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PSU still containing power after pulling the plug

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Hi, I have a 500W PSU from TBO and I pulled the plug and TOUCHED the plug (metal part) and I got shocked out of nowhere. After I had done that I knew I shouldn't do that again. I tried it again, but with the power button clicked after pulling the plug. And indeed, there was enough power IN THE PSU to keep the pc running for around 80 milliseconds. Is this dangerous?

(By the way, I always press the power button after turning off the pc and pulling the plug)
 
Hi, I have a 500W PSU from TBO and I pulled the plug and TOUCHED the plug (metal part) and I got shocked out of nowhere. After I had done that I knew I shouldn't do that again. I tried it again, but with the power button clicked after pulling the plug. And indeed, there was enough power IN THE PSU to keep the pc running for around 80 milliseconds. Is this dangerous?

(By the way, I always press the power button after turning off the pc and pulling the plug)

Have a look here on the basics of power supplies. There are large capacitors on the main side (input) side of the PSU, these acts as filters but also as a way to stop the PSU from instantly powering down if you loose power for a few milliseconds. So yes, this is as intended. As a general rule don't mess about with freshly turned off power supplies, or any electronics for that matter.
 
They are not dangerous, definitely not enough to kill someone
BTW microwaves are dangerous if you want to know, their capacitors hold extremely high voltages
 
Alright, thanks!
 
Have a look here on the basics of power supplies. There are large capacitors on the main side (input) side of the PSU, these acts as filters but also as a way to stop the PSU from instantly powering down if you loose power for a few milliseconds. So yes, this is as intended. As a general rule don't mess about with freshly turned off power supplies, or any electronics for that matter.

I have very large capacitors that plug into the spare socket on the back of my PSU. They are class as experimental but has been there for the best part of three years. If I unplug it while fully charged turn PSU off, then plug back in the capacitors, it will power-up the computer for about half a second. There's a loud snapping sound every time I do this.

EDIT: This modification should not be copied by any user(s), it's personal to my computers only.
 
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Hi, I have a 500W PSU from TBO and I pulled the plug and TOUCHED the plug (metal part) and I got shocked out of nowhere. After I had done that I knew I shouldn't do that again. I tried it again, but with the power button clicked after pulling the plug. And indeed, there was enough power IN THE PSU to keep the pc running for around 80 milliseconds. Is this dangerous?

(By the way, I always press the power button after turning off the pc and pulling the plug)
The energy that shocked you came from two small filter capacitors, one between line and ground and the other between neutral and ground, probably 4.7 nF each. No way the stored energy from the large capacitor(s) could flow backwards through the bridge rectifier and reach the mains plug.
 
dont forget the rule: always press the power button a few times even after unplugging it
 
dont forget the rule: always press the power button a few times even after unplugging it
I have been doing that for 1 year since it happened and after that there is no power in the PSU anymore.
 
There are some misunderstandings here. But first,
there was enough power IN THE PSU to keep the pc running for around 80 milliseconds. Is this dangerous?
They are not dangerous, definitely not enough to kill someone
I am curious, how did you measure 80ms since that is less than 1/10th of 1 second and pretty darn quick! I note 100ms (1/10th of 1 second), from the human perspective, is "perceived as instantaneous". In other words, unless one has super powers, they typically could not "see" something that happened in less than 100, let alone 80ms - at least not with their eyeballs and "normal" human brain.

joemamo is correct and residual voltages lasting for that short period of time are not dangerous - as long as you are talking about the PSU's "output" voltages - which would (should!) only be a maximum of +12VDC.

However, it is important to remember that anything that plugs into the wall can KILL! So, are PSUs dangerous? Of course! Deadly? Absolutely! It is for this reason that only qualified electronics technicians should ever open up a PSU case. So keep your fingers out of the internals of the PSU for that 80ms and you (and your electronics) will live another day!

Now, with that out of the way,
(By the way, I always press the power button after turning off the pc and pulling the plug)
dont forget the rule: always press the power button a few times even after unplugging it
Sorry, but that is not a rule. It is an old wives tale. A myth - at least when it comes to standard, ATX compliant PCs (laptops are a different issue).

It is, however, like most myths, based on historical truths - in this case, from before 1995.

The background:

When PCs first came about, they were based on the old, obsolete "AT" Form Factor. In 1995, the new (and current) ATX Form Factor standard was adopted. It supplanted and made obsolete the old, antiquated AT standard. One of the major differences between the AT and the current ATX Form Factor is AT power supplies used a "wiring harness", a bunch of power cables hardwired in and running directly from the PSU to the front panel power switch. With AT, the front panel power switch actually powered on and off the PSU. And with the AT PSUs, pressing and holding down the power button did indeed, help ensure any residual voltages in the PSU's filter caps were bled off to safe levels.

That is NOT how it works today.

The ATX Form Factor requires ATX Form Factor PSUs to supply +5Vsb standby voltage to several points on the motherboard at all times whenever the PSU is plugged into the wall (and, if equipped, the master power switch on back is set to on). With ATX power supplies, there is no direct connection to the front panel power switch. That is just a "remote" switch that carries that +5Vsb voltage through it when pressed, directly from the motherboard. Pressing the front panel power button simply signals the motherboard to, in turn, signal the PSU to power up completely and boot the computer. The front panel power switch is, for safely reasons, totally isolated from the power supply. So, pressing and holding that button does nothing, but tire your finger.

But there are still deadly voltages inside today's ATX PSUs. So, today's power supplies have "bleeder" circuits that are specifically designed to rapidly discharge those large capacitors to quickly "decay" any residual voltages to safe levels once power is removed. Again, the front panel power switch is NOT in that circuit, and has no effect on those voltages.

Having said all that - as in all safety features for all electronics, they assume everything is working properly, that there is no physical damage from accidental (or intentional!) abuse, or any manufacturing defects. So even if the PSU has been sitting on the shelf for days and days, DO NOT ASSUME IT IS SAFE. Do not open the case!

I hope that clears up some misconceptions.
 

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There are some misunderstandings here. But first,


I am curious, how did you measure 80ms since that is less than 1/10th of 1 second and pretty darn quick! I note 100ms (1/10th of 1 second), from the human perspective, is "perceived as instantaneous". In other words, unless one has super powers, they typically could not "see" something that happened in less than 100, let alone 80ms - at least not with their eyeballs and "normal" human brain.

joemamo is correct and residual voltages lasting for that short period of time are not dangerous - as long as you are talking about the PSU's "output" voltages - which would (should!) only be a maximum of +12VDC.

However, it is important to remember that anything that plugs into the wall can KILL! So, are PSUs dangerous? Of course! Deadly? Absolutely! It is for this reason that only qualified electronics technicians should ever open up a PSU case. So keep your fingers out of the internals of the PSU for that 80ms and you (and your electronics) will live another day!

Now, with that out of the way,


Sorry, but that is not a rule. It is an old wives tale. A myth - at least when it comes to standard, ATX compliant PCs (laptops are a different issue).

It is, however, like most myths, based on historical truths - in this case, from before 1995.

The background:

When PCs first came about, they were based on the old, obsolete "AT" Form Factor. In 1995, the new (and current) ATX Form Factor standard was adopted. It supplanted and made obsolete the old, antiquated AT standard. One of the major differences between the AT and the current ATX Form Factor is AT power supplies used a "wiring harness", a bunch of power cables hardwired in and running directly from the PSU to the front panel power switch. With AT, the front panel power switch actually powered on and off the PSU. And with the AT PSUs, pressing and holding down the power button did indeed, help ensure any residual voltages in the PSU's filter caps were bled off to safe levels.

That is NOT how it works today.

The ATX Form Factor requires ATX Form Factor PSUs to supply +5Vsb standby voltage to several points on the motherboard at all times whenever the PSU is plugged into the wall (and, if equipped, the master power switch on back is set to on). With ATX power supplies, there is no direct connection to the front panel power switch. That is just a "remote" switch that carries that +5Vsb voltage through it when pressed, directly from the motherboard. Pressing the front panel power button simply signals the motherboard to, in turn, signal the PSU to power up completely and boot the computer. The front panel power switch is, for safely reasons, totally isolated from the power supply. So, pressing and holding that button does nothing, but tire your finger.

But there are still deadly voltages inside today's ATX PSUs. So, today's power supplies have "bleeder" circuits that are specifically designed to rapidly discharge those large capacitors to quickly "decay" any residual voltages to safe levels once power is removed. Again, the front panel power switch is NOT in that circuit, and has no effect on those voltages.

Having said all that - as in all safety features for all electronics, they assume everything is working properly, that there is no physical damage from accidental (or intentional!) abuse, or any manufacturing defects. So even if the PSU has been sitting on the shelf for days and days, DO NOT ASSUME IT IS SAFE. Do not open the case!

I hope that clears up some misconceptions.
Around 80ms, not exactly of course. And no, I would never open up a PSU without any expert near me! It was only the power plug that has done it.
 
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