PC not booting first boot

[Finesto]

First boot, CPU & RAM led turned on, min later both of those colors went gone, green boot color turned on but bios turned on aswell.
I thought I was fine, so i went & clocked my ddr5 ram from default to 6400 which is what its capable of.

exited the bios & nothing, void.. restarted, cpu & ram led turned on again & nothing. Tried F11 & dell but doesnt wanna go into bios anymore, also the led stays on (no display though)
fans, VRM fan, aio & GPU are both running

any idea?

 

[Zach_01]

Hi

We need the full details of the system.
In your profile there is a section of "System Specs" and the option
"Show System Specs" = Yes

 

[brutalame]

Reset your bios.

 

[Finesto]

Hi

We need the full details of the system.
In your profile there is a section of "System Specs" and the option
"Show System Specs" = Yes

Done

 

[Launcestonian]

Is that RAM kit on the support list for your board?

 

[Finesto]

Is that RAM kit on the support list for your board?

I believe it did cant recall, also used pcpartpicker

Is that RAM kit on the support list for your board?

On the pangoly site it says it is and on the msi site it says “supports ddr5 memory” does it sound like a ram issue, did boot to bios prior

Reset your bios.

I dont have that jumper cap my manual says i need

 

[Zach_01]

Is your DRAM kit on the QVL list of the board?

You will have to know the kit part number to search it.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B650-TOMAHAWK-WIFI/support#mem

I dont have that jumper cap my manual says i need

You can clear/reset CMOS
First turn off PSU and unplug it from board

1. with a jumper to clear CMOS pins
2. with any metal object like a flat screwdriver (with extra care) to the same pins for a couple of seconds
3. Take off board battery for a a few minutes (5-10 maybe)

If any of these won't work then a BIOS re-flash to the latest version is in order.

You need a flash drive to FAT32 format and plugged to the red USB port that says "Flash BIOS" on the side with the BIOS file into that drive named MSI.ROM

From the manual:
Updating BIOS with Flash BIOS Button
1. Please download the latest BIOS file that matches your motherboard model from the MSI® website
2. Rename the BIOS file to MSI.ROM, and save it to the root of the USB storage device.
3. Connect the power supply to CPU_PWR1 and ATX_PWR1. (No need to install CPU and memory.)
4. Plug the USB storage device that contains the MSI.ROM file into the Flash BIOS Port on the rear I/O panel.
5. Press the Flash BIOS Button to flash BIOS, and the LED starts flashing.
6. The LED will be turned off when the process is completed.

This may take like 5 minutes or maybe more

 

[JWNoctis]

Same board and CPU here. Are both the display and the cable good? Try plugging it into motherboard if it was on graphic card and vice-versa? Check whichever input the display is feeding off of, if it had multiple? Failing that, do the BIOS reset procedure as @Zach_01 provided above.

 

[Lost_Troll]

When you change the ram speed to expo and reboot, it will take time for the system to come back, like a minute or two. The system doses some sort of timing analysis with the ram. Building my first AMD system with a 7500F, I ran into this and found it to be nerve racking.

 

[Ruru]

Is that RAM kit on the support list for your board?

The QVL list is a list of TESTED working memory modules for a motherboard, not a "support list".

 

[AleXXX666]

The QVL list is a list of TESTED working memory modules for a motherboard, not a "support list".

still, chances are way better if RAM is in QVL list.

 

[Finesto]

Is your DRAM kit on the QVL list of the board?

You will have to know the kit part number to search it.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B650-TOMAHAWK-WIFI/support#mem

My ram code is CMK64GX5M2B6400C32, doesnt seem to be on the list. NGL i did end up reading about ram incompatibility issues but my MOBO said "supports ddr5 memory" so i kinda assumed i was good (I had already bought the ram at this point).

Well it did first boot automatically into bios though (the error dram/cpu led on the mobo were on but went away).. I also gotta admit, my bios only said "xmp", & there wasnt any prefixed "expo" button, i did put my dram to 6400 mHZ.

Is changing the mHZ what caused this to happen, or was this bound to happen?
Should I still try to reset the bios, will that fix this, or should I get a new DRAM?

Same board and CPU here. Are both the display and the cable good? Try plugging it into motherboard if it was on graphic card and vice-versa? Check whichever input the display is feeding off of, if it had multiple? Failing that, do the BIOS reset procedure as @Zach_01 provided above.

I checked cables yesterday yeah & also tried switching the ports.

When you change the ram speed to expo and reboot, it will take time for the system to come back, like a minute or two. The system doses some sort of timing analysis with the ram. Building my first AMD system with a 7500F, I ran into this and found it to be nerve racking.

I did wait like 5-10 minutes inbetween.

 

[Zach_01]

Is changing the mHZ what caused this to happen, or was this bound to happen?
Should I still try to reset the bios, will that fix this, or should I get a new DRAM?

No one really can tell what caused it to be unresponsive.
I used to get a lot of this the first 6months (2019) of my system when I was playing around with memory settings.
Some times a simple ClearCMOS was bringing it back up, sometimes needed reflash with flash button.

Yeah should try to reset BIOS (clearCMOS) and maybe start with 6000 and see if it can boot up properly.

I think before deciding getting another RAM should give this a chance with maybe some settings tweaking.

 

[Finesto]

You can clear/reset CMOS
First turn off PSU and unplug it from board

1. with a jumper to clear CMOS pins
2. with any metal object like a flat screwdriver (with extra care) to the same pins for a couple of seconds
3. Take off board battery for a a few minutes (5-10 maybe)

If any of these won't work then a BIOS re-flash to the latest version is in order.

You need a flash drive to FAT32 format and plugged to the red USB port that says "Flash BIOS" on the side with the BIOS file into that drive named MSI.ROM

From the manual:
Updating BIOS with Flash BIOS Button
1. Please download the latest BIOS file that matches your motherboard model from the MSI® website
2. Rename the BIOS file to MSI.ROM, and save it to the root of the USB storage device.
3. Connect the power supply to CPU_PWR1 and ATX_PWR1. (No need to install CPU and memory.)
4. Plug the USB storage device that contains the MSI.ROM file into the Flash BIOS Port on the rear I/O panel.
5. Press the Flash BIOS Button to flash BIOS, and the LED starts flashing.
6. The LED will be turned off when the process is completed.

This may take like 5 minutes or maybe more

I shorted the CMOS with the screwdriver for like 30 seconds, also removed the battery for like 10 minutes.
Booted, cpu & dram leds went away eventually, still black screen.

Then I did your instructions, usb in, clicked flash bios, waited for it to finish, restarted on its own, still nothing (but no led was on at this time, not even boot, so iknew it was different).
Put HDMI in mobo instead of graphics card, force restart pc, clicking del & now I got that sweet bios screen again I was so desperately looking for lol.

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Whilst I had (have) over 5-10 tutorials open, I'd rather you tell me now what my next steps would be lol, do I have to stay in BIOS & put in a windows11 usb flash drive? I'm all ears.

thankyou for your time btw (& the rest of you)

I kinda only see XMP related things in the bios btw, should I still go for another dram if i can? I still can return it without charge.

 

[Deleted member 223428]

I kinda only see XMP related things in the bios btw, should I still go for another dram if i can? I still can return it without charge.

Yes. 6400MT/s RAM isn't a good choice for AM5 unless you're specifically buying it for the 'fun' of overclocking.

Look for a set of 6000 CL30.

For non-RGB, G.Skill has their Flare X5 series:

Amazon.com

Corsair like your current set:

Amazon.com

 

[Finesto]

I'm going to put this on halt though unfortunately, the NZXT C1200 w coil whine is extremely loud, to a point where you want to put the fans to 100% just to mask it.
Whilst i'm doing that i'll be switching out the ram.

maybe a quick confirm, I restarted & went back into BIOS so i assume i have to windows 11 flash drive it now? Apart from that this may be closed, if something goes wrong I can always open a new thread.

 

[Lost_Troll]

Put HDMI in mobo instead of graphics card, force restart pc, clicking del & now I got that sweet bios screen again I was so desperately looking for lol.

Yea, it is a known issue that sometimes the video out will default to the integrated graphics in the CPU even with a dedicated GPU, so some people will disable it when they are setting up the systems BIOS.

Yes. 6400MT/s RAM isn't a good choice for AM5 unless you're specifically buying it for the 'fun' of overclocking.

Look for a set of 6000 CL30.

Agreed, and saw this when I was looking into build info for the 7500F I just built. Some get lucky with 6400MHz and more with 6200MHz, but 100% guaranteed with 6000MHz ram.

I bought this kit form Amazon, Team Group T-Create 6000 CL30, it is EXPO ready and can be delivered next day as well.

 

[Deleted member 223428]

I bought this kit form Amazon, Team Group T-Create 6000 CL30, it is EXPO ready and can be delivered next day as well.

For sure, the Team Group is my go-to for a 32GB kit, looks great, good timings, and a bargain as well. I listed the other two as the OP has a 64GB kit currently.

 

[Launcestonian]

The QVL list is a list of TESTED working memory modules for a motherboard, not a "support list".

Depends on the manufacture. Gigabyte for example don't use the acronym "QVL" anymore, its known as support list for any given component as evidenced here for this product.
On the other hand, Asrock use QVL as evidenced here for this product.
Asus also do not use the acronym QVL for this product either

So, at the end of the day & semantics aside, it is wholly dependant on terminology the manufacturer chooses to use. But anyone with a logical mind will work it out as to what is shown to work on any given product weather or not QVL or Support is used in naming schemes.