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Hello, Ive never had an NVMe SSD. Do I need to know anything before buying, besides the PCIe version? I'm planning on buying a WD Black SN770. Is this a good option for my motherboard, which is a B450M DS3H? Or should I go for the Blue SN570 instead, since my motherboard is PCIe Gen3?
Im open to more recomendations!

Thanks!
 
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i currently have this very same mobo, with r9 3900 and f41 bios, pcie 4.0 up and running (main gpu slot + m2 slot). If you have a more recent bios then you are limited to pcie 3.0 and yeah, both sn770 and 570 are dramless plus you are bandwidth capped so pick whichever is cheaper.
 
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Hello, Ive never had an NVMe SSD. Do I need to know anything before buying, besides the PCIe version? I'm planning on buying a WD Black SN770. Is this a good option for my motherboard, which is a B450M DS3H? Or should I go for the Blue SN570 instead, since my motherboard is PCIe Gen3?
Im open to more recomendations!

Thanks!
hello there. you won't benefit from pcie 4.0 ssd, but, you will definitely benefit from wd sn770 over sn570. I have currently sn770 1 tb in my laptop and it's running in 3.0 mode but it's hella faster than previous kingston kc2500 which was 3.0 natively. highly recommend.
 
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i currently have this very same mobo, with r9 3900 and f41 bios, pcie 4.0 up and running (main gpu slot + m2 slot). If you have a more recent bios then you are limited to pcie 3.0 and yeah, both sn770 and 570 are dramless plus you are bandwidth capped so pick whichever is cheaper.
whats the matter with the slots? i have an rx6600xt also, do i need to move it down or something?
 
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whats the matter with the slots? i have an rx6600xt also, do i need to move it down or something?
No (but temporarily removing your GPU during the install process might make it easier for you to screw in the tiny m2 screw), your board's m2 slot is above the GPU's pcie slot. Just slot the m2 drive in and screw it down.
 
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Hello, Ive never had an NVMe SSD. Do I need to know anything before buying, besides the PCIe version?
Honestly, you don't even need to worry about the PCIe version, unless you use your PC for workstation tasks that actually benefit from the higher sequential bandwidth.

General PC usage and gaming don't actually benefit to any significant degree from SSDs with higher sequential bandwidth. By far the most important thing is to maximise IOPS and random read speed, which will not be significantly affected by the PCIe version that your motherboard supports.

Plenty of low-end PCIe 4.0 SSDs (e.g. Kingston NV2) don't even exceed the maximum bandwidth of PCIe 3.0, so there is literally no difference in performance when you install them in a B450M motherboard compared to when you install them in a motherboard that supports PCIe 4.0 or 5.0.

I have a B450 motherboard, and my next SSD will be a Netac NV7000, because it provides the highest random read performance and IOPS (i.e. the performance metrics that actually matter for gamers and general usage) for its price. I don't care that I won't be able to get the full bandwidth; I wouldn't use the bandwidth anyway.

I don't care about THIS. The fact that my ideal SSD beats every other SSD in the benchmark is simply irrelevant to me. I won't get this much bandwidth because my motherboard doesn't support PCIe 4.0, but I don't need this much bandwidth anyway, because I'm a gamer, not a video editor or other workstation user who would actually benefit from more sequential bandwidth.
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I do care about THIS. The NV7000 is cheaper than the KC3000, and random R/W performance will not be limited by PCIe version, it will be limited by the controller on the SSD.
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Games which use directstorage do benefit somewhat from the higher bandwidth, but these are currently the exception, not the rule (at the time of writing, only 5 reasonably popular games support it); and it's normally not worth spending the money and effort to replace your motherboard in order to get slightly better performance in this handful of games. It will become more useful in the future, but I expect that by the time being limited to PCIe 3.0 makes a significant difference in the majority of games or general PC usage, any AM4 CPU will be too weak to be relevant anyway (similar to what the PCIe 2.0 limitation did for Intel 2nd generation Core CPUs: basically nothing, even though the generation had exceptional CPU performance and remained relevant for more than 5 years).

PCIe version matters for graphics cards with gimped PCIe buses (e.g. RTX 4060 Ti, RX 6500 XT), and for workstation users who really need a ton of bandwidth, but is otherwise unimportant.
 
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Honestly, you don't even need to worry about the PCIe version, unless you use your PC for workstation tasks that actually benefit from the higher sequential bandwidth.

General PC usage and gaming don't actually benefit to any significant degree from SSDs with higher sequential bandwidth. By far the most important thing is to maximise IOPS and random read speed, which will not be significantly affected by the PCIe version that your motherboard supports.

Plenty of low-end PCIe 4.0 SSDs (e.g. Kingston NV2) don't even exceed the maximum bandwidth of PCIe 3.0, so there is literally no difference in performance when you install them in a B450M motherboard compared to when you install them in a motherboard that supports PCIe 4.0 or 5.0.

I have a B450 motherboard, and my next SSD will be a Netac NV7000, because it provides the highest random read performance and IOPS (i.e. the performance metrics that actually matter for gamers and general usage) for its price. I don't care that I won't be able to get the full bandwidth; I wouldn't use the bandwidth anyway.

I don't care about THIS. The fact that my ideal SSD beats every other SSD in the benchmark is simply irrelevant to me. I won't get this much bandwidth because my motherboard doesn't support PCIe 4.0, but I don't need this much bandwidth anyway, because I'm a gamer, not a video editor or other workstation user who would actually benefit from more sequential bandwidth.
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I do care about THIS. The NV7000 is cheaper than the KC3000, and random R/W performance will not be limited by PCIe version, it will be limited by the controller on the SSD.
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Games which use directstorage do benefit somewhat from the higher bandwidth, but these are currently the exception, not the rule (at the time of writing, only 5 reasonably popular games support it); and it's normally not worth spending the money and effort to replace your motherboard in order to get slightly better performance in this handful of games. It will become more useful in the future, but I expect that by the time being limited to PCIe 3.0 makes a significant difference in the majority of games or general PC usage, any AM4 CPU will be too weak to be relevant anyway (similar to what the PCIe 2.0 limitation did for Intel 2nd generation Core CPUs: basically nothing, even though the generation had exceptional CPU performance and remained relevant for more than 5 years).

PCIe version matters for graphics cards with gimped PCIe buses (e.g. RTX 4060 Ti, RX 6500 XT), and for workstation users who really need a ton of bandwidth, but is otherwise unimportant.
Thanks for aswering man!
Honestly the only reason why im buying a new ssd is because with my current ssd ( crucial bx500) my pc is literally non-functional every time I install a game, all can do is wait for it to finish the installation.
 
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The NM790 ssd is the best value right now, if i were you I would seriously consider it
Netac NV7000-T (the DRAMless version of the Netac NV7000) is physically identical to the NM790 (same Maxio MAP1602 controller, same YMTC 232-Layer 3D TLC NAND, same performance in Techpowerup's benchmarks), and is sometimes cheaper, so is also worth considering. You can buy them directly from the manufacturer via Aliexpress, which has slow shipping but very good prices - 4TB for £165.

The standard NV7000 with DRAM cache is more expensive, but performs better in mixed workloads.

Honestly the only reason why im buying a new ssd is because with my current ssd ( crucial bx500) my pc is literally non-functional every time I install a game, all can do is wait for it to finish the installation.
For that use-case, definitely don't get the SN570. An NM790 or NV7000-t is easily the best choice for around the same price. The Copy/Read benchmark benefits a lot from high sequential bandwidth, so you won't get quite as much performance as shown here, but it would at least be faster than the SN570. I'm not sure what could have gone wrong with the SN570 in the steam install benchmark, but other similar benchmarks also show the SN570 performing poorly (just not normally that poorly).

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Netac NV7000-T (the DRAMless version of the Netac NV7000) is physically identical to the NM790 (same Maxio MAP1602 controller, same YMTC 232-Layer 3D TLC NAND, same performance in Techpowerup's benchmarks), and is sometimes cheaper, so is also worth considering. You can buy them directly from the manufacturer via Aliexpress, which has slow shipping but very good prices - 4TB for £165.

The standard NV7000 with DRAM cache is more expensive, but performs better in mixed workloads.


For that use-case, definitely don't get the SN570. An NM790 or NV7000-t is easily the best choice for around the same price. The Copy/Read benchmark benefits a lot from high sequential bandwidth, so you won't get quite as much performance as shown here, but it would at least be faster than the SN570. I'm not sure what could have gone wrong with the SN570 in the steam install benchmark, but other similar benchmarks also show the SN570 performing poorly (just not normally that poorly).

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Thanks man, im definitely going for the NM790 or NV7000-t
 
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The Teamgroup MP44, and some versions of the Silicon Power UD90, also use the same controller and NAND as the NV7000-t and NM790. It seems that the combination is very popular, though it makes sense, considering the performance and price.
Techpowerup's SSD spec pages have a handy "same drive" list https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/netac-nv7000-t-2-tb.d1509 showing other SSDs that use the same components.
 
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