Sound good?