The serious GAP in GPU price/performance

[Athlonite]

Is that really that bad? USD MSRPs have no tax, NZ has 15% GST, and according to DuckDuckGo 1 USD = 1.62 NZD. So for a US$1200 2080 Ti, that becomes 2235 NZD. Worst case scenario there's a 7% markup. The 1650 Super is definitely worse off though (159 * 1,15 * 1,62 = 296), but the markup is still not terrible at 18%. For comparison, in Norway the cheapest 1650S I can find is NOK 2179 including 25% VAT. 1 USD = 9,73 NOK, so 159 * 1,25 * 9,73 = 1934, so there's a 12,6% markup there - not too different from NZ.

If I were to import that 2080Ti for 2235NZD I still face being charged Duty on top of that price aswell not just GST and nothing here sells at MSRP retailers often have markups ranging from $100~500NZD leading to prices ranging from $1999.99 upto $$2499.99

 

[Valantar]

If I were to import that 2080Ti for 2235NZD I still face being charged Duty on top of that price aswell not just GST and nothing here sells at MSRP retailers often have markups ranging from $100~500NZD leading to prices ranging from $1999.99 upto $$2499.99

If there are import duties on electronics in addition to GST, that would likely explain the slightly elevated pricing. AFAIK not many countries have that. Though with that said, that makes that 2080Ti price that was quoted a downright bargain - there can't be much margin left for the retailer there.

 

[Athlonite]

If there are import duties on electronics in addition to GST, that would likely explain the slightly elevated pricing. AFAIK not many countries have that. Though with that said, that makes that 2080Ti price that was quoted a downright bargain - there can't be much margin left for the retailer there.

yeah govt got sucked in by NZ businesses on that one they all complained oh woe is us everyone's buy cheaper shit overseas and we can't compete please drop the amount to nothing on the value of imported products and charge everyone duty so it makes it fairer for us instead of us having to drop our prices to compete blah blah blah feckin sooks the lot of them

 

[Valantar]

yeah govt got sucked in by NZ businesses on that one they all complained oh woe is us everyone's buy cheaper shit overseas and we can't compete please drop the amount to nothing on the value of imported products and charge everyone duty so it makes it fairer for us instead of us having to drop our prices to compete blah blah blah feckin sooks the lot of them

I guess it's understandable to a certianl point - NZ isn't exactly a low cost country, and there are several of those not too far away, so I can imagine importing cheaply would be relatively easy if there weren't duties or taxes added, which would likely be impossible to match properly for local sellers. Still, that sounds like a weird system. In Norway there aren't any import duties, but you do get charged VAT + a processing fee, so with that in mind ordering domestically is typically cheaper still (shipping companies charge exorbitant fees for customs handling, often equivalent of US$15-20). There used to be a low price cut-off where you didn't have to pay VAT for anything costing less than NOK 350 (about US$35) including shipping, which has allowed me to at times buy silly amounts of small things from Aliexpress, but that got removed this year - instead there's supposed to be an online VAT payment system that makes this easier and skips the processing fees, but that isn't projected to arrive until the EU implements its matching system, which is 2021 at the earliest.

 

[Caring1]

yeah govt got sucked in by NZ businesses on that one they all complained oh woe is us everyone's buy cheaper shit overseas and we can't compete please drop the amount to nothing on the value of imported products and charge everyone duty so it makes it fairer for us instead of us having to drop our prices to compete blah blah blah feckin sooks the lot of them

Same happened in Australia, we used to be able to buy up to $1,000AU value and import with no duty payable, then they figured they could make money of us too.

 

[Chrispy_]

So Renoir will kill off the Geforce MX line and the 1650, raising the cutoff at which a dGPU is even worth looking at. Tiger Lake will eventually do the same.
Currently the RX560 is still in production and likewise so is the 1050 from Nivida.

I believe the reason neither company makes anything worse any more is because it's cheaper for them to just re-use lower-midrange cards from last gen than it is to develop something new, but also low-end. The fact that retailers still have preorders and "coming soon" for older RX500 and Geforce 10-series cards means that this is the official solution that AMD and Nvidia are taking.

 

[Athlonite]

I guess it's understandable to a certianl point - NZ isn't exactly a low cost country, and there are several of those not too far away, so I can imagine importing cheaply would be relatively easy if there weren't duties or taxes added, which would likely be impossible to match properly for local sellers. Still, that sounds like a weird system. In Norway there aren't any import duties, but you do get charged VAT + a processing fee, so with that in mind ordering domestically is typically cheaper still (shipping companies charge exorbitant fees for customs handling, often equivalent of US$15-20). There used to be a low price cut-off where you didn't have to pay VAT for anything costing less than NOK 350 (about US$35) including shipping, which has allowed me to at times buy silly amounts of small things from Aliexpress, but that got removed this year - instead there's supposed to be an online VAT payment system that makes this easier and skips the processing fees, but that isn't projected to arrive until the EU implements its matching system, which is 2021 at the earliest.

yeah it was $80NZD here for GST cut off anything over that an bam that'll be 15% please and thank you but not anymore and $400 was the non duty paying limit but now we get stung for both for anything over $60NZD

 

[tussinman]

Uhh, 7870XT launched at $334. Comparing it to cards that cost less than half that makes no sense. I have no idea why you're citing it as being a $135 card, it was not released at anywhere near that price.

Literally nothing in my quote was wrong. That's how much the card cost fall of 2013. I made absolutely no reference to release price (if i did I would of said 2012, not 2013).

Both our points where that sub $150 market has been so pathetic this generation that priced dropped 7870xt, 7950, 470, and 570 are the only things this generation that have even remotely resembled value (GT 1030, GTX 1050 non Ti, GTX 750, GTX 950, RX460/560 have been absolutely pathetic)

That said, it's not 10% cheaper. 1060 launched at $250. 5500 XT is $169 or $199 depending on the version of it. That's a 20% or 30-40% discount, not 10%.

My post was literally referring to what it cost at brick n mortar. This isn't an opinion I literally went into a store and that's what it cost. Even a 15% drop in 4 years is pretty medicore to be honest, especially since it's not even more power efficent (clear cut example TC is making of a stagnant market)