Question about 3600C16

[HabibiLan]

As you guys know their are lots of 3600C16 timings, my question is: Won't 3600 16 19 19 39 be same performance as 3600 16 16 16 36 if they are both at the same speed regardless of b.die? Obv the b.die 3600C16 will OC better but if strictly XMP, its same performance right?

By performance I am really talking about avg fps, frametimes, % lows, etc...

I don't know why I am under impression that b.die ram has better frametimes and % lows which makes games more smooth. I would understand this because b.die can OC better so you can get some tighter timings or higher speed which in theory should boost fps,lows, frametimes in CPU bound situations but if we are talking about b.die vs non b.die running same speed especially 3600C16 (19 19 19 39) vs 3600C16 (16 16 16 36)

 

[tabascosauz]

As you guys know their are lots of 3600C16 timings, my question is: Won't 3600 16 19 19 39 be same performance as 3600 16 16 16 36 if they are both at the same speed regardless of b.die? Obv the b.die 3600C16 will OC better but if strictly XMP, its same performance right?

By performance I am really talking about avg fps, frametimes, % lows, etc...

I don't know why I am under impression that b.die ram has better frametimes and % lows which makes games more smooth. I would understand this because b.die can OC better so you can get some tighter timings or higher speed which in theory should boost fps,lows, frametimes in CPU bound situations but if we are talking about b.die vs non b.die running same speed especially 3600C16 (19 19 19 39) vs 3600C16 (16 16 16 36)

Are they the same gaming performance? Yes.

I'm not sure who told you that 3600 16-19-19-39 outperforms 3600 16-16-16-36 in 1% lows, which "makes games more smooth". If you have pits in your frame consistency in-game on 3600 16-19-19-39, you have other problems to be worrying about. This ain't it.

This isn't like comparing 3600 16-16-16-36 to JEDEC. If you're looking for game gains, look elsewhere.

Now, if you're all about the OC numbers and AIDA e-peen, then B-die still doesn't have any real competition. DJR and Rev.E just can't match B-die on tRCD and tRFC, and they just don't eat up voltage like good B-die does. Whether DJR and Rev.E can match or slightly exceed B-die in actual performance with looser timings, is a different debate altogether.

 

[HabibiLan]

No1 told me 3600 16-19-19-39 outperforms 3600 16-16-16-36 in games.

I just remember someone stating that b.die has better frametimes and % lows. But I can't remember what speed the b.die was being mentioned was at

 

[tabascosauz]

No1 told me 3600 16-19-19-39 outperforms 3600 16-16-16-36 in games.

I just remember someone stating that b.die has better frametimes and % lows. But I can't remember what speed the b.die was being mentioned was at

Didn't you just limit this evaluation of "performance" to that of games only? If better 1% lows doesn't account for better "performance" according to your statement, what does it entail? Better temperatures? lmao

I can tell you right now that 3600 16-19-19-39 against 3600 16-16-16-36 isn't going to result in any appreciable advantage in frame consistency for the latter, chief. Not unless you intentionally decouple FCLK:MCLK or turn off Hyperthreading to cripple the 16-19-19-39 system. And if both are running @ 3600 16-18-18-38, for example, the B-die kit isn't going to be inherently better just because it's B-die.

 

[HabibiLan]

Yes by performance I am talking only games as in avg fps, % lows, frametimes.

I don't think you read my original post, I never mentioned that 3600 16-19-19-39 outperforms 3600 16-16-16-36 in games... Reread my post and quote me where I said this, I think you misread what I wrote.

I said wouldn't 3600 16-19-19-39 and 3600 16-16-16-36 be same performance (again % lows, frametimes, avg fps) as long as they are both running same speed? Because they are both Cl16. I never said wouldn't 3600 16-19-19-19-39 outperform 3600 16-16-16-36 da faq?

 

[tabascosauz]

I don't know why I am under impression that b.die ram has better frametimes and % lows which makes games more smooth.

Yes by performance I am talking only games as in avg fps, % lows, frametimes.
I don't think you read my original post, I never mentioned that 3600 16-19-19-39 outperforms 3600 16-16-16-36 in games... Reread my post and quote me where I said this, I think you misread what I wrote.

Said "impression" would most likely come from having read a similar statement in the past, wouldn't it? Please don't play the "learn to read my post" card if you haven't re-read your own post.

Again, "making games more smooth" would entail better performance in-game, wouldn't it?

I think you already know the answer to the question you posed. Is there any unforeseen technicality that would prevent "no, it doesn't have a practical advantage in games" from being the definitive answer you seek?

 

[HabibiLan]

Yes and by b.die I am talking about 3600 16-16-16-36 but you keep saying I said 3600 16-19-19-19-39 outperforms b.die 3600 wtf?

 

[tabascosauz]

Yes and by b.die I am talking about 3600 16-16-16-36 but you keep saying I said 3600 16-19-19-19-39 outperforms b.die 3600 wtf?

I made a typo by switching the two around in one of my sentences. However, the context in every other part of the last 2 posts would seek to suggest that we are in fact talking about the same thing, and that the answer remains "b-die isn't better because it's b-die, the two are practically identical in game performance".

Why are you putting a magnifying glass over a singular typo and ignoring the rest of what I have been saying? I haven't been repeatedly making an obviously incorrect assertion, like you seem to suggest.

 

[HabibiLan]

Well cos when I correct you, you go back to the typo and it keeps throwing me off.

My simple question was:

If I have 3600 16-16-16-36 and 3600 16-19-19-39 would they perform the same in game? (assuming both running XMP no OC applied)

 

[tabascosauz]

The typo in question, where the context of the rest of the sentence is quite self-explanatory and makes the typo quite apparent as being a typo:

I'm not sure who told you that 3600 16-19-19-39 outperforms 3600 16-16-16-36 in 1% lows, which "makes games more smooth". If you have pits in your frame consistency in-game on 3600 16-19-19-39, you have other problems to be worrying about.

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Are they the same gaming performance? Yes.

I can tell you right now that 3600 16-19-19-39 against 3600 16-16-16-36 isn't going to result in any appreciable advantage in frame consistency for the latter, chief.

"b-die isn't better because it's b-die, the two are practically identical in game performance".

I have erred just once, and reiterated the [correct] conclusion three times. Do we require any further clarification of the above statement?

 

[HabibiLan]

Well this was fun, have a good night mate LOL