Very Tiny Bug Between Display Sheets

[Stephen.]

Stranger than fiction, there is a very tiny bug between display sheets. I thought it's on top of the display but waaaaaa or I'm going
It appears to be inside; this is not those strange wall papers / screen savers because I have just turned on my display and on one of windows default desktops.
I thought it was a dead pixel, but it was moving so I recorded it.
What do you all make of this, your thoughts are welcome

Video link

 

[64K]

I have heard of this before but never seen it. I have no idea how the critter got in there. Can you put up the video or pic of it? I'm curious.

 

[Stephen.]

I have heard of this before but never seen it. I have no idea how the critter got in there. Can you put up the video or pic of it? I'm curious.

I'm trying to embed video i have just uploaded it on reddit

I managed to upload it on vimeo, I have embedded a link.

Anyone with thoughts on this? is it common?

 

[Ware]

I had a TV get a tiny ant in it. It eventually died in place where I could see it, and I couldn't get rid of it.
I tried a couple things I read about, but what worked for me was putting an electric toothbrush against the screen.
The vibrations let me move the dead ant around get it out of sight.

 

[Waldorf]

enough areas where stuff can get in, even if its just vent openings.
saw this a few years back at work, when i moved things around.
real bug

 

[Ferrum Master]

Pretty often. That's the difference between good and bad maker. Gaskets, tapes, isolation. You panel corners are exposed, not properly sealed, shit gets into it. Planned obsolesce.

 

[Caring1]

I've still got the remains of a tiny dead spider in my monitor.
Well it was alive until I tried to get it off the screen, then realised it was inside and now flat.

 

[Stephen.]

Pretty often. That's the difference between good and bad maker. Gaskets, tapes, isolation. You panel corners are exposed, not properly sealed, shit gets into it. Planned obsolesce.

Especially with these thin frame screens, there is a slit opening on 3 sides or sometimes on all 4 sides depending on design choice.

Phew ... it wondered off and went to the top right corner one of the dark frame areas and disappeared, I hope it got out. I haven't seen it for hours now.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I've still got the remains of a tiny dead spider in my monitor.
Well it was alive until I tried to get it off the screen, then realised it was inside and now flat.

Maybe you can RMA it can claim it was a dead pixel?

 

[Ferrum Master]

Maybe you can RMA it can claim it was a dead pixel?

Dirt particles in between panel layers is a better claim, as it has to be repaired. Dead pixels are under policies, for how many of them are there... but dust, this time fauna intrusion is not.

 

[Bill_Bright]

That's the difference between good and bad maker. Planned obsolesce.

Nah and nah!

I've seen this several times and heard about it many more times - on low-end and high-end monitors and TVs, from name and no-name brands too.

Waldorf is correct, there are many places where a tiny bug can get in.

Tiny gnats and "noseeums" (midges) are often attracted to light and heat sources. Some are so small, they can easily crawl through the tiny mesh of many window screens. While it certainly is possible a manufacturing defect created a faulty seal, or failed to create a good seal, many monitors by design have small gaps used for ventilation.

I have heard of one case where this was resolved by turning off the monitor and other lights in the room. Then the user shined a bright light down onto the top edge over ventilation holes - I don't know for how long. Could have been all night or longer. But it worked. I am not sure if the bug crawled out of the monitor, or just to an edge under the bezel and died there. Either way, it was no longer visible. Of course, this requires the bug to still be alive and strong enough to crawl. Perhaps a bit of raw hamburger meat or dog poop by the light will help entice it out too!

The electric tooth brush trick to set up vibrations (I assume to simulate a predator coming) is intriguing. But how would one know which way to entice the intruder to run to? Hmmm.

I heard of another case where the user made the mistake of pressing on the screen where the bug was, assuming it was on the outside surface of the screen and he would just smash it and clean it away. He smashed it alright, making a permanent and even bigger inaccessible spot appear.

Maybe you can RMA it can claim it was a dead pixel?

Dirt particles in between panel layers is a better claim

Well, dirt particles and dead pixels don't crawl around. If the bug managed to crawl (or be shaken during transport) out of sight before it could be tested by the warranty repair center, they likely will charge you for shipping both ways (instead of just one), and maybe even charge an additional "no trouble found" testing or restocking fee. This could make a RMA return an expensive course of action.

Then of course, it is "fraud" to attempt a free repair or replacement by falsely claiming it is dirt or a dead pixel when you know it is really a tiny critter.

@Stephen. - You may just need to change all your apps to "Dark mode" and [hopefully] learn to ignore it when a white image/background appears. With a bit of luck, it will die soon and as it dries out, it will shrink enough so you can shake and perhaps gently tap the monitor in the hopes gravity will pull the bug down and out of sight behind the bottom bezel.

Regardless, please keep us posted.

 

[eidairaman1]

I'm trying to embed video i have just uploaded it on reddit

I managed to upload it on vimeo, I have embedded a link.

Anyone with thoughts on this? is it common?

Must have delicate hands when opening panels, and esd precautions

Nah and nah!

I've seen this several times and heard about it many more times - on low-end and high-end monitors and TVs, from name and no-name brands too.

Waldorf is correct, there are many places where a tiny bug can get in.

Tiny gnats and "noseeums" (midges) are often attracted to light and heat sources. Some are so small, they can easily crawl through the tiny mesh of many window screens. While it certainly is possible a manufacturing defect created a faulty seal, or failed to create a good seal, many monitors by design have small gaps used for ventilation.

I have heard of one case where this was resolved by turning off the monitor and other lights in the room. Then the user shined a bright light down onto the top edge over ventilation holes - I don't know for how long. Could have been all night or longer. But it worked. I am not sure if the bug crawled out of the monitor, or just to an edge under the bezel and died there. Either way, it was no longer visible. Of course, this requires the bug to still be alive and strong enough to crawl. Perhaps a bit of raw hamburger meat or dog poop by the light will help entice it out too!

The electric tooth brush trick to set up vibrations (I assume to simulate a predator coming) is intriguing. But how would one know which way to entice the intruder to run to? Hmmm.

I heard of another case where the user made the mistake of pressing on the screen where the bug was, assuming it was on the outside surface of the screen and he would just smash it and clean it away. He smashed it alright, making a permanent and even bigger inaccessible spot appear.


Well, dirt particles and dead pixels don't crawl around. If the bug managed to crawl (or be shaken during transport) out of sight before it could be tested by the warranty repair center, they likely will charge you for shipping both ways (instead of just one), and maybe even charge an additional "no trouble found" testing or restocking fee. This could make a RMA return an expensive course of action.

Then of course, it is "fraud" to attempt a free repair or replacement by falsely claiming it is dirt or a dead pixel when you know it is really a tiny critter.

@Stephen. - You may just need to change all your apps to "Dark mode" and [hopefully] learn to ignore it when a white image/background appears. With a bit of luck, it will die soon and as it dries out, it will shrink enough so you can shake and perhaps gently tap the monitor in the hopes gravity will pull the bug down and out of sight behind the bottom bezel.

Regardless, please keep us posted.

Should just leave it alone, either it will find it's way out or die

 

[Stephen.]

Perhaps a bit of raw hamburger meat or dog poop by the light will help entice it out too!

@Stephen. - You may just need to change all your apps to "Dark mode" and [hopefully] learn to ignore it when a white image/background appears. With a bit of luck, it will die soon and as it dries out, it will shrink enough so you can shake and perhaps gently tap the monitor in the hopes gravity will pull the bug down and out of sight behind the bottom bezel.

Regardless, please keep us posted.

I haven't seen it for many hours now, last seen going towards the top left corner ... maybe it smelled hamburger and got out

Should just leave it alone, either it will find it's way out or die

I guess it found a way out ...

Must have delicate hands when opening panels, and esd precautions

I do

 

[Noci]

With me it would for sure trigger a yet unknown latently present irritating bug syndrome, loosing all rationality .
Even if I had to chase it all day long, just a matter of time before I would whack it with a baseball bat..... .

Then I would repeat Paul Bremer's famous words: Ladies and gentleman we've got him . (no political intentions here!)

But joking aside, I thougt the advise from eidairaman1 is the best thing to do then hope it leaves or if it dies in there it is on a place where you cannot see it.
Meanwhile when typing this you already said it abandoned ship.....

 

[Stephen.]

Meanwhile when typing this you already said it abandoned ship.....

It did abandon ship so far; I hope it doesn't come back with relatives and friends.

 

[eidairaman1]

It did abandon ship so far; I hope it doesn't come back with relatives and friends.

Yup electronics get hot so you cant just seal any ventilation ports.

 

[Kapone33]

I was watching a Northwesth Repair video and he had a bug in between the backplate and PCB on a 4080.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Should just leave it alone, either it will find it's way out or die

Especially since it seems to, at least for now, moved out of view.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Then of course, it is "fraud" to attempt a free repair or replacement by falsely claiming it is dirt or a dead pixel when you know it is really a tiny critter.

Are you OK? Client is not a zoo or forensic expert deciding what it is, he claims about what he sees. And it should never be vice versa. You cannot accuse a consumer not knowing specifics as for most of time they have educational basis to make a precise claim. Basically they can write there is a spider on my screen, yet it is actually a cracked screen and no you cannot accuse them nor afterwards bill them for shipping costs, those are always covered by the manufacturer, it is included in the contract with the service location, if in some place happens otherwise, you are being scammed.

Dust intrusion in between layers is a common problem for LCD, panels to have a bug or ant also in between layers is not a rare sight also, it is all cutting corners on materials.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Are you OK? Client is not a zoo or forensic expert deciding what it is, he claims about what he sees.

Huh? I'm fine. Are you? Even a 3 year old doesn't need to be a zoo or forensic expert to know object crawling around is a bug.

YOU are the one who said,

Dirt particles in between panel layers is a better claim

That is YOU telling the OP to claim there is dirt in there. That is YOU suggesting the OP lie for personal gains. That is fraud.

he claims about what he sees.

Right. And he has clearly stated he sees a bug, an insect. Not dirt. Not a dead pixel. A bug. A living bug crawling around, no less. But YOU suggested he lie about what he saw.

So don't pretend to act almighty and righteous when it is YOU, Ferrum Master, who suggested the OP not be truthful and say it was dirt particles and not a bug.

You cannot accuse a consumer not knowing specifics

I didn't accuse anyone of anything - especially not the OP.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Huh? I'm fine.

Bill do you work at RMA service now? Do you deal with clients now? Are you factory approved service technician, gone through trainings and dealing with CID and consumer claims and dealing with legal issues about warranty repairs? No... but I am. People can claim what they want and we don't need to prove or guess something, you can tell what you wish, the most important fact is - this a faulty good in need of repair.

I was actually suggesting a more precise fault claim, as dead pixels are different kind of defects covered by different rules, this is foreign object in your panel, basically dirt, it does not matter if it has a head and hairy legs.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Bill do you work at RMA service now? Do you deal with clients now? Are you factory approved service technician, gone through trainings and dealing with CID and consumer claims and dealing with legal issues about warranty repairs?

Today, no. In the past, yes. Am I a factory approved service technician on monitors? But I am manufacturer trained on several emergency services radio communications systems used for fire, police, ambulance and 911 services. I am also formally trained to maintain and service air traffic control radio and aircraft instrument landing/navigational aids system. And I did warrant work for several others.

None of my credentials, nor yours matter. You are simply trying to justify your advice to the OP to claim something he knew not to be the truth. You can't.

I was actually suggesting a more precise fault claim

Now you are being even more dishonest - digging yourself into a deeper hole.

EVERYONE HERE can see what you said. Why are you trying to now suggest otherwise. It really is making you look bad.

The OP knew it was a bug. The first suggestion was to claim it was a dead pixel. You then clear claim in advising the OP claim it was dirt. That is NOT in any way more precise. So stop trying to pretend otherwise. We can see what you said.

Now let's be clear about something else. All I said was it is fraud to attempt to get something free by claiming something known to not be true. I even included a link. I did not accuse the OP or fraud. Nor did I say he should or should not do it. I simply informed the OP and those reading of the facts so they could make an informed decision.

It was and is YOU who is persisting with this huge protest in your attempt to rationalize not telling the truth. And I find it very interesting and telling how much one doth protest so much.

foreign object in your panel, basically dirt

"Foreign object"? Yes. "Basically dirt"? Nonsense. It is not an unknown object. Its a bug. And not dirt.

Time to move on. The OP's problem appeared to have crawled away. Something I am not aware dirt can do.

 

[Vya Domus]

Pretty often. That's the difference between good and bad maker. Gaskets, tapes, isolation. You panel corners are exposed, not properly sealed, shit gets into it. Planned obsolesce.

It doesn't really have anything to do with those things, it's just a matter of whether or not the display is laminated.

 

[Sithaer]

This also happened to my current monitor and also to my brother's ultrawide. 'both LG but mine is a newer model'
In my case it was a fruit fly since we have those in our house often and it managed to get inside my monitor at the bottom cut outs/vents.

When I've noticed it I wasn't sure what I'm looking at but then I've figured it out. 'it did die inside the monitor but luckily its not at a visible spot anymore'

 

[Dr. Dro]

I've seen this before. Had a monitor way back that suffered from this problem, I could never remove it. Eventually it completely decomposed and some of the light went through it, but.... it was never 100% again