Photoshop Single Thread Monster Build: Your advice

[stevef22]

Hi all, glad to be here.

Built a i9-10900F system. 32GB 3200 ram. Samsung 970 Evo 1tb. ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. PRIME B460-PLUS Mobo

Photshop starts in a dismal 15 seconds from click to fully loaded.

Can you guys reccomened a new build under 2k USD for single threaded, snappy as hell performace? I use office apps, photoshop, illustrator. No games. Willing do do a light - med overclock that is stable using a single water block cooler. Nothign too crazy, but also doesnt have to be stock.

Must I use a AMD for platform to get super snappy results? https://www.pugetsystems.com/recomm...-Adobe-Photoshop-139/Hardware-Recommendations


Im willing to do non conventional build such as a older dual zeon etc to get massive single thread performance.



Thank you

 

[Toothless]

I almost feel like this is a troll. Are you really tilted about something taking 15 seconds to load? Besides your board that won't allow for any kind of overclocking that you can change there is nothing you can do. You basically have the best single core performance already.

Edit: F chip, not KF. Can't overclock that but it'll boost itself already. Going to a dual core or whatever is just going to hurt your performance. You can have a 6ghz dual and still be worse off.

 

[stevef22]

I almost feel like this is a troll. Are you really tilted about something taking 15 seconds to load? Besides your board that won't allow for any kind of overclocking that you can change there is nothing you can do. You basically have the best single core performance already.

Edit: F chip, not KF. Can't overclock that but it'll boost itself already. Going to a dual core or whatever is just going to hurt your performance. You can have a 6ghz dual and still be worse off.

No troll. Just comparing to my i5 5th generation that loads photo shop in 16 seconds.

There has to be a combo under 2k that loads PS in 1-2 sec.....

Or is PS just a slow to open app?

 

[Toothless]

Photoshop takes a hot second to load. Getting a faster SSD might help for like, two seconds.

 

[stevef22]

I understand the F chip cannot be overclocked but removing the power limit will essentially make it as fast or faster than the K variant.

I have tried this on my board and had no success. I believe I need a 470 board

 

[tabascosauz]

Photshop starts in a dismal 15 seconds from click to fully loaded.

Im willing to do non conventional build such as a older dual zeon etc to get massive single thread performance

Thank you

Xeons will get you nowhere on single thread performance lmao unless you take a W-3175X to 6GHz.

Not sure how giant your .psd files are. Mine are regularly in the 50-300MB range, and always loads in about 7-8 seconds on 3700X. Though admittedly, I don't usually use a whole lot of layers.

I see a couple of issues that can be addressed without spending $2000:

• Your board is not Z490, and strictly forces your CPU to stick to its long term PL1 limit of 65W, although PS is so heavily single-threaded this shouldn't really make a huge issue. However, if you do any rendering, your multi core performance is suffering to the point where you may as well have just gotten a 10700K.
• Your 3200 RAM is useless. Chances are it's running at its default 2133/2400/2666 JEDEC profile, because B-series boards enforce a limit of 2933 for your CPU. Making your 3200 XMP profile utterly useless.
• How full is your drive?

Aside from the RAM issue (which should be fixed by either opting for a 2933 kit, or getting a Z490 board), 15 seconds just sounds like you've butchered your Windows installation or filled up your disk to the point where any CPU would be slow in that position.

Because removing the PL1 65W limit via Z490 board won't help single threaded performance at all, period.

You're seriously dreaming if you think you're loading a large .psd in 2 seconds starting from PS not being open.

 

[stevef22]

Xeons will get you nowhere on single thread performance lmao unless you take a W-3175X to 6GHz.

Not sure how giant your .psd files are. Mine are regularly in the 50-300MB range, and always loads in about 7-8 seconds on 3700X. Though admittedly, I don't usually use a whole lot of layers.

I see a couple of issues that can be addressed without spending $2000:

• Your board is not Z490, and strictly forces your CPU to stick to its long term PL1 limit of 65W, although PS is so heavily single-threaded this shouldn't really make a huge issue. However, if you do any rendering, your multi core performance is suffering to the point where you may as well have just gotten a 10700K.
• Your 3200 RAM is useless. Chances are it's running at its default 2133/2400/2666 JEDEC profile, because B-series boards enforce a limit of 2933 for your CPU. Making your 3200 XMP profile utterly useless.
• How full is your drive?

Aside from the RAM issue (which should be fixed by either opting for a 2933 kit, or getting a Z490 board), 15 seconds just sounds like you've butchered your Windows installation or filled up your disk to the point where any CPU would be slow in that position.

Because removing the PL1 65W limit via Z490 board won't help single threaded performance at all, period.

You're seriously dreaming if you think you're loading a large .psd in 2 seconds starting from PS not being open.

Thank you for this detailed reply.

It’s a fresh new install made from a USB drive from windows website. Windows 10 professional.

You’re absolutely correct about the ram. When I checked in the bios it is throttled down. Why even have an XMP option on the motherboard?

The drive is not full. Literally fresh load plus PS

One can always dream. There has to be a way. Maybe a different motherboard.

“Because removing the PL1 65W limit via Z490 board won't help single threaded performance at all, period.”

why?

 

[Toothless]

Thank you for this detailed reply.

It’s a fresh new install made from a USB drive from windows website. Windows 10 professional.

You’re absolutely correct about the ram. When I checked in the bios it is throttled down. Why even have an XMP option on the motherboard?

The drive is full. Literally fresh load plus PS

One can always dream. There has to be a way. Maybe a different motherboard.

“Because removing the PL1 65W limit via Z490 board won't help single threaded performance at all, period.”

why?

The chip doesn't need a whole lot of power for a single thread to go to the max. Now if you needed ALL threads at max then that's a different story.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Maybe just play with settings of Photoshop will make load more faster than purchase of new hardware?

 

[tabascosauz]

Thank you for this detailed reply.

It’s a fresh new install made from a USB drive from windows website. Windows 10 professional.

You’re absolutely correct about the ram. When I checked in the bios it is throttled down. Why even have an XMP option on the motherboard?

The drive is full. Literally fresh load plus PS

One can always dream. There has to be a way. Maybe a different motherboard.

“Because removing the PL1 65W limit via Z490 board won't help single threaded performance at all, period.”

why?

The RAM is just a limitation of any new Intel board that isn't Z-series. I remember back when Intel made less pointless, idiotic segmentations like this, but I'm not the one who made that decision. If you know a thing or two about memory overclocking, you can just as easily tweak a couple things to make it run at 2933 with some better timings, but it sounds like you've got your hands full on things you can look to do already.

If the drive is full, I think you already have your answer. Get a bigger NVMe drive. Having a full drive (>80% filled) will torpedo the performance of just about any application, on any platform, on any drive, on any hardware.

Honestly, either you've found some tiny 128GB NVMe drive, or your "fresh load" contains a lot of stuff to fill up a 250GB drive. 1TB NVMes are a dime a dozen and not that expensive. A board or RAM upgrade would be around that price point anyway.

We've given you a couple of easily achievable suggestions. Solid budget Z490 board, [or] a 2933 kit if you stick with your board, and a bigger drive. If you want to sit around dreaming about 2 second startups, you can keep doing that, or you can take some of the easy suggestions to improve what you have for a little bit of money.

 

[micropage7]

what kind of photoshop that you use? how many fonts and add ons
have you checked the background process
photoshop needs more RAM than fast processor only
16 or 32 GB should be ok for that

 

[W1zzard]

I get roughly 15 seconds startuptime on Photoshop too. It's gotten A LOT longer when I upgraded to Photoshop 2020

 

[TumbleGeorge]

This is one of many guides to make Photoshop faster include more fast start-up. Yes there is advices for second SSD for scratch also and RAMdisk but this is not for startup but for fast working with files. Some of advices is good for fast startup. When set to disable load of home screen and some others. But better than everything is just not to stop Photoshop. Leave loaded as background process. Modern computers are so productive that they would not interfere in this situation with other programs or entertainment. An additional option is to set it to run in the background with Windows if the computer shuts down for any reason.

 

[heinztvoert]

OK just out of curiosity, I timed my load time for PS 2021 on my system. I have a Ryzen 7 3800x on an MSI X570 tomahawk, 32 Gb of memory and running PS from an M2 drive. It still took 15.36 seconds to load.

I honestly think you cant get more performance. PS is a heavy program - just look at all the add-ons, etc it loads.

LR took 23 seconds and that is loading over 50k in photo previews.
Premiere Pro 2020 took 14 seconds.

Again, Adobe programs are heavy.

 

[phill]

Doesn't TPU in reviews test how long Adobe takes to load up??..

I always thought that Adobe was just a bit sluggish or just a touch bloated?

 

[heinztvoert]

Doesn't TPU in reviews test how long Adobe takes to load up??..

I always thought that Adobe was just a bit sluggish or just a touch bloated?

Puget Systems usually has benchmarks for different hardware.

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[xrobwx71]

I know this is off topic but:
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You'll be hard-pressed to find excellent customer service nowadays as you'll find at Puget.

Edit: I'm not saying cyberpower is bad nor did I have a bad experience with cyberpower. It's been good as well. Puget was just so over the top excellent, I feel compelled to pass it on.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Maybe invest in an Optane drive for Photoshop?

 

[stevef22]

Thank you very much for sugguestions. I am trying a few things. Will post results.

Thanks Again!

 

[Deleted member 202104]

In no uncertain terms, Photoshop CC is a pig. CS5.1 opens in 3 seconds on hardware pretty much equivalent to yours.

Yeah, I know, apples to oranges.

 

[_UV_]

Doesn't TPU in reviews test how long Adobe takes to load up??..

I always thought that Adobe was just a bit sluggish or just a touch bloated?

It was always like current version on current hardware sluggish to load, but it was always much more superior in image processing speed than any other software.

 

[heinztvoert]

Maybe invest in an Optane drive for Photoshop?

I dont think that will improve it much for the cost..

Thank you very much for sugguestions. I am trying a few things. Will post results.

Thanks Again!

Can always go to Affinity Photo - some like it, others don't. I tried it and it does load faster, and seems to run faster, but I am an old dog and didn't want to go through the learning curve (I can do PS with eyes closed).

On another note, the 15 seconds it takes for it to load is a good time to get a drink and choose a nice playlist as you do your editing.

 

[Athlonite]

PS to Gimp is probably a lower learning curve and gimp does 99.99% of what PS does these days give it a try instead

 

[stevef22]

Thank you for the alternative suggestions