New system advise needed

[Onyx Turbine]

i am looking to build a new system but painstakingly doubt between amd or intel as new chipsets are around the corner.
It's purpose is normal office work (no stat calculations or cpu heavy) but also gaming (1440P med-high settings 75fps),
the thing where i struggle with is not being al to eager in to stepping in the amd platform e.g. a 5600 ish as i think their idle is to high compared to intel.

I'm looking to pair the cpu with a 4060, what can you advise? Having energy efficiency in mind (low idle), btw in case only fits mini itx mainboard or smaller..
happy with also a good mb advise, budget is tight say 750 dollar as the case and psu (560watt plat) are already bought

 

[bonehead123]

lookie here:

https://pcpartpicker.com

There you can select and make a list of whatever parts you want, check for compatibility, and see some of the current prices from various vendors...

Build a rig the way that you think will best meet your needs, then adjust accordingly to meet your budget (or the other way around too)..and then print/save the list so you can go shopping......all without having to commit to buying anything until you are ready to proceed

 

[Onyx Turbine]

5500 or 13100f?

 

[phanbuey]

7600 - AM5 will take future AMD CPUs - intel is on dead socket.

If you're going to upgrade next round... If you're going to hang to the chip till it dies than a i5 will probably be better.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

7600 - AM5 will take future AMD CPUs - intel is on dead socket.

what you mean if i take 5500 i can carry it over or? better wait for new socket incl. cpu that fits on it?

 

[phanbuey]

what you mean if i take 5500 i can carry it over or? better wait for new socket incl. cpu that fits on it?

If your choice is between AM4 and Intel - then intel... if you can swing AM5 on a 7600 then that would be the way I would go, personally.

Intel builds are rock solid, but they are on a dead chipset, so your future CPU upgrades are limited. Intel's next socket is going to be out next year but it will be $$$ to start, so you're a year or so away from good budget meteor lakes.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

If your choice is between AM4 and Intel - then intel... if you can swing AM5 on a 7600 then that would be the way I would go, personally.

Intel builds are rock solid, but they are on a dead chipset, so your future CPU upgrades are limited.

ok you suggest a 7600, my worry with this chip is it has a relative high idle power consumption?

 

[phanbuey]

ok you suggest a 7600, my worry with this chip is it has a relative high idle power consumption?

it's 20W at idle - basically the same as current intel chips on "high performance power plan" - and still less than the chip you're currently running so It's not high at all. It's higher than intel's 9W on balanced power plan, but an extra 10W is a rounding error on desktop at best.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

it's 20W at idle - basically the same as current intel chips on "high performance power plan" - and still less than the chip you're currently running so It's not high at all. It's higher than intel's 9W, but an extra 10W is a rounding error on desktop at best.

really appreciate this advise i also find 10 watts acceptable, with knowing that when gaming the cpu is maybe saving some watts due to amd efficiency.
What is regarding m y energy situation a solid gpu to hook with 4060?

 

[phanbuey]

really appreciate this advise i also find 10 watts acceptable, with knowing that when gaming the cpu is maybe saving some watts due to amd efficiency.
What is regarding m y energy situation a solid gpu to hook with 4060?

They're all kind of the same tbh - I like to stay away from gigabyte cards because their fans have burned out on me (several times) and they still have the same design... Zotac and MSI tend to be the best pricing so I just pick up whichever one is the cheapest.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

ok you suggest a 7600, my worry with this chip is it has a relative high idle power consumption?

Intel 12600KF has 3.58 W idle power consumption. It's very power efficient.

I am also seeing great performance in the most important benchmarks:

PCMark 10 - Intel Core i5-12600KF: 8572

Gaming performance 12600KF for 1080p max settings:

https://cdn.eteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Overall-Average-FPS-880x495.jpg

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The most important result for gamers is the 1% Low stat and the Intel 12600KF outperforms the AMD R5 7600X in this eTeknix test.
For 1440p, the differences between CPU's decrease. For 4k gaming, the Intel 12600KF is (almost) exactly the same experience as the i9-14900K.

Intel 12600KF is the best price/performance CPU right now for most users.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

Intel 12600KF has 3.58 W idle power consumption. It's very power efficient.

I am also seeing great performance in the most important benchmarks:

PCMark 10 - Intel Core i5-12600KF: 8572

Gaming performance 12600KF for 1080p max settings:

https://cdn.eteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Overall-Average-FPS-880x495.jpg

Total War: PHARAOH: PC Performance Benchmarks for Graphics Cards and Processors | RTS / Strategy | GPU TEST

We tested Total War: PHARAOH at the highest graphics settings, on video cards from the GEFORCE RTX and RADEON RX series. Also, during the tests we conducted, we assessed the performance and quality

gamegpu.tech

Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3: PC Performance Benchmarks for Graphics Cards and Processors | Action / FPS / TPS | GPU TEST

We tested the release version of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 at the highest graphics settings, on video cards from the GEFORCE RTX and RADEON RX series. Also, during the tests we conducted, we as

gamegpu.tech

The most important result for gamers is the 1% Low stat and the Intel 12600KF outperforms the AMD R5 7600X in this eTeknix test.
For 1440p, the differences between CPU's decrease. For 4k gaming, the Intel 12600KF is (almost) exactly the same experience as the i9-14900K.

Intel 12600KF is the best price/performance CPU right now for most users.

that is brilliant advise, very well tailored to my needs.

I was aware of that chip low idle but found its tdp125 possibly to high but the specific strength in 1440p is a nice find which i did not looked at,
this interest me to see how a 13400 compares or a 13500
Anything higher than a 12400f has gone up considerably in price here in germany

 

[dgianstefani]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/whYV4M

Yes, you could go cheaper, but this is a good case, a very good CPU now (upgradability of AM5 doesn't matter, by time you run out of CPU performance, the motherboard will have limitations too, going up in CPU by what, 20-30% of two generations? won't make a difference), a future proof PSU and reliable storage.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/whYV4M

Yes, you could go cheaper, but this is a good case, a very good CPU now (upgradability of AM5 doesn't matter, by time you run out of CPU performance, the motherboard will have limitations too, going up in CPU by what, 20-30% of two generations? won't make a difference), a future proof PSU and reliable storage.

Its way above my budget but agree is good chip and agree that am5 safe step should not be overrated

 

[HD64G]

My opinion is Ryzen 5 7600 and am5 all the way if you are sensible in spending logn-term to keep your pc up-to-date.

 

[dgianstefani]

Its way above my budget but agree is good chip and agree that am5 safe step should not be overrated

Then save more.

$1k build is about the minimum that makes sense these days.

Anything else and you're buying old parts.

Other thing I would suggest is simply replacing your GPU with a 4070, and leave the rest as is for now.

My opinion is Ryzen 5 7600 and am5 all the way if you are sensible in spending logn-term to keep your pc up-to-date.

Six core CPU is not a smart choice when you can buy a 14 core for the same money, and the six P cores are as fast.

 

[HD64G]

Then save more.

$1k build is about the minimum that makes sense these days.

Anything else and you're buying old parts.

Other thing I would suggest is simply replacing your GPU with a 4070, and leave the rest as is for now.


Six core CPU is not a smart choice when you can buy a 14 core for the same money, and the six P cores are as fast.

I beg to differ. 6 so fast cores are more than enough when you work on a budget. And imho E-cores are mostly useless for real work on desktop PCs, only made to get higher benchmark scores in reviews and show off its supposedly great efficiency of points/W in cinebench.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

Then save more.

$1k build is about the minimum that makes sense these days.

Anything else and you're buying old parts.

Other thing I would suggest is simply replacing your GPU with a 4070, and leave the rest as is for now.


Six core CPU is not a smart choice when you can buy a 14 core for the same money, and the six P cores are as fast.

Agree 4070 is a more value card giving some mid term safety but its price...

I beg to differ. 6 so fast cores are more than enough when you work on a budget. And imho E-cores are mostly useless for real work on desktop PCs, only made to get higher benchmark scores in reviews and show off its supposedly great efficiency of points/W in cinebench.

look at this chart this is why a 12100 is not out of my mind yet

 

[HD64G]

Agreed that 12100s are the best value CPUs for low-budget systems. But for a PC that needs to live long, it isn't a good choice.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

Agreed that 12100s are the best value CPUs for low-budget systems. But for a PC that needs to live long, it isn't a good choice.

yes and thats why a 12400f is maybe gonna do the job and try to ride it out as long as possible, think it will be an interesting journey

I beg to differ. 6 so fast cores are more than enough when you work on a budget. And imho E-cores are mostly useless for real work on desktop PCs, only made to get higher benchmark scores in reviews and show off its supposedly great efficiency of points/W in cinebench.

to add also in a lower price cpu bracket its worth looking if stock cooler is any good, this can save a bit of money and later let you install a better one if needed at all